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Wallabies can secure future with Tahs coach

aussies1st

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The easy part for the ARU in getting out of the present crisis was getting rid of the Wallabies coach Eddie Jones. The hard part comes now.

The ARU must get every major decision right in constructing a coaching and management team for the Wallabies that will return the national side to the position of leadership, on and off the field, it enjoyed in 2001 when Jones took over from Rod Macqueen.

There is no evidence so far, unfortunately, that the present ARU board is capable of making a series of difficult and correct decisions. In fact, since the board forced out its chief executive John O'Neill, rather than discipline Eddie Jones and George Gregan, it has lurched from one crisis to another.

This is not an argument for the ARU board second-guessing the new Wallabies coach on every decision that is made. The coach should be given all the resources he needs to create a successful squad. O'Neill did this for Macqueen and the result, less than two years after possibly the worst performance ever by a Wallabies side in its capitulation in South Africa, was the 1999 Rugby World Cup victory. Thirteen players on the field of shame in Pretoria were in that 1999 championship side.

Coaching does make a difference. It is not good enough for Jones's sympathisers to argue that "the players aren't there". The players are there and the new coach has to find them and develop them into top-class Test players. This is why Ewen McKenzie is the best candidate to replace Jones.

n McKenzie's first year with the NSW Waratahs they performed dismally, finishing seventh - a worse position than the year before. This season, however, McKenzie got the Waratahs into the Super 12 final.More importantly, except for the final against the Crusaders, the Waratahs were well-organised in the set pieces and expansive in their back play. This is the formula for winning Tests. McKenzie knows this from being the assistant in more than 50 Tests to the most successful Wallabies coach ever, Macqueen.

Under McKenzie this year, too, players like Peter Hewat (how was Wendell Sailor ever preferred ahead of the intercept expert and prolific point-scorer Hewat?), Lachlan McKay, Lote Tuqiri and Daniel Vickerman (the best Australian second-rower since John Eales) have developed their games significantly. The sign of a good coach is that players play well and improve under his coaching regime.

The ARU should construct a coaching "dream team" along the lines of that in place with the All Blacks.

There are any number of experts who could support McKenzie. Alec Evans was the forwards coach in 1984 when the Wallabies scrum famously achieved a pushover try against Wales in Cardiff. Andrew Blades knows everything about tight-five play. Pat Howard and Rod Kafer have an expertise about modern back play. David Nucifora and John Connolly have impressive coaching records. The point is, the ARU must never again allow a coach to become, in effect, a one-man band answerable, it seems, only to himself, as Jones became.

There are a number of candidates who could act as a selector and mentor to the Australian coaches and players in the same way that Brian Lochore, the former All Blacks captain and coach, does for New Zealand. Macqueen, though, would be the ideal person for the job if he were prepared to take it.

During the Eddie Jones years, there was, in my view, a lack of understanding that playing for and coaching the Wallabies is a sacred trust. It is not just a job. The Wallabies are a national treasure, a construct of Australian society and culture, and the passion of all the hundreds of thousands of rugby players and supporters.

Macqueen, by reviving a tradition of former Wallabies handing out the Test jerseys and by taking his players to the First World War battlefields, understood the spirit of the Wallabies. If the next coach and his staff have a similar understanding, all will be well for the Wallabies' future.

http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/n...with-tahs-coach/2005/12/02/1133422106172.html
 

sixtynine

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The tahs coach has done alot for the tahs we will se if he is selected to be wallabies coach what he can do for the wallabies
 

blackfriday

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even though i think spiro zavos is the best of the rugby journos, i think he has it slightly wrong here. if fact, mckenzie is in the same position as jones was in 2001 but jones actually won a super 12. yes, jones did have an established side while mckenzie made some decent players into really good players (such vickerman, hewat and elsom). mckenzie should be on the staff, but not as head coach.
 

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Was that written by someone on the Waratah's staff? You'd be forgiven for thinking so. I personally think Connolly should get the job.
 

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skeepe said:
Was that written by someone on the Waratah's staff? You'd be forgiven for thinking so. I personally think Connolly should get the job.

Connolly failed abysmally at QLD! Why on earth would we want him as Australian coach! Nuicifora for me!
 

Thomas

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Actually Locky...Connolly was at the helm when Qld was doing well......the problem with the QRU is that they stink from the board down the the coach.

The QRU board hated Knuckles
 

strong_latte

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skeepe said:
Was that written by someone on the Waratah's staff? You'd be forgiven for thinking so. I personally think Connolly should get the job.
Why do you care? According to your deluded theory only Jones could ever have given us a hope of winning the RWC... yet you curiously fail at ever corner to explain why anyone would have had hope in a coach with an away record of less than 10% against top 5 nations... but that's most likely down to the fact that you know deep down Jones was useless.
 

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Thomas said:
Actually Locky...Connolly was at the helm when Qld was doing well......the problem with the QRU is that they stink from the board down the the coach.

The QRU board hated Knuckles

Oh yeah that is right.
 

skeepe

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strong_latte said:
Why do you care? According to your deluded theory only Jones could ever have given us a hope of winning the RWC... yet you curiously fail at ever corner to explain why anyone would have had hope in a coach with an away record of less than 10% against top 5 nations... but that's most likely down to the fact that you know deep down Jones was useless.

Jones has the talent to bring out the best in his players when it mattered. Disregard this European tour, no coach would have done any better. Australia has a serious lack of depth.

The reason I believe Jones is the man is he is a tremendous coach. He has shown this time and again. For all the problems Australia had this year, he still had us playing an exciting, free-flowing brand of rugby, and we were never far off winning any of the games we lost. Given another 2 years, I sincerely believe he would have moulded us into a world-beating team that would take some stopping. I guess we'll never know.
 

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Jones has the talent to bring out the best in his players when it mattered. Disregard this European tour, no coach would have done any better. Australia has a serious lack of depth.

The reason I believe Jones is the man is he is a tremendous coach. He has shown this time and again. For all the problems Australia had this year, he still had us playing an exciting, free-flowing brand of rugby, and we were never far off winning any of the games we lost. Given another 2 years, I sincerely believe he would have moulded us into a world-beating team that would take some stopping. I guess we'll never know.

You sound like Jone's media manager... Australia weren't playing anywhere near what that paragraph suggests. The wallabies games this year consisted of constant forward capitulation and lack of dicipline and skill in handling. Never far off winning the games we lost? Against France and England we may have been within 10 points, but in reality we were smashed and against England we were humiliated... Exiting is not a word I would use to describe the way we are playing.
 

blackfriday

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i think the fact that eddie said, 'we pass the ball more than any other team,' made skeepe come up with his theory of exciting rugby.

you want exciting rugby? mark ella during the grand slam tour, where it was a display of running rugby and dominant forwards.

query of skeepe: 'time and time again'? well i can think of beating the all-blacks a couple of years ago, and a super 12 victory with a brumbies squad full of wallabies but thats all pretty much.
 

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Pardon my ignorance but I don't know the make-up of the Wallaby scrum.

Is not the weakness the tigh five & scrummaging techniques the major weakness of the Australian team?

Aren't the players from these positions mostly from the Waratahs?

Doesn't McKenzie coach the Waratahs?

How will appointing McKenzie as coach improve the Oz scrum?
 
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russ13 said:
Pardon my ignorance but I don't know the make-up of the Wallaby scrum.

Is not the weakness the tigh five & scrummaging techniques the major weakness of the Australian team?

Aren't the players from these positions mostly from the Waratahs?

Doesn't McKenzie coach the Waratahs?

How will appointing McKenzie as coach improve the Oz scrum?

Each team from S14 to internationals has their own scrum coach . Im not sure if McKenzie is the srum coach for the Waratahs but if he is then they would better get a better coach for the scrum .
 

blackfriday

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russ13 you make a valid point, and hence im not supporting mckenzie's appointment as wallabies coach. but the tahs did so well in super 12 last season because the forward pack performed quite well, helped further by the fact that adam freier didnt get the yips when throwing in lineouts (like he does every time he pulls on a wallabies jumper) and dan vickerman wasnt injured either.
 
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I'm a huge Tah's supporter, and think that Ewen McKenzie has done a great job.
BUT Nuicifora is the man for the job.

He will have the balls, after the way he was treated by "George weak Latte, with two sugars Gregan" and the senior player at the brumbies, to stand up to the senior players of the Wallabies and make some tough decisions.
 

brendothejet

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The Wallabies suck. It was mentioned above several posts that they lack depth and this is exactly right.

You can't just go around buying rugby league players or snapping up the next best thing from s14 and expect to win.

The wallabies need more than a coach. They need the other team to get sick and not turn up.
 
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