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Wembley WON'T be ready for Challenge Cup Final

terracesider

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playdaball said:
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What about France?

France has it's own cup final, the Lord Derby Cup, and I think were doing quite enough damage to French ruby league by letting French teams into the Challenge Cup. and ESL rather than building up the game over there.
 

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The steel contractors walked off because Multiplex tried to contain its losses by squeezing their profit margins.

The steel contractors walked off because they wanted a 51 week extension and didn't get it

Take the Sun's word for it if you like though
 

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Jimbo said:
Take the Sun's word for it if you like though
I wouldn't read The Sun if they paid me, give us some credit! There's 14 other daily papers to choose from...

Jimbo said:
I'll match your statement from five weeks ago with... a statement from five weeks ago
Thanks for that Jimbo, always good to hear both sides of a story. Especially one in which both sides are peddling opposite sides to the media of - whichever type.

Reading the two releases put out on the same day, it seems that there is disagreement on Practical Completion.

Wembley say:
“The contract with Multiplex has two critical future milestones which Multiplex have deliberately confused. Multiplex is required to hand WNSL a completed stadium which is defined in the contract as ‘Practical Completion’. WNSL then has to work with Multiplex to finish certain works and to hold the various test events which will enable the safety certificate to be obtained and achieve ‘Operational Completion’, the point at which a fully-functioning stadium is delivered, capable of holding full-capacity events for 90,000 people.

Multiplex say:
As noted in previous progress updates, there are certain works that relate to the removal of temporary works, and works such as commissioning and cleaning that are required to achieve practical completion. These remaining works remain on programme and will complete prior to the date at which the stadium becomes operational.

No wonder there is confusion! Wembley are saying the contract stipulates Multiplex tasks that must be done for Practical Completion, after which they work together to achieve the operational stage. Multiplex are admitting there are certain works to achieve pratical completion that remain on programme, but will complete before the stadium becomes "operational".

If we are to believe the Multiplex line, the stadium clearly never gets finished! The Wembley line is saying Multiplex must do those remaining works to practical completion before it can work on the remaining tasks that lead to operational completion. Add to that all the court cases etc and it really looks like it will be lucky to get an event on there before the 2012 Olympics. I'm not sure what Multiplex want Wembley to do, if the problem has been this steel contractor? Wembley has already (by necessity granted Multiplex extensions in time, that look to now be perpetual.

Would hate to be a share holder of Multiplex, their conduct and approach will almost certainly count against them in tendering for any London Olympic construction work, especially when compared to whoever deliver Emirates Stadium for Arsenal on time, complete and currently being used? Blame it on the English press if you want, but to many people the proof is in the finsihed product over at Highbury.
 

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Jimbo said:
Multiplex said they were at practical completion on the same day as your press release.
Still looking for where they've said that, sorry. To me they've said "these remaining works remain on program and will be completed" which suggests they are not yet there?
 

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Would league at Croke Park be Ok with the Paddies, given how much they don't want union and soccer played there? When is Lansdowne Road finished?

Emirates Stadium would be great. Murrayfield, Millenium Stadium and Old Trafford would be suitable alternates. I don't know if Fergie would want two league games played on his precious Old Trafford pitch though.

Wembley would be perfect, but i'll happily settle for Emirates Stadium.
 

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bartman said:
Reading the two releases put out on the same day, it seems that there is disagreement on Practical Completion.

No wonder there is confusion! Wembley are saying the contract stipulates Multiplex tasks that must be done for Practical Completion, after which they work together to achieve the operational stage. Multiplex are admitting there are certain works to achieve pratical completion that remain on programme, but will complete before the stadium becomes "operational".

If we are to believe the Multiplex line, the stadium clearly never gets finished! The Wembley line is saying Multiplex must do those remaining works to practical completion before it can work on the remaining tasks that lead to operational completion. Add to that all the court cases etc and it really looks like it will be lucky to get an event on there before the 2012 Olympics. I'm not sure what Multiplex want Wembley to do, if the problem has been this steel contractor? Wembley has already (by necessity granted Multiplex extensions in time, that look to now be perpetual.

CBUK were contracted to do the arch. That was finished quite some time ago

Here are some photos taken five weeks ago. You can judge for yourself how 'complete' it looks:

http://www.multiplex.biz/uploads/filelibrary/Wembley%20Update%20010806.pdf

Would hate to be a share holder of Multiplex, their conduct and approach will almost certainly count against them in tendering for any London Olympic construction work, especially when compared to whoever deliver Emirates Stadium for Arsenal on time, complete and currently being used? Blame it on the English press if you want, but to many people the proof is in the finsihed product over at Highbury.

Staduim Australia was finished a year early and under budget. Suncorp was a pretty successful job too

Maybe Multiplex should have used Aussie subcontractors at Wembley...
 

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Jimbo said:
CBUK were contracted to do the arch. That was finished quite some time ago

Here are some photos taken five weeks ago. You can judge for yourself how 'complete' it looks:

http://www.multiplex.biz/uploads/filelibrary/Wembley%20Update%20010806.pdf
Got to slide 15 before it crashed my browser... nice photos, can't argue with that. But I saw it from the train last weekend in August and I thought there were still some cranes up around it?

Jimbo said:
Staduim Australia was finished a year early and under budget. Suncorp was a pretty successful job too

Maybe Multiplex should have used Aussie subcontractors at Wembley...
So, employee, shareholder or plain paroachical Jimbo, it's OK to own up? ;-)
 

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bartman said:
Got to slide 15 before it crashed my browser... nice photos, can't argue with that. But I saw it from the train last weekend in August and I thought there were still some cranes up around it?

Probably the 'removal of temoporary works' they mentioned in the release

It shouldn't take too long to rip the plastic off the rest of the seats

So, employee, shareholder or plain paroachical Jimbo, it's OK to own up? ;-)

Yes, parochial is a rather nice word for it I suppose
 

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Fair enough. Still an almighty mess on both sides that meant I had to walk through the gates of bloody Twickenham this year...
 

Jimbo

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bartman said:
Fair enough. Still an almighty mess on both sides that meant I had to walk through the gates of bloody Twickenham this year...

Definitely

I think both sides will breathe a rather large sigh of relief when the first match starts
 

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From the weekend press, seems the credit for any successful mediation between the warring parties shouldn't go to either side, but to a government professional fix-it man...

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article1873816.ece (articles usually disappear as subscriber only after a few days)

The man who found way out of the Wembley maze

Exclusive: Government fixer wears a hard hat to deliver the big fixture
By Alan Hubbard
Published: 15 October 2006

Wembley, the sick creature of football, has suddenly taken a turn for the better, and it is no coincidence that it is being nursed along the road to recovery by the Government's troubleshooter-in-chief, Lord Patrick Carter. The 60-year-old Labour peer had no sooner relinquished the chair at Sport England at the end of last month when, with Wembley sinking even deeper into a fiscal and farcical mire, the word went out from Downing Street: Get Carter.

Michael Caine clone he isn't, but not many people know that Lord Carter of Coles was largely responsible for saving Manchester's eventually much-lauded Commonwealth Games from impending financial disaster, and there are several other ailing projects that were resuscitated by his prompt assistance.

He has not waved a magic wand at Wembley, but one suspects he has wagged an admonishing finger at the relevant factions whose procrastination, squabbling and apparent incom-petence have led to British sport's biggest embarrassment. No one, they say, is more adept at cracking heads together. The result is that his intervention is likely to lead to confirmation as early as this week that Wembley is now definitely on course to be ready for this season's FA Cup final, resplendent as the world's finest football stadium.

Carter refrains from public criticism of those involved in the tripartite fiasco: the Australian builders, Multiplex; Wembley Stadium Ltd; and the Football Association. No doubt, though, his private views of the costly delays have been forcibly conveyed. Consequently, relations have been eased to the extent that all parties now agree that continuing litigation is in no one's interests. What has to be settled now is the level of Multiplex's pay-off, with the FA waiving some of the late completion penalties, and the wording of contracts to clarify who is responsible for completing what parts of the £750 million stadium.

He says circumspectly: "Yes, I've been helping a bit. Some progress has been made, and the situation is looking more encouraging." Has he been banging heads together? "Let's say I've been persuading people to take a different perspective rather than staying on the back foot. When things don't go according to plan, at that point nobody is absolutely right and it is a question of helping them to see a way through."

It is a case of Wembley Revisited for Carter, who recalls: "In 2001, I was asked to look at the Commonwealth Games and put it on a sound financial footing. It was around that time that Wembley started to wobble. I was asked to have a look at this situation too, and we started from scratch to see how a deal could be put together."

The rest, as they say, is history. But history that went sour. Now Carter is back to sweeten things up again. He is, he will argue, more facilitator than fixer, as his experience in various business enterprises, including the medical group Westminster Health Care, which have made him a multimillionaire, indicates.

Arriving at Sport England, he admitted his working knowledge of mainstream sport was scant; he was received with some scepticism but proved a quick learner as well as a hatchet man, cutting the staff by more than a third and reshaping the role of the quango. So is Sport England where he wanted it to be after his four years? "The answer is yes. When I arrived it was a monolithic, highly centralised, bureaucratic organisation which had forgotten it was partly about sports development and had just turned into a sort of cash dispenser.

"It had to move closer to the customer, and I think we did that by regionalisation and making it a lot leaner. But it was quite a painful process. There are three ways the Government can intervene in sport: in schools, mass participation and funding elite sport. They are different businesses and needed a different approach. Now Sport England own community sport while elite sport is the province of UK Sport and schools are with the Department of Education. Now Sport England's role is clearer."

But surely it has diminished? Carter disagrees. "It is still the biggest cash distributor [ £263m this year from Exchequer and Lottery funding] most of it going to the community. We are all fascinated by our heroes and heroines but we don't have any if we don't get the grass roots right."

As a member of the the 2012 Legacy Board he was a valuable conduit between Lord Coe and the Government. Coe, he says, is a genius, but he admits concern about what the London Games legacy will be. "I'm not relaxed about it. I don't think anybody should be. The thing that Wembley has taught me - and Athens will teach anybody - is that time is staggeringly short. Above all, we have to make it a national event. Britain has to feel it has a legacy, not just London. We don't want white elephants. If there isn't a use for it, take it down."

Once the Wembley deal is sorted, Carter says he will take a break from sport and concentrate on his other interests, but no doubt the PM will soon be on the phone again. Last year Carter undertook three Governmental reviews: electronic tax, reforming legal aid and the future of pathology. A long way from sorting out volleyball - or even Wembley. "Yes, but some of the strategies are quite similar," he says. "Once sport was an embarrassment to the Government. Now it has begun to convince Government it is a worthy partner.

"I've met some extraordinarily good and challenging people in sport - and lots of the other kind, too, full of self-interest. One of the things about sport is that because of its combative nature it does have great difficulty in behaving collectively, to its detriment." It seems Wembley has been firmly reminded of this, now that it has got Carter.
 

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