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What a joke

Moffo

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I saw the last 5 minutes of the Frremantle/Saints game before the league started today and can someone explain to me how the f**k something like that happened?

What a joke, the full time whistle went and they were allowed to play on?? Surely the result will get reversed?
 

camsmith

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Not funny when you have a bit of money on it.

Also not funny when you hate (with a passion) the team that escaped with 2 points which they didn't deserve to get.
 

lockyno1

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camsmith said:
Not funny when you have a bit of money on it.

Also not funny when you hate (with a passion) the team that escaped with 2 points which they didn't deserve to get.

Meh...I hate Freo so I didn't mind really. Although Freo deserved to win, it was their fault it got so close! They led by 20 points with 5 minutes to go! That's choking!:lol:
 

Twizzle

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League launches probe
Sportal

The AFL has launched an official investigation into the controversial finish to the St Kilda-Fremantle clash in Launceston on Sunday.

The league refused to be drawn on Sunday night into whether the official result - a draw - would stand after St Kilda kicked a behind through Steven Baker after the umpires failed to hear the final siren with the Dockers one point in front.

Fremantle launched an official protest following the game after coach Chris Connolly and chief executive Cameron Schwab stated their team should have won the game given they were leading when time officially elapsed.

However no decision on the final outcome of the match is expected now until Monday at the earliest.

"The AFL is conducting an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the end of the match in Launceston between St Kilda and Fremantle, following a complaint received by the Fremantle Football Club after the match," AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said in a released statement from the league on Sunday night.

The AFL refused to discuss any of the details of the controversial finish, following a meeting between league heavyweights on Sunday night, only adding to its statement that 'there will be no further update from the AFL this evening'.

The drama unfolded when the siren - which was quiet throughout the course of the match - was not heard by field umpire Matthew Nicholls with the Saints trailing by one point but deep in attack.

The Dockers players heard the siren with Byron Schammer clearly seen telling the umpire the siren had sounded and that Fremantle had won the game as the umpire prepared to re-start play, having called for a bounce.

Play then continued for about 15 seconds as Fremantle players surrounded the umpires telling them the game was over.

As play continued the Saints then won the clearance with the ball ending in the hands of Baker, whose shot at goal missed but levelled the scores.

Incredibly, as chaos ensued with Fremantle coach Connolly and key officials already on the ground protesting, Baker was offered another kick having been bumped illegally after his shot at goal.

His initial behind was cancelled, with the Dockers thinking they had been awarded the match as a result, but Baker had another shot and missed again with the game being declared a draw at 94 points apiece, denying the Dockers what would have been their first ever win in Tasmania.

Under AFL rules a game or a quarter is not declared over until the umpire has heard the siren and signalled the end of the game or quarter.

In the past this had led to countless debates about whether certain goals should have been awarded from marks taken right on the siren at quarter, half and three-quarter-time, given that often those marks have been taken after the siren has sounded but before the umpire could signal the end the quarter.

However it is rare for play to continue after the final siren has sounded and for the outcome of a match to be changed as a result as the siren is supposed to continue sounding until the umpires hear it.

The last time this occurred was in the 1980 night grand final when Kerry Good kicked the winning goal for North Melbourne against Collingwood to give the Roos' a three-point win when the umpires failed to hear the final siren.

On that occasion, Malcolm Blight had the ball in the middle of Waverley Park - just before he kicked it to the leading Good with Collingwood in front by three points.

The result of that game stood but there is a precedent for the result of a league game to be overturned on appeal but it happened more than a century ago and ironically also involved St Kilda.

It was in the opening round of 1900 and St Kilda was awarded a victory over Melbourne on protest - their first ever win in the competition having lost every match in their first three seasons - after the game had initially been declared a draw.

The league awarded the game to the Saints some six days later after ruling that the field umpire had wrongly allowed a mark to be paid to Melbourne's captain after the final siren.

A behind was then scored, making the game a draw but the league ruled the point should be cancelled with the Saints awarded a one-point win.

http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=81813

hopefully sanity prevails and the decision gets reversed

the Dockers won fair and square
 

meltiger

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It won't get reversed.


Sports Tab have already paid out on the result, the aFL will get sued if they change the result now.
 

lockyno1

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meltiger said:
It won't get reversed.


Sports Tab have already paid out on the result, the aFL will get sued if they change the result now.

BINGO Tiger, well said!
 

camsmith

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Yeah my bet says it has been decided and i have not got my money.
Although i hear some betting agencies ahve paid both the draw and the freo win (unfortuantly not the one i use)

SEN just had an update, there will be a media conference at 5pm today. We should know alot more after that.

I dont see Fremantle getting the win, unless that other umpire who ran all the way from the otherside of the ground either put his arms up to signal the end or somehow heard it.. i have no idea but i think freo have about a 5% chance of changing the result.
 

meltiger

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The AFL apparently sent a fax to SportsTab an hour after the game confirming the result as a draw.

I find it exceptionally hard to believe that the AFL could change the result now without a lawsuit happening.
 

camsmith

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Yep got an email from centrebet, i wont be winning. Dont know what will happen if the result is changed.

Some news just in:

Decision on Wednesday
5:00:01 PM Mon 1 May, 2006
Sportal for afl.com.au
A meeting of the AFL commission on Wednesday afternoon will determine the outcome of Sunday's controversial drawn match between St Kilda and Fremantle at Aurora Stadium.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said at a media conference on Monday afternoon that league investigations officer Allan Roberts had consulted timekeepers and other staff on Monday about the events at the match, in which the Saints snatched a late draw after the field umpires failed to hear the final siren.

Anderson said the AFL commission was empowered with determining the outcome of the match because it had final authority to deal with the rules of the game.

And the commission will be given until Wednesday in order for both the Saints and Dockers to be given enough time to properly present their cases to the AFL.
 

Twizzle

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Decision on Wednesday
Sportal

Fremantle could yet be awarded the four points from Sunday's controversial match against St Kilda in Launceston with the outcome of the game to be determined by the AFL Commission on Wednesday.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson, in announcing the special hearing on Monday, said the current result - a draw - did not stand at present but he refused to be drawn on whether the match could be awarded to the Dockers.

Fremantle led by a point when time officially elapsed but the league confirmed on Monday that none of the three field umpires heard the final siren while the timekeeper had not followed AFL rules by continuing to sound the siren until the umpires acknowledged they had heard it and signalled the end of the match.

As a result play continued for about an extra 15 seconds and during that time St Kilda scored the match-tying behind through Steven Baker to leave the match tied at 94 points apiece.

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The AFL has completed its investigation into the incident - which both clubs will receive ahead of Wednesday's meeting - with both clubs then given the opportunity to put their cases to the nine-member commission, which will decide the outcome of the game.

Anderson admitted on Monday the result of the game - with both clubs currently having been allocated two points each on the league ladder - would be up in the air until Wednesday.

"How the match stands at the moment is not relevant because the outcome of the match and the allocation of the points is something that will be finalised by the AFL Commission after it conducts a hearing on Wednesday," Anderson said.

"It is essential we get the correct result of that match."

The Dockers have already welcomed the chance to convince the AFL Commission of their right to the four points and have indicated they will use legal representation to get the win they feel they were denied on Sunday.

"The Fremantle Football Club welcomes the opportunity to present its case to the AFL commission," the Dockers said in a prepared statement.

"Fremantle president Rick Hart and chief executive Cameron Schwab will be in attendance and it is also likely the club will have legal representation in accordance with AFL directions in relation to the conduct of the meeting."

The Dockers refused to comment on their chances of being awarded the four points on Monday but were in no doubt after the game that the result of the game should be changed in their favour.

"The game's finished. We're in front. We want the four points," Fremantle coach Chris Connolly said on Sunday.

"This is unacceptable. I just hope common sense prevails."

The Dockers also have a precedent in their favour, although it happened more than a century ago when St Kilda was awarded a game on protest against Melbourne in the first round of 1900.

In remarkably similarly circumstances the Saints protested to the then VFL that the match - which ended in a draw - should be awarded to them as Melbourne's match-tying behind was illegally scored after the final siren.

The VFL took six days to make a decision but agreed with the Saints and awarded them a one-point victory.

The Saints refused to comment on the issue on Monday but are in no doubt the result of the game should stand as current AFL rules indicate a game is not finished until the umpire hears the final siren and signals the end of the game - which occurred with the scores level on Sunday.

Anderson admitted the whole scenario - which potentially affects every other team in the competition given the result of the game could have a huge bearing at season's end on such crucial areas of the competition such as which teams make the finals, which teams earn the double chance and which teams earn the right to home finals - was disappointing.

"This is a very disappointing situation for the AFL to find itself in," Anderson said.

"There has been a serious error which has thrown into doubt the result of a match.

"The field umpires have confirmed with our investigators that they did not hear the siren on the first occasion that it was blown and that is what gave rise to the situation which arose.

"(And) the timekeeper made an error as he did not continue to hold down the siren (until the umpires heard it) as he is required to under the laws of Australian football."

Anderson said the matter would be decided on Wednesday to give the two clubs 'fair and adequate opportunity to put any submissions they want to put to the AFL commission'.

He denied the delay in settling the result of the match would affect St Kilda and Fremantle's preparations for huge games this weekend against the Bulldogs and West Coast respectively.

"The AFL and the clubs won't be rushed on such an important issue," he said.

"We are talking about the result of a match here, there are not too many things more important in football than the outcome of a match so this has to be considered thoroughly and the AFL commission is the body to do that."

The AFL did not respond to questions about other issues that could potentially arise out of the controversy such as how it affects betting agencies - which have already paid out on a drawn match - and whether they feared legal action from either St Kilda or Fremantle depending on what decision the AFL Commission reaches on Wednesday.

http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=81850
 

chileman

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Twizzle said:
Decision on Wednesday
Sportal

Fremantle could yet be awarded the four points from Sunday's controversial match against St Kilda in Launceston with the outcome of the game to be determined by the AFL Commission on Wednesday.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson, in announcing the special hearing on Monday, said the current result - a draw - did not stand at present but he refused to be drawn on whether the match could be awarded to the Dockers.

Fremantle led by a point when time officially elapsed but the league confirmed on Monday that none of the three field umpires heard the final siren while the timekeeper had not followed AFL rules by continuing to sound the siren until the umpires acknowledged they had heard it and signalled the end of the match.

As a result play continued for about an extra 15 seconds and during that time St Kilda scored the match-tying behind through Steven Baker to leave the match tied at 94 points apiece.

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The AFL has completed its investigation into the incident - which both clubs will receive ahead of Wednesday's meeting - with both clubs then given the opportunity to put their cases to the nine-member commission, which will decide the outcome of the game.

Anderson admitted on Monday the result of the game - with both clubs currently having been allocated two points each on the league ladder - would be up in the air until Wednesday.

"How the match stands at the moment is not relevant because the outcome of the match and the allocation of the points is something that will be finalised by the AFL Commission after it conducts a hearing on Wednesday," Anderson said.

"It is essential we get the correct result of that match."

The Dockers have already welcomed the chance to convince the AFL Commission of their right to the four points and have indicated they will use legal representation to get the win they feel they were denied on Sunday.

"The Fremantle Football Club welcomes the opportunity to present its case to the AFL commission," the Dockers said in a prepared statement.

"Fremantle president Rick Hart and chief executive Cameron Schwab will be in attendance and it is also likely the club will have legal representation in accordance with AFL directions in relation to the conduct of the meeting."

The Dockers refused to comment on their chances of being awarded the four points on Monday but were in no doubt after the game that the result of the game should be changed in their favour.

"The game's finished. We're in front. We want the four points," Fremantle coach Chris Connolly said on Sunday.

"This is unacceptable. I just hope common sense prevails."

The Dockers also have a precedent in their favour, although it happened more than a century ago when St Kilda was awarded a game on protest against Melbourne in the first round of 1900.

In remarkably similarly circumstances the Saints protested to the then VFL that the match - which ended in a draw - should be awarded to them as Melbourne's match-tying behind was illegally scored after the final siren.

The VFL took six days to make a decision but agreed with the Saints and awarded them a one-point victory.

The Saints refused to comment on the issue on Monday but are in no doubt the result of the game should stand as current AFL rules indicate a game is not finished until the umpire hears the final siren and signals the end of the game - which occurred with the scores level on Sunday.

Anderson admitted the whole scenario - which potentially affects every other team in the competition given the result of the game could have a huge bearing at season's end on such crucial areas of the competition such as which teams make the finals, which teams earn the double chance and which teams earn the right to home finals - was disappointing.

"This is a very disappointing situation for the AFL to find itself in," Anderson said.

"There has been a serious error which has thrown into doubt the result of a match.

"The field umpires have confirmed with our investigators that they did not hear the siren on the first occasion that it was blown and that is what gave rise to the situation which arose.

"(And) the timekeeper made an error as he did not continue to hold down the siren (until the umpires heard it) as he is required to under the laws of Australian football."

Anderson said the matter would be decided on Wednesday to give the two clubs 'fair and adequate opportunity to put any submissions they want to put to the AFL commission'.

He denied the delay in settling the result of the match would affect St Kilda and Fremantle's preparations for huge games this weekend against the Bulldogs and West Coast respectively.

"The AFL and the clubs won't be rushed on such an important issue," he said.

"We are talking about the result of a match here, there are not too many things more important in football than the outcome of a match so this has to be considered thoroughly and the AFL commission is the body to do that."

The AFL did not respond to questions about other issues that could potentially arise out of the controversy such as how it affects betting agencies - which have already paid out on a drawn match - and whether they feared legal action from either St Kilda or Fremantle depending on what decision the AFL Commission reaches on Wednesday.

http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=81850
What a mess! :roll:
 

meltiger

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All I can say is the f**king siren better be fixed by June 18 before Richmond have to play down there.
 

chileman

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meltiger said:
All I can say is the f**king siren better be fixed by June 18 before Richmond have to play down there.
A couple of 1000 bourbans and I'm sure you can make a loud fantom siren amigo ;-) :p
 

CyberKev

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meltiger said:
LOL not if Richmond's 1 point down I won't be!

Potential adverse fallout?

The siren goes and the umpire acknowledges, with this acknowledgement signalling the end of the game. Apparently that is how the system works, or should work.

If you can manufacture a good phantom siren, who would back against an ultra-sensitive umpire rushing into acknowledgement mode.

Not a good thing for a side less than a kick down and going into attack finding the match suddenly grinding to a halt 30 seconds early.
 

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