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Wayne Bennett

Wayne Bennett is...

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  • No longer has the Broncos best interests at heart

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  • No longer has the Queensland Origin sides best interests at heart

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  • Is still a champion coach

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salivor

First Grade
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For both Kiwi and The Rock heres what I said about scott Prince:
Bennett is stale. All hes done is bring in Scott Prince who has been a diaster story from day one.

Now if you don't call two broken legs a disaster story then I'd like to know what it takes to make a disaster for you two. Where did I comment on Prince's form? Thats illustrates what this whole arguement is about....misinterpretation. As a mate said on msn to me, 5 mins in person and this arguement would be over, on the forums it lasts forever as you have to constantly go over your points explaining them in every detail.
 

Mystery Man

Juniors
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80
Like Bronco, I'm getting a bit tired of Bennett and all his associated bullshit, but my biggest gripe is the boring style of football that he has us playing. The Broncos were once the most exciting team in football, but now we just seem to hit the ball up the middle. Admittedly, it's hard to play an expansive game with a deadshit like Ben Ikin at 5/8, but a bit more variety wouldn't go astray.
 

TheROCK

Juniors
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38
Mystery Man said:
Like Bronco, I'm getting a bit tired of Bennett and all his associated bullshit, but my biggest gripe is the boring style of football that he has us playing. The Broncos were once the most exciting team in football, but now we just seem to hit the ball up the middle. Admittedly, it's hard to play an expansive game with a deadshit like Ben Ikin at 5/8, but a bit more variety wouldn't go astray.

Uh, so you prefer to have the Broncos playing fancy football than leading the comp? Chose one, because under the players we have, we can't have both.

I couldn't give a damn if we're boring or not. We're leading the damn comp, that's all that matters. Besides, we're not boring at all, some of the tries we've scored this year have been excellent and entertaining.
 

TheROCK

Juniors
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38
If you actually believe Canberra are the best team in the comp and you think they we have what it takes to match it with a full strength in form Roosters outfit then you have bigger problems that I thought.

So Salivor, what have you got to say now? Both teams were even, we had 9 players backing up, and we rested 2. Roosters didn't have Hodges, and Fitzgibbon for most of the match, but it doesn't matter, we not only matched the Roosters, we BEAT the Roosters.

If we're not the form team of the competition, then I would like to know who is. Penrith would come in a close second.

Now, I wouldn't say Bennet is stale, but he's definitely not making the right decisions, and having Ben Ikin in the team still....well that'll do me.
 

salivor

First Grade
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TheRock just read my quote again. Those were not two full strength sides going up against each other, it was straight after origin for christs sake. I have changed my opinion though to an extent about our chances of beating the Roosters, especially now that they're in an injury crisis lol.

The problem is with Ikin back, the team will take on a completly different complexion. We're on the back foot right from the start with his kicking game. I agree with you from another thread that Maguire is not the perfect partner for Berrigan but hes our next best option with Bennett going cold on Prince.
 

salivor

First Grade
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Well time has shown me to be right. I know its a low blow but hey I'm not above it 8) . Bennett himself has said he has no answers. I'm not calling for his head as theres nobody good enough to fill his boots at present but something is not right in broncoland.

We have a complete lack of ability to score points. I thought our defence was going along ok but when an amateur in Webb has a field day and the right hand side is a constant target like it has been for a long time, I don't think we can even fall back on that now.

We've now completely collapsed at the backend of the season for 3 years in a row now after getting off to pretty good starts. At least in 2001 and 2002 we still had the ability to score points. We can only hope that Seymour gets his shot at halfback next year.
 

Mystery Man

Juniors
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80
This is the worst team in the sixteen year history of the club. It is the first time that I have ever felt that the Broncos don't have a team that is capable of winning the premiership.

The Broncos played an expanisve style of football up until Langer retired. They changed to a forward orientated game in 2000 and completely dominated the premiership with one of the biggest, most powerful teams that the game has seen. However, despite a number of big names leaving the club, as well of the demise of the unlimited interchange, the Broncos have not changed their style of play. How often do you ever see the ball go out across the backline? It's just hitup after hitup after hitup. I can't but help but feel that Bennett has forgotten what made the Broncos such a feared team in the first place.

Admittedly, the club has been destroyed by the salary cap, and has virtually no flair at all, outside of Lockyer. Sailor, Tuquiri, Walker, Hodges - that's a state of origin backline, right there - have all been forced out. Similarly, the club has never had a decent hooker since the club let Priddis go (huge mistake), and the retirement of Walters and Langer has left the club without a decent playmaker. But I feel that the club has been poor in it retention of players. Really, what's the point in keeping players like Meyers, Ikin, Macguire, Kelly, Berrigan, Carlaw and DeVere, but not doing more to hold on to the aforementioned names? I know that it's not always possible, and those players don't come cheaply, but I'd rather have a couple of strike weapons , or a good hooker, surrounded by young up-and-comers than the mediocre crap that we've got at the moment.

The Broncos will not win the premiership this year and were never going to, so I am mystified as to why Bennet would not blood somebody like Seymour to give him some experience. Look at Firman for the Dragons. They won't win the premiership this year or next, but they're going to be pretty well positioned in a few years time because of the experience he's getting now. Instead, we've got a good-for-nothing (can't run, can't kick, can't create) cripple playing five-eighth, and a halfback who has less playmaking ability than Andrew Gee.

I do believe that Bennett is stale, but I also believe the entire organisation is - the administration, the players, the fans. The whole place is in need of a shakeup. Bennett, for mine, for all his successes, has always had too much power and lacks accountability to the organisation. His encouragement of Sailor to switch codes shows this. He's too close to his players when his first priority should be the club. The entire organisation has an "old boys club" feel to it, and this is never demonstrated more than at origin time when underserving Brisbane players are named in front of better performing rivals from other clubs. Bennett needs to distance himself from his players, like he did when he was first at the club (remember Lewis, Gilmeister, etc) or we need someone fresh.

Whatever the case, the club is in for a few lean years. Maybe it will be good. Maybe it will result in a cycle of change that will be of benefit in the long term. But the Broncos are about to find out what it's like to be just making up the numbers for the first time in their existance.
 

Mad Dogg

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Well said Mystery Man.

Bennett, more than anyone else, is responsible for us dominating the '90s and the Broncos administration and fans should be eternally grateful to him. But he no longer seems to have the hunger to make the changes that needs to be made.

All year, it has been as obvious as the nose on Sterlo's face that we need a play-maker in the halves. We had Prince and Seymour absolutely ripping it up in our feeder team, but neither were given a real chance to claim a spot ahead of the stale, uncreative partnership of Ikin/Berrigan. And now we have allowed Prince to leave, while signing the man who seems to think dropping the ball is an olympic sport (Meyers) to a four year deal.
 

Blade

Juniors
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Mystery Man wrote -
I do believe that Bennett is stale, but I also believe the entire organisation is - the administration, the players, the fans. The whole place is in need of a shakeup.

What do you suppose we do?

I know you briefly touched on it when you stated that, "Bennett needs to distance himself from his players, like he did when he was first at the club (remember Lewis, Gilmeister, etc) or we need someone fresh" but on a whole, covering all aspects, what in your opinion, needs to be changed in the other areas you outlined?

I don't beleive we are out for 2003 as yet, but I will say things don't look too promising as it currently stands. Never say never when it comes to the Broncos, is one thing I've taught myself over the years. Maybe it's my heart speaking, but I need something to hold on dear to. 8)

Good post too MM. :)
 

salivor

First Grade
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What can we do? Absolutely nothing it seems. As I said before, Seymour seems to be our only hope.

The thing that really shits me is that we had over half our squad off contract. This was a genuine chance to grow some balls and really change the makeup of our squad. Instead we predictably just re-sign all our current players who aren't performing. The money that was spent on Meyers should've been spent on either getting Civoniceva on a longer contract or keeping Prince at the club.

I know theres no real point in discussing it but I'm really dirty that we lost Bellamy so Bennett could continue on. Just look what hes done with Melbourne in one year. Hes totally turned them around and hes had absolutely no luck with injuries all year. With the Broncos, we get a couple of players injured and we just fall on our sword. The sad thing is that theres a hell of alot more potential in that Melbourne squad than in Brisbane's and I wouldn't be surprised if Bellamy turns them into a genuine premiership threat.
 

legend

Coach
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Melbourne will be a premiership threat once they cast Ross and Howe adrift and have another 500k to work with.

As for the Broncos, I personally think their eye ofr talent has waned. Look at all the players they missed out on because of the "Old Boys Club" policy.

The Brisbane of old would never have let some of these players slip through their fingers but I think it will only be a short term thing. I think Walker will probably go back to the Broncos as will Hodges after his contract expires next year.

But to miss out on guys like Flannery, Hegarty, Slater and others who originated from the Qld cup is a sad endictment on the club. I know they can't keep all of them but some of the ones they have now compared to some of the ones they could of had, well there's no comparison IMO.
 

eloquentEEL

First Grade
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legend said:
Melbourne will be a premiership threat once they cast Ross and Howe adrift and have another 500k to work with.

I think they'll need that sort of money to retain Slater and Smith when they come off contract. However, I feel they could be a threat this year as it is. When they're hot, they're hot, and are capable of beating any team on their day. Then again, they're also capable of losing to any team on their off days. The question is, how does consistency rank once you're in the finals?
 

Mystery Man

Juniors
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80
Blade said:
What do you suppose we do?

I know you briefly touched on it when you stated that, "Bennett needs to distance himself from his players, like he did when he was first at the club (remember Lewis, Gilmeister, etc) or we need someone fresh" but on a whole, covering all aspects, what in your opinion, needs to be changed in the other areas you outlined?

Nothing can be done. Bennett is all-powerful at the Broncos.

The only hope is that a few lean years will result in people realising that change is required. It might reinvigorate the entire organisation, and the fans, who have become complacent due to the great success of the club.
 

Grantwhy

Juniors
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Trojan Horse said:
Good post bronco.

bronco said:
My problem is his relationship with the media. Take a bloke like Matt Elliot, hes bent over backwards to make himself accessible to the media and its great for the game. Bennett on the other hand chooses to stand at press conferences and not give great answers. We all know about his past games with the media. For origin he was only available for 15 minutes. He doesn't turn up to pre-season coaches meeting, he doesn't turn up to anything. He couldn't even be at the origin launch. Whether he likes it or not a coach has to be able to handle the media.

Bennett's relationship with the media has always been a love-hate one. But here's what I've never understood: Why does the media continue to pursue matters with Wayne Bennett, if they are well aware that he's as flamboyant and responsive as an olive? Sure, they're doing their job (though at times I'm lost as to what it is), but you'd think after 15 years or so of persuing Mr Personality, with nothing short of (predominantly) unproductive interviews, you'd think they'd say "screw this." This, I've never been able to grasp.

Its an easy story for lazy journalists


Step 1) Ask Bennett question/s they know he won't answer

Step 2) Make Bennett not answering the question/s the story


It's simple, easy, quick and is well received read/watched in NSW ;-)
 

Blade

Juniors
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Mystery Man said:
Blade said:
What do you suppose we do?

I know you briefly touched on it when you stated that, "Bennett needs to distance himself from his players, like he did when he was first at the club (remember Lewis, Gilmeister, etc) or we need someone fresh" but on a whole, covering all aspects, what in your opinion, needs to be changed in the other areas you outlined?

Nothing can be done. Bennett is all-powerful at the Broncos.

The only hope is that a few lean years will result in people realising that change is required. It might reinvigorate the entire organisation, and the fans, who have become complacent due to the great success of the club.

That seems to be the major problem MM. Bennett is too powerful.

Change, I agree MM, is the approach that's needed but I hope we don't wait too many years. I can't. I'm not that patient. Especially after such successful seasons we have had rain on us since their birth.

I guess I was kidding my self that this current state would never approach us. Or maybe I was hoping. Or maybe I was simply blinded...

:cry:
 

salivor

First Grade
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The thing that has really pissed me off this week is that Bennett is now blaming State of Origin for the current form slump. Yes thats right, State of Origin that ended 8 bloody weeks ago. Hes also got Petro agreeing with him, so don't expect much from the Broncos against the Dragons because they've slipped back into the excuses mindset.

Around origin time Brent Tate came out and said that the players weren't using the same old excuses of being tired and the like because of origin. This was backed up by 3 huge backing up efforts against Canberra, Sydney and Melbourne. I really thought the team had turned a corner mentally after the critism I'd given them earlier in the year. Looks like a few losses was all it took to see them bring out old habits.
 

Kaz

junior
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I don't blame Bennett for not talking to certain media types, most ask the same question each time. And then when he doesn't answer that attack him.

Bennett does talk to ABC radio & another station in NSW every week.

Our biggest mistake this year IMO is the signing of Swain.

I thought he would be great at the Broncos, but I was wrong.

Swain has done nothing special for us this year, go back to when Priddis was with us & watch his work rate, compared to Swain.
 

antonius

Coach
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Word is Wayne Baby will leave the Broncettes next year, he's signed up to do a movie blockbuster he'll be the star of "The Grim Reeper" He wasn't signed for his acting ability, more for the massive savings on Make-up. :shock:
 

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