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Fordy20

Fordy20

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TheDefinitionOfMadness said:
If you'd like a bit of player analysis around why the Tigers are sucking once they get into the red zone go onto youtube and have a search for levels podcast. It is the episode uploaded on Tuesday. Go to the 2 hr 4 min mark where a fan has posed the question.

Pretty interesting stuff.
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Thanks for recommending it and for posting the timestamp. I wouldn't have the patience to sit around for 2 hours to get to the bit I wanted to hear.

One thing that was satisfying for me to finally get an explanation of the old cliche "over playing his hand". I remember it being wheeled out when people were criticising Robbie Farah, but the only people I heard using it were just repeating the cliche, because asking what it meant or for an example was a surefire way to shutdown a conversation. I noticed Horo checked himself before uttering the whole cliche too.

Considering this was before the Warriors match, I thought it was a pretty fair assessment of Api, Luai and Doeuihi. They echoed our thoughts that Api and our forwards are clearly getting the job done in the middle because we are constantly getting into the red zone. They pointed out Api is a creative and instinctive player, so you've got to be paying attention and go with him when he's seizing opportunies. They also acknowledged that Api's accuracy isn't always great and that it can take time away from the halves when he takes a step or two instead of passing from the deck, but that's a sacrifice you make when you go with a playmaking hooker.

I thought the lads gave good solutions as well. Horo said the clunkiness on Doeuihi's edge could be solved by better communication. That as the halfback, Doueihi needs to stand up and take responsibility and demand the ball. He's more likely to get it too if he's organising his edge players properly as well so they are in position to provide options and capitalise on opportunities. Although they said Luai's edge was fine, Mace also mentioned that Luai could be a bit deeper too. People were giving it to Laulili'i the other week for being out of position for Luai's passes, but I reckon he was fine, it's just that Luai was flat. Whether it's coaching or personal preference, it doesn't matter, we can't afford to play that flat in the opposition 20. It leads to ineffectual windscreen wiper attack that teams just eat up.

Overrall I reckon they are right on the money. Api is doing his job. He's providing creativity and spark in the middle. He and our forwards combine well to get us into good field position. He's not going to be throwing lasers off the deck, but he shouldn't need to. Our halves should be capable of capitalising on that field position and manufacturing points. Points would come easier if the halves played deeper, communicated and organised better.
 
Tigerm

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Fordy20 said:
Thanks for recommending it and for posting the timestamp. I wouldn't have the patience to sit around for 2 hours to get to the bit I wanted to hear.

One thing that was satisfying for me to finally get an explanation of the old cliche "over playing his hand". I remember it being wheeled out when people were criticising Robbie Farah, but the only people I heard using it were just repeating the cliche, because asking what it meant or for an example was a surefire way to shutdown a conversation. I noticed Horo checked himself before uttering the whole cliche too.

Considering this was before the Warriors match, I thought it was a pretty fair assessment of Api, Luai and Doeuihi. They echoed our thoughts that Api and our forwards are clearly getting the job done in the middle because we are constantly getting into the red zone. They pointed out Api is a creative and instinctive player, so you've got to be paying attention and go with him when he's seizing opportunies. They also acknowledged that Api's accuracy isn't always great and that it can take time away from the halves when he takes a step or two instead of passing from the deck, but that's a sacrifice you make when you go with a playmaking hooker.

I thought the lads gave good solutions as well. Horo said the clunkiness on Doeuihi's edge could be solved by better communication. That as the halfback, Doueihi needs to stand up and take responsibility and demand the ball. He's more likely to get it too if he's organising his edge players properly as well so they are in position to provide options and capitalise on opportunities. Although they said Luai's edge was fine, Mace also mentioned that Luai could be a bit deeper too. People were giving it to Laulili'i the other week for being out of position for Luai's passes, but I reckon he was fine, it's just that Luai was flat. Whether it's coaching or personal preference, it doesn't matter, we can't afford to play that flat in the opposition 20. It leads to ineffectual windscreen wiper attack that teams just eat up.

Overrall I reckon they are right on the money. Api is doing his job. He's providing creativity and spark in the middle. He and our forwards combine well to get us into good field position. He's not going to be throwing lasers off the deck, but he shouldn't need to. Our halves should be capable of capitalising on that field position and manufacturing points. Points would come easier if the halves played deeper, communicated and organised better.
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TBF, they've hardly played any football together and they've only had two games together this season. They will sort it out with Benji.
 
Tiger05

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Tigerm said:
TBF, they've hardly played any football together and they've only had two games together this season. They will sort it out with Benji.
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I thought they just were stating points without watching the game. I was critical of Api in the trial game but I think his service has been good all regular season games.
 
Fordy20

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Tigerm said:
TBF, they've hardly played any football together and they've only had two games together this season. They will sort it out with Benji.
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That's true, but it all feels academic anyway after Jock Madden's performance against the Warriors. I never expected it after how poor him and Doueihi were at the back end of 2022. It seemed the three years at the Broncos being mentored by Adam Reynolds has had really paid off because Madden looked great playing as a dominant halfback, especially playing both sides of the ruck. TBF a lot of that comes down to how well the pack wrested control of the game back because very few halves look good without the forwards giving them a platform to work off.

I'm keen to see how he goes again on Monday, but at the moment, I'd be keeping Madden at halfback when Luai returns and get Latu used to working with Attard and Andrews in the NSW Cup. That would allow Doueihi to be on the bench to make best use of his versatility.
 
Fordy20

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HBG under the microscope again Sydney Morning Herald

The owner of Wests Tigers is facing a fresh investigation into a decades-old system that gives 20 people effective control of a $100 million leagues club operation and the NRL joint venture.

The Holman Barnes Group has a 90 per cent stake in the Tigers and holds the balance of power on the NRL team’s board, as well as running the Wests Ashfield club.

Plagued by internal strife during the past 18 months, with four directors axed and banned for a combined 23 years at the poker machine empire.

HBG was cleared by Liquor and Gaming NSW in July after an initial probe into a complaint of board misconduct and governance failures at the organisation, which was formerly known as Western Suburbs Leagues Club.

However, the state’s clubs regulator said it was investigating again.

“Liquor and Gaming NSW is looking into complaints between December 2025 and January 2026 about the Western Suburbs Leagues Club,” a spokesperson said.

“These complaints relate to the operation of a debenture system and the club’s compliance with the Registered Clubs Act 1976.

“As these inquiries are ongoing, no further comment can be made at this stage.”

A HBG spokesperson said it had “complied with all requests from Liquor and Gaming NSW dating back to late 2024, providing detailed responses and supporting information to their satisfaction”.

“We were informed last year that there was no further action to be taken at the time,” the spokesperson said.

“Any subsequent complaints appear to be an extension of the scope of the original complaints, and we will be treating those in full co-operation with the regulator. We take all such matters with utmost professional compliance and will act in accordance with all regulatory requirements.”

HBG is believed to be the only registered club in NSW to continue to operate such a system, in which five of seven board positions must be filled by 20 so-called debenture holders and the club’s 28,500 members can only vote on the remaining two spots.

The system originated in 1955 with founding members issued with debentures in return for providing $100 each to get the club off the ground.

The debentures are non-transferrable. HBG said they could not be assigned, sold or passed on, including to a relative after a holder’s death, and vacancies were filled by a process in which candidates were considered by a selection committee and the board had final approval. The selection committee is appointed by the board.

Liquor and Gaming NSW last year found the debenture system “to be lawful and not to confer any unlawful or undue advantage to members”.

But it is under the microscope again following a year of upheaval in 2025 in which HBG chair Julie Romero was ousted in a boardroom coup and long-time chief executive Simon Cook also departed.

In December, HBG then axed Tigers chairman Barry O’Farrell and three other Tigers independent directors, who had been installed after a governance review and had held the majority on the board.

HBG cited nadequate communication as their reason for intervening before reinstating the independent directors at the request of the NRL.

But HBG’s representation on the board was increased, ensuring it has the numbers to call the shots despite former NSW premier O’Farrell being chairman.

According to corporate records only two of the independents – O’Farrell and Michelle McDowell – still sit on what is now an eight-member Tigers board.

Tigers chief executive Shane Richardson, who had delivered the club’s first profit in a decade, quit in response to the board shake-up, walking away with a seven-figure payout after just 18 months of a four-year contract.

HBG also settled late last year with former director Rick Wayde after he brought Supreme Court action against it.

Asked about the cost of legal fees and payouts during the past year, the HBG spokesperson said it “does not publicly disclose commercially sensitive information, including legal costs or employment-related payments, unless required to do so under applicable law or regulatory obligations, which in this case it is not required to do so”.
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Tiger05

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Tiger05 said:
I thought they just were stating points without watching the game. I was critical of Api in the trial game but I think his service has been good all regular season games.
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I'm going to quote my own post but have you noticed this isn't an issue all of a sudden. My take is the same as what I initially stated. Those commentators weren't watching the game. They were just making something up and running with it.
 
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