Vs Hayne, I mean Titans rd22

[Meth]

yep, about f**king time though

Just as he's leaving

 

[SpaceMonkey]

probably more useful to the team in the few minutes he was on, than Tui was for the whole game. Things need to change at the back before long. Don;t really see a place for Tui in the squad at all to be honest. Apart from his gun run in Golden Point against the cellar dweller Roosters against tiring defence, what has he done this year to justify his place in a top 8 NRL team? Maybe you could get away with his ineptitude over the whole season if you were the Knights but dont we have higher aspirations? He's an absolute weak link. At least Maumolo serves a purpose with his metre eating and starting the sets..(and he can actually hurt people. Ask Hoffman)

Harsh man, he's had some good moments even in his patchy games, yesterday he earned us repeat sets with good kicks, both times when SJ had been pressured on the last and the had to scramble the ball back to Tui as a secondary playmaker.
If he's at 6 next year it could be a good thing as it largely nullifies one of his weaknesses, getting targeted by kicks at the back.
As for Maumalo, we know what we're getting there, limited skill set but great workrate and enthusiasm and a lot of metres.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

hmmm, Leuluai is playing so well at 6 lately.

Yep. Few weeks, back I really didnt care if he got benched for Tui but lately HE has been our hitman would you believe and good in attack too.

He goes in really nice on 90% of his tackles.

Also, I cant remember to many errors from his game lately. Hes been tidy.

 

[vvvrulz]

Leuluai has peaked his running game and found a decent passing combination along with that mean shoulder.

He still doesn't have a kicking game and will always throw a howler somewhere, but for being a second foil to Johnson and whoever is at 9, and with the lack of a better option, it's good enough. Tui might be a better attacking half (maybe) but some of that defense and concentration is pretty tragic.

Thomas is a scrapper if nothing else, I always liked that.

 

[jaseg]

probably more useful to the team in the few minutes he was on, than Tui was for the whole game. Things need to change at the back before long. Don;t really see a place for Tui in the squad at all to be honest. Apart from his gun run in Golden Point against the cellar dweller Roosters against tiring defence, what has he done this year to justify his place in a top 8 NRL team? Maybe you could get away with his ineptitude over the whole season if you were the Knights but dont we have higher aspirations? He's an absolute weak link. At least Maumolo serves a purpose with his metre eating and starting the sets..(and he can actually hurt people. Ask Hoffman)

4 Tries, 10 Try Assists, 15 Linebreaks, 8 Linebreak Assists, 45 Tackle Breaks. That's what he's done this year.

He leads our team in linebreaks, and is 2nd (to Johnson) in try & linebreak assists, 3rd (to Kata & Johnson) in tackle breaks. He also actually averages less than 1 error per game across the season.

Tui's been one of our best players this year, but sure - let's totally overreact to a bad game.

In contrast, all Ken has is work rate - something which, given Manu is back, shouldn't be a huge bonus (nobody needs two giant wingers). Manu makes more metres per run, and Ken's high run rate essentially means he's taking a run from one of our forwards almost every other set - and making about 8.4 metres from it (Hoffman & Tevaga are the only forwards in last weekend's lineup that average less than that this year). Yeah, what a huge tangible benefit Maumalo gives us..

Ken has improved - he's still the weakest link.

 

[vvvrulz]

Tui's been fine given the context, he's a young guy who's been forced into a jack of all trades.
McFad is giving him a terrible hospital pass.

It's a matter of finding the best possible position for him, given a set of options where none are a best fit.

• Of the lot, I would say 6 is the closest but Thomas has it sewn up. Should have been early, stupid to change it now.
• Then I'd say 3 is the spot he'll offer the most, he's not better than Ayshford or Kata though.
• Then 2, he's suspect under the high ball and that's a liability to live with. He's better than Maumalo as a winger.
• Then 1 is the last place I'd have him, he'll do a competent enough job but going to be exposed under the bomb and on defense sweeping. It's nuts given that Fus is perfect here.

Based on all that, I'd have him on the wing.

 

[ozbash]

Tui's been fine given the context, he's a young guy who's been forced into a jack of all trades.
McFad is giving him a terrible hospital pass.

That's why I'd have him at 14. He can cover the back line, TL and Jazz could switch.

 

[ozbash]

incontrast, all Ken has is work rate - something which, given Manu is back, shouldn't be a huge bonus (nobody needs two giant wingers). Manu makes more metres per run, and Ken's high run rate essentially means he's taking a run from one of our forwards almost every other set - and making about 8.4 metres from it (Hoffman & Tevaga are the only forwards in last weekend's lineup that average less than that this year). Yeah, what a huge tangible benefit Maumalo gives us..

Manu also makes more mistakes and tends to leak points as a consequence

Our backs have to take more hit ups because crappy seems to like backs sitting on the bench twiddling their thumbs instead of an extra forward.

Ken has been a godsend, consistently topping the hitup /run meters each game.

He is the future of our back line.

 

[Big Marn]

4 Tries, 10 Try Assists, 15 Linebreaks, 8 Linebreak Assists, 45 Tackle Breaks. That's what he's done this year.

He leads our team in linebreaks, and is 2nd (to Johnson) in try & linebreak assists, 3rd (to Kata & Johnson) in tackle breaks. He also actually averages less than 1 error per game across the season.

Tui's been one of our best players this year, but sure - let's totally overreact to a bad game.

In contrast, all Ken has is work rate - something which, given Manu is back, shouldn't be a huge bonus (nobody needs two giant wingers). Manu makes more metres per run, and Ken's high run rate essentially means he's taking a run from one of our forwards almost every other set - and making about 8.4 metres from it (Hoffman & Tevaga are the only forwards in last weekend's lineup that average less than that this year). Yeah, what a huge tangible benefit Maumalo gives us..

Ken has improved - he's still the weakest link.

Stats can be skewed to suit anyones argument. you cant supply intangible data like poor positioning leading to opposition tries or dropped catches that lead to scrums or line dropouts that cause more defending leading to either tries on next set or tired players at the end of games leading to tries that he is not directly responsible for but indirectly is due to those earlier errors that a decent fullback would have handled with ease. Its because hes too young and inexperienced. I dont put all the blame on him. Half is on the coach. What i didnt like in the previous game is his absolute lack of focus and body on the line mentality that is required for fullback. That airswing was the nail in the coffin for me. He should be putting his hand up and saying Coach, im not good enough to play fullback at the required level.... yet. I need to go back to Reserve grade and learn the ins and outs where 2 nrl points arent involved.

Also, those sort of stats are meaningless in the context of the game and season if you are losing. So he broke a few tackles. Were we down by 20 and the other team was cruising at that stage? You cant put stats in isolation like that. Same with line breaks, try assists etc. They are all meaningless. What you want to see is a fullback doing his job. Forget about stats which can be skewed to f**k to support your argument.

Tell me the last time you saw Lolohea running in support of a Matulino or Vete as they hit the line in the small chance of an offload. Thats right. Never. Players like Mckinnon and Webb used to do that all the time. They used to work their arse off to be in support just in case. 7 times out of 10 nothing eventuated but when it did, they made the opposition pay. Lolohea should try and find footage of Wade McKinnon and Brent Webb and sit down and learn. McKinnon may have had some shit in him (lets not talk about spitting at refs) but he was a f**king good fb till his injury. Same with Webby, .
Lolohea has to stop with his dancing around bullshit. He basically wastes a tackle every time.

Regarding Maumalo, again you skewed his stats to build your argument. Yes he might take a hit up off a front rower but with the reduced interchange, that keeps our pack fresher. Remember our forwards are tackling in the previous set (maybe 2 or 3 sets in a row depending on errors/penalties) while Maumalo is keeping quiet on the wing. When he and Manu are taking a hit up, the forwards are catching a breath so on the 3rd hitup someone has got energy back to bend the line. Lolohea's hitup is a waste of time so usually Fusitua will come in. Go look at FB stats. You wont see any FB under 100M for a game as they should be starting sets yet Lolohea managed it this game. Thats cause hes crabbing sideways then being dragged back by the opposition to where he picked the ball up.

So yeah, i dont mind two giant wingers taking hitups off the props. As Ryan James said in the aftermatch interview, Maumalo is hard to handle and gives them yet another big guy to tackle which tires them out even faster than it would if they only had our normal front rower quota to deal with. /rant off

 

[SpaceMonkey]

4 Tries, 10 Try Assists, 15 Linebreaks, 8 Linebreak Assists, 45 Tackle Breaks. That's what he's done this year.

He leads our team in linebreaks, and is 2nd (to Johnson) in try & linebreak assists, 3rd (to Kata & Johnson) in tackle breaks. He also actually averages less than 1 error per game across the season.

Tui's been one of our best players this year, but sure - let's totally overreact to a bad game.

In contrast, all Ken has is work rate - something which, given Manu is back, shouldn't be a huge bonus (nobody needs two giant wingers). Manu makes more metres per run, and Ken's high run rate essentially means he's taking a run from one of our forwards almost every other set - and making about 8.4 metres from it (Hoffman & Tevaga are the only forwards in last weekend's lineup that average less than that this year). Yeah, what a huge tangible benefit Maumalo gives us..

Ken has improved - he's still the weakest link.

I'm starting to suspect that Tui shagged Marn's sister the same night Mannering tapped Iron Lions, they have the same unnatural level of beef against those players

Though I think you're also being a bit harsh on Maumalo there too- while that you're saying is essentially true one thing your stats are missing is the speed onf his runs and play the balls- he takes the ball at speed (or charges quickly from dummy half) and usually gets a quick play the ball, which make his runs more valuable than the metres alone suggest as it has the defence backpedal LU early in the count and occiasilbally leads to penalties if they break discipline and infringe from marker or try to slow play down.

 

[jaseg]

Stats can be skewed to suit anyones argument. you cant supply intangible data like poor positioning leading to opposition tries or dropped catches that lead to scrums or line dropouts that cause more defending leading to either tries on next set or tired players at the end of games leading to tries that he is not directly responsible but indirectly is due to those earlier errors that a decent fullback would have handled with ease. Its because hes too young and inexperienced. I dont put all the blame on him. Half is on the coach. What i didnt like in the previous game is his absolute lack of focus and body on the line mentality that is required for fullback. That airswing was the nail in the coffin for me. He should be putting his hand up and saying Coach, im not good enough to play fullback at the required level.... yet. I need to go back to Reserve grade and learn the ins and outs where 2 nrl points arent involved.

Also, those sort of stats are meaningless in the context of the game and season if you are losing. So he broke a few tackles. Were we down by 20 and the other team was cruising at that stage? You cant put stats in isolation like that. Same with line breaks, try assists etc. They are all meaningless. What you want to see is a fullback doing his job. Forget about stats which can be skewed to f**k to support your argument.

Tell me the last time you saw Lolohea running in support of a Matulino or Vete as they hit the line in the small chance of an offload. Thats right. Never. Players like Mckinnon and Webb used to do that all the time. They used to work their arse off to be in support just in case. 7 times out of 10 nothing eventuated but when it did, they made the opposition pay. Lolohea should try and find footage of Wade McKinnon and Brent Webb and sit down and learn. McKinnon may have had some shit in him (lets not talk about spitting at refs) but he was a f**king good fb till his injury. Same with Webby, .
Lolohea has to stop with his dancing around bullshit. He basically wastes a tackle every time.

Regarding Maumalo, again you skewed his stats to build your argument. Yes he might take a hit up off a front rower but with the reduced interchange, that keeps our pack fresher. Remember our forwards are tackling in the previous set (maybe 2 or 3 sets in a row depending on errors/penalties) while Maumalo is keeping quiet on the wing. When he and Manu are taking a hit up, the forwards are catching a breath so on the 3rd hitup someone has got energy back to bend the line. Lolohea's hitup is a waste of time so usually Fusitua will come in. Go look at FB stats. You wont see any FB under 100M for a game as they should be starting sets yet Lolohea managed it this game. Thats cause hes crabbing sideways then being dragged back by the opposition to where he picked the ball up.

So yeah, i dont mind two giant wingers taking hitups off the props. As Ryan James said in the aftermatch interview, Maumalo is hard to handle and gives them yet another big guy to tackle which tires them out even faster than it would if they only had our normal front rower quota to deal with. /rant off

You talk about skewing stats, yet you react heavily to single games?

Christ. Is the modern fullback role entirely about supporting the ball runner? No. It's a ball playing role. Tui does that very well at fullback, as seen this year.. and last.

I won't find a fullback under 100m for a game?

The last time Brett Stewart averaged over 100m/game in a season was 2009... he's had some really good years in that period, too. That's not a single game either - that's entire season averages. Lachlan Coote has managed over 100m in 1 game of 20 this year. Matt Moylan? over 100m/game in just 4 of 19 games this year.

The coupe de grace? Ben Barba has failed to hit 100m in 12 of his 20 games this year... isn't he rumoured to be leading the Dally M count? Hmm....

I wasn't 'skewing' stats... you asked what he had done this year, and I told you. He's made more linebreaks than any other player in the squad. Only our halfback has made more try assists. That's not skewing numbers, that's observing. A skew would be if he had done the vast majority of those things in a small amount of the games, and done nothing in the others - that is not the case. He's been pretty consistent with his contributions across the season, actually.

 

[vvvrulz]

Ken has been a godsend, consistently topping the hitup /run meters each game.

This.

He is the future of our back line.

Not this. He's a forward wearing a 2 jersey,

This was also quite a famous Manu myth, but Manu was a point machine if given competent centres and halves. Maumalo isn't that, but it's been disguised as for some baffling reason we're not trying to set our wingers up much anymore, what once used to be a Warriors staple.

But hey, dead horse now, Ken's not going anywhere just as Thomas wasn't. Let's hope then he builds his game and becomes a competent winger, Kata and Fus improved out of sight so it's possible.

 

[Big Marn]

You talk about skewing stats, yet you react heavily to single games?

Christ. Is the modern fullback role entirely about supporting the ball runner? No. It's a ball playing role. Tui does that very well at fullback, as seen this year.. and last.

I won't find a fullback under 100m for a game?

The last time Brett Stewart averaged over 100m/game in a season was 2009... he's had some really good years in that period, too. That's not a single game either - that's entire season averages. Lachlan Coote has managed over 100m in 1 game of 20 this year. Matt Moylan? over 100m/game in just 4 of 19 games this year.

The coupe de grace? Ben Barba has failed to hit 100m in 12 of his 20 games this year... isn't he rumoured to be leading the Dally M count? Hmm....

I wasn't 'skewing' stats... you asked what he had done this year, and I told you. He's made more linebreaks than any other player in the squad. Only our halfback has made more try assists. That's not skewing numbers, that's observing. A skew would be if he had done the vast majority of those things in a small amount of the games, and done nothing in the others - that is not the case. He's been pretty consistent with his contributions across the season, actually.

nice research on the fullback stats. Obviously something you enjoy. How about going back through all the Game day comments of Warriors games rather than copying and pasting from Nrl.com and looking at all the Oh Tui, jesus Tui, f**k me Tui, wtf tui, where were you tui, tui your a imitation of a turnstile comments over the year and compare them to the good job tui, nice positioning tui, great tackle tui. and see which side of the ledger comes out on top. Those are your real stats. Real observations of the game as it happens, not counting up numbers. and putting it next to a player and stating his worth based on a number.

If you want a stat (which we know you like) heres one to consider. Tui 64 tackles made, 23 missed. vs Ayshford, 298 tackles made, 36missed. Thats 234 extra tackles made with only 13 tackles extra missed. Hows that for a stat? See how meaningless they are now? Wished you had actually read what i said before running off to NRL.com.

 

[ozbash]

NRL | v GOLD COAST TITANS, CBUS SUPER STADIUM | WON 24-14

Penalties | Vodafone Warriors 3, Gold Coast 4.

Completions | Vodafone Warriors 28/36 (78%), Gold Coast 25/33 (76%).

Total runs | Vodafone Warriors 163, Gold Coast 173.

Metres gained | Vodafone Warriors 1594, Gold Coast 1428.

Line breaks | Vodafone Warriors 5, Gold Coast 3.

Tackle breaks | Vodafone Warriors 33, Gold Coast 16.

Kicks (kicking metres) | Vodafone Warriors 14 (325), Gold Coast 21 (380).

Tackles Made | Vodafone Warriors 320, Gold Coast 292.

Missed tackles | Vodafone Warriors 16, Gold Coast 33.

Offloads | Vodafone Warriors 4, Gold Coast 6.

Errors | Vodafone Warriors 9, Gold Coast 11.

Runs | Vodafone Warriors: Thomas Leuluai 17, Tuimoala Lolohea 15, Simon Mannering 13, Bodene Thompson 13, Ben Matulino 12, Ryan Hoffman 11, Ken Maumalo 11, Manu Vatuvei 11, Solomone Kata 10, Albert Vete 10. Gold Coast: Greg Bird 19, David Mead 18, Luke Douglas 16, Ryan James 14, Zeb Taia 14, Nene MacDonald 13, Jarryd Hayne 10, Anthony Don 10, Josh Hoffman 10.

Metres gained | Vodafone Warriors: Solomone Kata 172, David Fusitu’a 164, Thomas Leuluai 134, Ben Matulino 117, Simon Mannering 113, Ryan Hoffman 109, Tuimoala Lolohea 100. Gold Coast: Greg Bird 157, David Mead 142, Luke Douglas 139, Nene MacDonald 122, Ryan James 118.

Tackle breaks | Vodafone Warriors: Solomone Kata 7, Bodene Thompson 7, David Fusitu’a 3, Simon Mannering 3. Gold Coast: David Mead 3, Ryan James 3.

Off loads | Vodafone Warriors: Thomas Leuluai 2.

Tackles made | Vodafone Warriors: Simon Mannering 42, Bodene Thompson 35, Jacob Lillyman 32, Jazz Tevaga 30, Nathaniel Roache 29, Ben Matulino 27, Albert 20. Gold Coast: Ryan James 48, Nathan Peats 46, Chris McQueen 34, Luke Douglas 28, Greg Bird 24, Ash Taylor 24.

Missed tackles | Vodafone Warriors: Simon Mannering 0, Jazz Tevaga 0, Nathaniel Roache 0, Ben Matulino 0, Albert Vete 0, Sam Lisone 0, Blake Ayshford 0, Manu Vatuvei 0. Gold Coast: Chris McQueen 0, Jarryd Hayne 0, David Shillington 0, Nene MacDonald 0.

Supports | Vodafone Warriors: Manu Vatuvei 11, Solomone Kata 9, Ryan Hoffman 7. Gold Coast: Zeb Taia 9, Ryan James 6.

Decoys | Vodafone Warriors: Simon Mannering 7, Sam Lisone 7, Jacob Lillyman 4. Gold Coast: Ryan James 8, Luke Douglas 7.

 

[jaseg]

nice research on the fullback stats. Obviously something you enjoy. How about going back through all the Game day comments of Warriors games rather than copying and pasting from Nrl.com and looking at all the Oh Tui, jesus Tui, f**k me Tui, wtf tui, where were you tui, tui your a imitation of a turnstile comments over the year and compare them to the good job tui, nice positioning tui, great tackle tui. and see which side of the ledger comes out on top. Those are your real stats. Real observations of the game as it happens, not counting up numbers. and putting it next to a player and stating his worth based on a number.

If you want a stat (which we know you like) heres one to consider. Tui 64 tackles made, 23 missed. vs Ayshford, 298 tackles made, 36missed. Thats 234 extra tackles made with only 13 tackles extra missed. Hows that for a stat? See how meaningless they are now? Wished you had actually read what i said before running off to NRL.com.

Oh so we're changing tone to a little more oppositional now? Ok.

I didn't have to look up individual games to get those numbers. Just press sort then use the find function on a worksheet. Took me all of a minute. I knew what (meaning the specific players) I was looking for too, since I have a basic understanding of how certain fullbacks play the game (yes, I did leave an implication there).

Oh, and I don't use NRL.com, for a whole bunch of reasons... the easiest of which is they're not the most accurate, and are presented in a terribly unhelpful way. Fine if you don't have the understanding or interest to use that stuff for any real analysis, but sadly lacking otherwise.

Completely disregarding stats is, quite simply, stupid. You tried to say I was skewing stats - seemingly not understanding what "skew" meant. Now apparently numbers have no (or even little) value? Rubbish.

How about this; perhaps you should go back and read the comment of yours I initially responded to. This one;

Apart from his gun run in Golden Point against the cellar dweller Roosters against tiring defence, what has he done this year to justify his place in a top 8 NRL team?

You asked what had Tui done. Yep, he's had some bad moments (because that's what they've been - moments - his season, on the whole, has been very good). Tui has done rather a lot to the good, as I answered. More than several players in the side.

You want comments rather than numbers? Go back to when he got benched. You'll find all the comments about his value and how well he had been playing this year right there mate. Have fun.

 

[Big Marn]

Oh so we're changing tone to a little more oppositional now? Ok.

I didn't have to look up individual games to get those numbers. Just press sort then use the find function on a worksheet. Took me all of a minute. I knew what (meaning the specific players) I was looking for too, since I have a basic understanding of how certain fullbacks play the game (yes, I did leave an implication there).

Oh, and I don't use NRL.com, for a whole bunch of reasons... the easiest of which is they're not the most accurate, and are presented in a terribly unhelpful way. Fine if you don't have the understanding or interest to use that stuff for any real analysis, but sadly lacking otherwise.

Completely disregarding stats is, quite simply, stupid. You tried to say I was skewing stats - seemingly not understanding what "skew" meant. Now apparently numbers have no (or even little) value? Rubbish.

How about this; perhaps you should go back and read the comment of yours I initially responded to. This one;



You asked what had Tui done. Yep, he's had some bad moments (because that's what they've been - moments - his season, on the whole, has been very good). Tui has done rather a lot to the good, as I answered. More than several players in the side.

You want comments rather than numbers? Go back to when he got benched. You'll find all the comments about his value and how well he had been playing this year right there mate. Have fun.

Sorry but i think you've been glossing over all the dross along with alot of other posters due to being blinded by moments of brilliance. His positional play is terrible. Your lying if your heart isnt in your mouth when a high ball goes up and Tuis under it, and even worse (when hes nowhere to be seen and lets the ball bounce!) Or do you just delete all these schoolboy errors from your memory?

I think you have been sucked in by all the hype he got when he was an under20s player excelling against boys. People were urging for him to be picked on here but wiser heads were saying he needed more time and he does. I am not going sour on him based on Sunday's game. This rocks and diamonds shit has been going on for several games to the stage hes like another Manu ( Manu was bloody good on the weekend by the way, took several highballs and turned over the ball with some good defence, yet i guess his stats dont measure up with tries and tacklebreaks to make a mention). Its called watching all aspects of the game, not just the herobiscuits who make a break, but 2 sets later are standing behind the goal line because they forgot to catch a ball they should be training all week to do.
Cappy tried to demote him on form and was put under so much public pressure (though Jono Wright had the mother of shit games to f**k it up for him,so he cant win either way) he had to bring him back. When he moved Fusitua back to FB, it was like a breath of fresh air. Yes, this is how an allround Fullback should play, great under the highball, good positioning, and can still score a try in the corner when needed.
I blame all this on Ayshfords form dropping as well. If he had kept up his solidity on defence, Tui might still be on the bench and Fus would stll be at FB. (Hes good at centre and next year RTS will go back to FB but this year he is the best FB we have and hes not being played there)
I actually thought Tui's position this year would be centre but he just didnt handle the defensive side of the position at all. He's young so he might improve but i dont think hes going to turn into the superstar you think he will as hes missing the vital ingredient needed to make it at NRL level. Heart. Something your moneyball spreadsheet cant calculate.

 

[jaseg]

Sorry but i think you've been glossing over all the dross along with alot of other posters due to being blinded by moments of brilliance. His positional play is terrible. Your lying if your heart isnt in your mouth when a high ball goes up and Tuis under it, and even worse (when hes nowhere to be seen and lets the ball bounce!) Or do you just delete all these schoolboy errors from your memory?

I think you have been sucked in by all the hype he got when he was an under20s player excelling against boys. People were urging for him to be picked on here but wiser heads were saying he needed more time and he does. I am not going sour on him based on Sunday's game. This rocks and diamonds shit has been going on for several games to the stage hes like another Manu ( Manu was bloody good on the weekend by the way, took several highballs and turned over the ball with some good defence, yet i guess his stats dont measure up with tries and tacklebreaks to make a mention). Its called watching all aspects of the game, not just the herobiscuits who make a break, but 2 sets later are standing behind the goal line because they forgot to catch a ball they should be training all week to do.
Cappy tried to demote him on form and was put under so much public pressure (though Jono Wright had the mother of shit games to f**k it up for him,so he cant win either way) he had to bring him back. When he moved Fusitua back to FB, it was like a breath of fresh air. Yes, this is how an allround Fullback should play, great under the highball, good positioning, and can still score a try in the corner when needed.
I blame all this on Ayshfords form dropping as well. If he had kept up his solidity on defence, Tui might still be on the bench and Fus would stll be at FB. (Hes good at centre and next year RTS will go back to FB but this year he is the best FB we have and hes not being played there)
I actually thought Tui's position this year would be centre but he just didnt handle the defensive side of the position at all. He's young so he might improve but i dont think hes going to turn into the superstar you think he will as hes missing the vital ingredient needed to make it at NRL level. Heart. Something your moneyball spreadsheet cant calculate.

Jesus. Are you talking about Lolohea or Maumalo?

Mate, you asked for a reason why Tui should be in the team. I gave it to you. Then that wasn't good enough, you needed opinions of others rather than numbers... I told you where to look, but apparently those opinions aren't good enough now?

You accuse me of only looking at one side - but I'll accuse you of the same (only looking at the negatives, or at least not giving appropriate credit where due for the good stuff).

Have fun in fantasy land, where big Ken brings more to the team than reserve-grade Tui, and Fus still scores in the corner from fullback.

I said Tui deserves to be in the team, because he has brought more net positive than other guys who are in the team (Maumalo).

Not even bothering with the rest, it's time for footy.

 

[Big Marn]

Jesus. Are you talking about Lolohea or Maumalo?

Mate, you asked for a reason why Tui should be in the team. I gave it to you. Then that wasn't good enough, you needed opinions of others rather than numbers... I told you where to look, but apparently those opinions aren't good enough now?

You accuse me of only looking at one side - but I'll accuse you of the same (only looking at the negatives, or at least not giving appropriate credit where due for the good stuff).

Have fun in fantasy land, where big Ken brings more to the team than reserve-grade Tui, and Fus still scores in the corner from fullback.

I said Tui deserves to be in the team, because he has brought more net positive than other guys who are in the team (Maumalo).

Not even bothering with the rest, it's time for footy.

no shame in running away from a losing argument. All those stats that Tui has that you say has given team a net positive are against the bottom 2 teams who we played twice and a beaten up Broncos during Origin. On the whole he goes missing against decent opposition. Like I said earlier hes young and inexperienced. His time will come again. Maybe. Like i said. Skewed stats. But you stick to your money ball approach if its working for ya.
Also, Maumalo came in and we havent lost in 80mins since. Might be a lucky charm.
I for one appreciate the workload he takes off our forwards even if you dont. Our forwards arent robots you know. Less chance of injury in the long haul. Just sayin.