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Wests Tigers are a disgrace

crouching_tiger

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Pretty pathetic that a nation needs to rely on a player who has played less than 5 mins this season. Selection should be on current form. So what stats do the Kiwis have to select him from?
 

screeny

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But they're without Ropati (injured) and Leuleuai (unavailable); J. Smith has just had his rep career finished by Jones's comments this week about him being too slow and the problem behind Souths' winless start.

So who does that leave? Ben Roberts, who I'm a big fan of due to his kicking game; Lance Hohaia, who I'm not because he doesn't offer much more than steadiness, which is not the trait you want from an int'l half; Eddie Peaea, who's untested and who else?

I'd go for Marshall.
 

westie

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I think we see his point... But realise he is deluding himself and are trying to show him the light.

Put it this way. If Saints advised not to pick Scully for a game next week would you blow up?
 

deluded pom?

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I think we see his point... But realise he is deluding himself and are trying to show him the light.

Put it this way. If Saints advised not to pick Scully for a game next week would you blow up?


You'll have to put that in a way I can understand westie.
 

westie

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If a crocked player with a good reputation such as Scully were coming back from injury a week before the France game and D. Anderson advised that he would not be ready to carry a team - would you blow up at Saints for suggesting that there are better options?
 

shiznit

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If a crocked player with a good reputation such as Scully were coming back from injury a week before the France game and D. Anderson advised that he would not be ready to carry a team - would you blow up at Saints for suggesting that there are better options?
you should blow up...

i dont have much of a problem with what sheens actually said... i actually agree with him. and either way.. sheens can say what he likes... it shouldnt really have an effect on the kiwis coach or selector. they just need to ignore it and do whats best for the kiwis and pick him or not pick him.

but i think what ECT is saying is right.... club coaches should stay well away from speculating on rep selection.

if hes available then hes able to be picked. its that easy.
 
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But they're without Ropati (injured) and Leuleuai (unavailable); J. Smith has just had his rep career finished by Jones's comments this week about him being too slow and the problem behind Souths' winless start.

So who does that leave? Ben Roberts, who I'm a big fan of due to his kicking game; Lance Hohaia, who I'm not because he doesn't offer much more than steadiness, which is not the trait you want from an int'l half; Eddie Peaea, who's untested and who else?

I'd go for Marshall.

What if Marshall comes back and is plays worse football than a Rangi Chase or a Ben Roberts, the kid has played 5 minutes of football all season, and touched the ball less than 5 times, Sheens has every right to say that you should give him game time before making him a certainty, if he said "Their is only one option for the 5/8 position, and that's Benji Marshall" nobody would care, to prove it, people from the Broncos said the same thing about Darren Lockyer for the Australian 5/8 spot (that he's a must) and nobody is saying they're a disgrace for influencing rep selections, so why is Sheens a disgrace for being cautious.
 

innsaneink

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One-eyed club fans can't crawl out of that cesspool that is the NRL forum once in a blue moon and think they will have any credibility on the international forum. Just slink back and take your abuse with you.

Whhhoooo, how many runged stirrups you riding on?
 

deluded pom?

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If a crocked player with a good reputation such as Scully were coming back from injury a week before the France game and D. Anderson advised that he would not be ready to carry a team - would you blow up at Saints for suggesting that there are better options?


I would blow up at Anderson trying to tell the England coach who he can and can't pick no matter which player it was. Scully is a bad example because for me he's finished at club level let alone international level.
 
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Patched-up Benji may sidestep Kiwis call

Jacquelin Magnay | April 28, 2008

WESTS TIGERS five-eighth Benji Marshall has said he will rule himself out of New Zealand Test representation if he doesn't feel his form meets international standard.
Marshall returned to the paddock against Cronulla yesterday and was initially hesitant, hiding out in the centres and reluctant to take the ball to the defensive line. Marshall said he would give himself another match to impress both the selectors and himself - when Wests Tigers play Brisbane on Friday night - before deciding if he would make himself available to play for the Kiwis.
"Last year in the Test match I was underdone and I didn't have a good game, and I don't want to be underdone again," Marshall said. "If I feel that I am not playing at Test level then I am going to say it. It is about honesty."
Marshall's medial ligament knee injury, suffered in his first touch of the ball in round one this season, was still firmly on his mind yesterday. While match fitness didn't appear to be an issue, confidence in surviving tackles most certainly was. Adding to the pressure was the fact the Sharks' enforcer Paul Gallen, fired up after spending some time on the sidelines, appeared to be targeting him.
"I wasn't looking for him, but if he was in front of me I was going to run at him, but no, I wasn't looking especially for him," Gallen said.
Marshall was more concerned about the strange feeling he was experiencing in his knee rather than being crushed under the weight of the Sharks' big men.
"It didn't feel right, it was a weird feeling, I had done all the training and the rehab and it felt all right but out on the field … I can't explain it," Marshall said.
Marshall had the team doctor check the knee during the half-time break, and the doctor pushed and pulled rigorously enough to convince Marshall that all was fine.
In the second half Marshall became more involved. "I wanted to have a run and take them on, and I got through it," he said. "It was nothing, far from flash, but I got a bit of confidence. Stepping was the main thing I was worried about."
Certainly, in the final 10 minutes of yesterday's match, Marshall showed glimpses of the swerving, slippery player of old. Coach Tim Sheens said Marshall would "have to improve a lot to play for New Zealand based on what I saw", but was happy that his key player got through the match unscathed.
"He played for 80 minutes and they certainly worked him over," Sheens said. "I am more concerned about him playing next week because it is a short week."
Meanwhile, Tigers hooker Robbie Farah said he would have been happy to take the field against the Sharks but medical staff want him to rest his back injury for a further week and take advantage of the subsequent bye to ensure a full recovery.
Farah said he was still hopeful of pressing for a State of Origin berth, perhaps for game two or three. "I felt I could have played but the medical staff keep telling me to be patient because it is a long year," he said.
"I would have liked to have come back but as a precaution I will wait until after the bye. I have written off playing for City, obviously, but if I can't prove myself for game one of Origin then I want to try and be there for any of the other two. I am sure there will be some opportunities there."

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Now Benji himself says he'll pull out if he doesn't feel he's playing well enough after a second game. It seems that Tim Sheens wasn't alone in saying the selectors should give him a few games before deciding whether to select him or not.
 

hybrid_tiger

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They were looking after their own interets at the expense of international football.
Now they're trying to influence NZ selection.

And?

Why is this a problem?

They pay his expensive wages, so they've got every right to look after their own interests.

He should not be playing. Has played one match all season and is not ready to be bashed by Australian forwards.

Tough sh1t. Pick someone else.
 

Bezant

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Please people lets get one thing straight because it is just plain misleading that this myth is perpetuated....

the clubs do not pay the players wages...thats right...they DO NOT...

they use money generated from the TV deal negotiated (poorly) by the NRL cover payment to the players. Not one club would survive without the NRL grant.

Following on from this why does the NRL get the TV deal...its not because of any one club but because we, Rugby League supporters, are willing to subject ourselves to advertising in order to view the game we love.

Therefore one club saying that the players, that it pays from the money it receives indirectly from the fans of the whole game, cannot play a representative game because of its specific interests they are taking all other fans of Rugby League, who do not support that particular club, for a ride.

That's right they are ripping us off. I thought Rugby League was a great leveler. No one player is bigger than the game, no one coach is bigger than the game and no one club is either. If you are part of the the Rugby League community and you are willing to take advantage of the benefits it provides (in the case of clubs accepting the NRL grant) then you also must bear the responsibilities....

otherwise you are simply acting like a selfish bastard who doesn't deserve to belong. It's about time the RLIF, NRL & ESL disciplined some of their wayward 'children' who are just acting like selfish brats when it comes to the overall interests of all Rugby League fans.

I for one am sick of continually being ripped off by selfish clubs who devalue my support for the game by not allowing the best players to play representative football.

In saying that I must also make clear that if Benji does not feel up to the game he has every right to say he is not fit. It's just that that decision should have nothing to do with any future club commitments but rather his commitment to Rugby League in New Zealand.
 

simmo1

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It doesn't matter if he plays or not. If the Kiwis are that desperate for a bloke who's barely strung together 5 games of a footy in a row in the last 3 years, then they're f**ked already.

I know its NZ we're talking about, but SURELY theres someone better.
 

Digeze

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Far out...why so many people getting their knickers in a knot?

At the end of the day it is going to be Benji's decision if he puts his hand up or not.

Sheens can't stop him. Wests Tigers supporters can't stop him.

Everyone CAN have an opinion though....i'm pretty sure this is still one of the countries where you can open your mouth and have a say? Who cares what Sheens, the media, the supporters, other New Zealand players think about whether he should/shouldn't play.

The whole thread is about Sheens stopping Benji from playing...Sheens isn't stopping Benji, he is only having an opinion. How does that make the "Wests Tigers are a disgrace"?
 

hutch

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i have heard that benji is out this weekend due to his knee, it would be fairly irresponsible of nz to pick him with one game under his belt. however..

what ect is saying is right. the clubs should have NO say over a player playing fortheir country. until we have a mid season break in order to play rep footy (all countries, not just aus/nz/eng/fran), clubs will always stand in the way. the rlif should be more powerful than the nrl/sl, but it is just not going to happen under the current arl dominated admin.
 
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FMD some people are just plain thick.

I have no idea why you singled Tim Sheens out.

Wayne Bennett "There is only one option for the Australian 5/8 roll, Darren Lockyer"

Tim Sheens "Let Benji play a couple of games before deciding whether to pick him or not"

Which coach is putting more pressure/influence on International selectors?
 

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