Wendell Sailor, Mat Rogers and Lote Tuqiri to English Super league?

[Woods99]

Thats looking highly unlikely :lol:

Australia is the only country to win two World Cups. By the time the next one rolls around, we will put a highly competitive side on the paddock injuries permitting:

1. Benn Robinson
2. Tatafu Polata-Nau
3. David Fitter
4. Hugh McMenamin
5. Daniel Vickerman
6. Daniel Heenan
7. Phil Waugh
8. Toutai Kefu (c)
9. Matt Giteau
10. Kurtley Beale
11. Lote Tuqiri
12. Lloyd Johansson
13. Morgan Turinui
14. Clyde Rathbone
15. Drew Mitchell.

A couple of explanations. Toutai Kefu will be back from a couple of very easy seasons in Japan, absolutely raring to go back into Super 14 and the Wallabies squad. Kurtley Beale will play for the Waratahs in the 2007 Super 14 and will make a huge impact....more so than even Mark Ella when he hit the big time.

A lot depends on keeping these players fit, and for a couple of them (Benn Robinson for example) I am assuming that they will continue to improve physically and technically over the next two years.

Nobody writes the Wallabies off during a World Cup campaign.

 

[Jackal Dog]

Just what we need a over the hill player coming back into the team from Japan when we have youngsters raring to go.....

Woods99 you must be forgetting the fact that the kiwis, yarpies, welsh and frogs all have great depth too and their campaigns towards 07 are building momentum unlike ours which seems to be going backwards.

 

[bayrep]

Dont forget the Poms they will be smarting from the last 6 nations and having the majority of their players in the Lions tour that got hammered. The Poms will know what they have to do with 2 years before the RWC to defend it. With the Cup in France the Poms will treat it like the next best thing to a home away from home.

 

[ThrashViking]

Why would you put Giteau at halfback? That's just silly, he's a excellent world class 2nd five.
Australia start to need investing into depth & a national competition would be a excellent start.
What the heck are they doing with the money from 2003?

 

[aussies1st]

Tune will be close to the 13 jersey if he has a good season next year. If Smith goes well at 8 he may well be our next number 8. Julian Salvi is rated as a future 7 so he may crack the side.

 

[ThrashViking]

Tune is about 55 and has a bung knee, if he does start in France 07 he'll be running at the same pace as Matt Dunning.

 

[Scott]

Australia is the only country to win two World Cups. By the time the next one rolls around, we will put a highly competitive side on the paddock injuries permitting:

1. Benn Robinson
2. Tatafu Polata-Nau
3. David Fitter
4. Hugh McMenamin
5. Daniel Vickerman
6. Daniel Heenan
7. Phil Waugh
8. Toutai Kefu (c)
9. Matt Giteau
10. Kurtley Beale
11. Lote Tuqiri
12. Lloyd Johansson
13. Morgan Turinui
14. Clyde Rathbone
15. Drew Mitchell.

A couple of explanations. Toutai Kefu will be back from a couple of very easy seasons in Japan, absolutely raring to go back into Super 14 and the Wallabies squad. Kurtley Beale will play for the Waratahs in the 2007 Super 14 and will make a huge impact....more so than even Mark Ella when he hit the big time.

A lot depends on keeping these players fit, and for a couple of them (Benn Robinson for example) I am assuming that they will continue to improve physically and technically over the next two years.

Nobody writes the Wallabies off during a World Cup campaign.

Good luck with that team. Kefu - are you on drugs mate? Deadset, that team would never beat the Ivory Coast!

 

[aussies1st]

Tune was looking just fine in the super 12. He has way more speed now than some of our backs at full speed.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

There is no Superleague club or a NRL club that will be able to efford them . Unless Leeds has a deal with their sister club Leeds Tykes so they can all play both codes .
If its true (which It's not) then we would have heard something in the Australian media by now .

Any of those fomer Kangaroo's can still play in the NRL . If Darren Smith can still play well over his 30s Im sure Sailor can too.

 

[aussies1st]

I'm sure the English would have enough to buy one of them at least. Sailor was the highest paid when he came over to union at half a mill. Now that may have been increased but surely one of the Superleague clubs have that sort of money.

None of the NRL clubs can afford them so if they wanted to go back to the NRL they would have to accept much lower pay.

 

[taipan]

There is no Superleague club or a NRL club that will be able to efford them . Unless Leeds has a deal with their sister club Leeds Tykes so they can all play both codes .
If its true (which It's not) then we would have heard something in the Australian media by now .

Any of those fomer Kangaroo's can still play in the NRL . If Darren Smith can still play well over his 30s Im sure Sailor can too.

Thats bunkum,the ESuper League clubs whilst operating under salary caps,with the strength of the english pound against the aussie can afford them.Cripes they are paying A Johns about 500,000 for 1/2 doz games.ATM they want to play in the union world cup 2007,so they are not interested at present.
Tuqiri,and Rogers(when he is not getting injured) yes,Sailor ??? he is getting older and slower and heavier and the Broncs didnt push too hard to get him back ,when he was disillusioned when he first played union. Darren Smith,can create breaks with his ball carrying ability a by product of experience,Sailor is still bash and barge merchant and is not improving with age IMO

 

[lockyno1]

Just what we need a over the hill player coming back into the team from Japan when we have youngsters raring to go.....

So which youngters do you mean?:roll:

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Thats bunkum,the ESuper League clubs whilst operating under salary caps,with the strength of the english pound against the aussie can afford them.Cripes they are paying A Johns about 500,000 for 1/2 doz games.ATM they want to play in the union world cup 2007,so they are not interested at present.
Tuqiri,and Rogers(when he is not getting injured) yes,Sailor ??? he is getting older and slower and heavier and the Broncs didnt push too hard to get him back ,when he was disillusioned when he first played union. Darren Smith,can create breaks with his ball carrying ability a by product of experience,Sailor is still bash and barge merchant and is not improving with age IMO

Maybe Warrington had some money left to efford to pay Johns but to sign Johns on for a full contract would mean releasing a few players to pay for one .
They all want to play for 2007 RWC but even if they don't make it they might even consider playing and making alot of money in rugby overseas .
The Broncos have already had their hands full with all their current stars to efford to resign Sailor .
Sailor can create breaks with his ball carrying ability his bash barge merchant are alot better than some of currents I see playing in the NRL .

 

[taipan]

Maybe Warrington had some money left to efford to pay Johns but to sign Johns on for a full contract would mean releasing a few players to pay for one .
They all want to play for 2007 RWC but even if they don't make it they might even consider playing and making alot of money in rugby overseas .
The Broncos have already had their hands full with all their current stars to efford to resign Sailor .
Sailor can create breaks with his ball carrying ability his bash barge merchant are alot better than some of currents I see playing in the NRL .

I have already stated they want to play in te 2007WC.
Warrington is financed by one of the wealthiest blokes in GB,a rock promoter.If he could have got Johns for the full year he would have,and released players.The pound sterling is why a lot of NRL players go there compared to the Oz dollar.
The Broncos would not want to sign Sailor in the first place.He is getting past it in both union and league.With Webke retiring next year,and they are losing Mapp,Smith retiring,and others moving on,they will have money spare under the cap.If Lote was available ,and i believe he will be after 2007,then watch for the Broncos to move.He is a lot closer to the Broncs(and Bennett as he said so) than a rugby union club in say Japan mate.
Maybe Sailor doesnt have the stronger defence to contend with.

 

[eelandia]

That is the biggest lure for Australian Rugby Union....

Also a good excuse when teams lose re don't want to peak before the world cup. It would be nice to have some short term goals as well..

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

I think Sailor score more tries in the Kangaroo's colours than he did for the Wallabies . There's your defense .
Lote is more closer to his father than Bennett and it was his father who told him to go to NSW .
Lote also has alot of cousin's playing rugby in Japan than in Brisbane .

 

[Jackal Dog]

Out of the three Lote is the most likely to comeback after 07, Matt Rogers will just go with any club that shows him the money (that is the reason he left ain't it?) and Sailor will either retire or play for a rich Japanese/European club.

 

[taipan]

I think Sailor score more tries in the Kangaroo's colours than he did for the Wallabies . There's your defense .
Lote is more closer to his father than Bennett and it was his father who told him to go to NSW .
Lote also has alot of cousin's playing rugby in Japan than in Brisbane .

He rarely got the flippin ball in the first couple of years playing for the Wallabies,that was why he was disillusioned at first with his move,whereas the ball went wide to him when he played for the Roos.Whenever he gets the ball in union he almost always breaks the first and second line of defence.Theres your defence.
I hope Lote is closer to his father,but it was Lote who made the point when asked how long he had signed with the wallabies on his first contract.When told 3 years"His comment sh...t i thought it was 2".
I think playing NRL rugby league with the (high profile) Broncos on a decent contract,would be a little more inviting than a decent union contract in Japan,where the code is not anywhere near as high profile.It has become a retiremnt village for older footballers,and Lote wont be that old in 2008.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Money Talks now days Mate ! Players preferred to play in the English Superleague than the tri nations .
So much for profile .

Sailor also broke the first and second line of defence in league and was really good at it .
Tuqiri told Teivovo that it was his father's wish of seeing him playing rugby union that made his decision alot easier .

 

[Woods99]

He rarely got the flippin ball in the first couple of years playing for the Wallabies,that was why he was disillusioned at first with his move,whereas the ball went wide to him when he played for the Roos.Whenever he gets the ball in union he almost always breaks the first and second line of defence.Theres your defence.
I hope Lote is closer to his father,but it was Lote who made the point when asked how long he had signed with the wallabies on his first contract.When told 3 years"His comment sh...t i thought it was 2".

Do you honestly believe that Lote, who is obviously a fairly intelligent and well advised young man (with Wayne Bennett in his corner) didn't realise the length of contract that he had signed until a tv reporter asked him about it? Give him some credit for not being an absolute idiot, he was cracking a joke.

I think playing NRL rugby league with the (high profile) Broncos on a decent contract,would be a little more inviting than a decent union contract in Japan,where the code is not anywhere near as high profile.It has become a retiremnt village for older footballers,and Lote wont be that old in 2008.

I kind of think that Lote will stay in rugby union, he will continue to earn good money from the ARU. The only motivation I can see for going back to the Broncos, or to Japan would be because of family commitments, like Toutai Kefu.

And a lot depends on where he wants to live. One thing is for sure, the longer he plays for the Wallabies, the more off-field benefits he will get. Benefits that are just not available for rugby league players.