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What is wrong with basketball in this country?

NPK

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Australian basketball just isn't that exciting to me. The quality isn't that good in general...the best players are generally NBA rejects.
 

Big Bunny

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Kids loved basketball in the early 90's but the problem is that they were only just starting to get educated about it, and they didn't know good basketball from bad, at least not to the level they do now. The NBA today is all about franchises and highly marketed stars, who rarely have less than 3-4 clubs in a career. It's dull. The NBL whilst getting better every year is still seeing only a small trickle of new talent each year that one can get excited about. 2-3 players max, and those are generally the cream from the AIS and the NCAA.

Me, I like the Kings but mostly I only watch the NCAA and follow the progress of the Aussies there. Guys like Aaron Bruce, Aleks Maric, Matthew Knight, Daniel Kickert, Luke Nevill, Ben Allen and Alex Loughton are exciting to watch, and they are the future of the Boomers. There's only a few players from the NBL or Europe I'd put beside them, with those being David Andersen (CSKA Moscow), CJ Bruton, Chris Anstey and Mark Worthington.
 

fanatique

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1 Need free to air. That is the oxygen all growing sports need

2 Marketing. Aus is arguably the toughest sports market in the worls to break with AFL huge, NRL nearly as big, Union huge, soccer trying to get in on the act etc etc.

3 Coat tail the NBA. In an age of worldwide television with NBA available to everyone who wnats it it is just as unlikely that Bball fans will ignore NBA as soccer fans ignore EPL. Not going to happen since they are the superstar leagues in the two world games. You hope for people to be NBL fans AS WELL as NBA fans cos they are not going to stop watching the NBA.
 

The Observer

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Was thinking about the issue in the advent of the 2008 NBL finals. Although the finals attracted some media interest in Sydney and the sold out, due to the Kings involved, the main headlines were the Kings and Bullets being up for sale.

Some people have said the switch to summer in 1998-1999 coincided with the decline in crowds. The NBL probably had to move due to competition from RL/RU/AFL. Nevertheless, basketball is going to face the challenge of getting people to watch games indoors in summer.

Here's a radical suggestion, but why don't the NBL look at more teams playing in open air arenas if/when the weather is fine? More people might want to go to games if they weren't cooped up indoors. I concede the weather is unpredictable, and Australia has had two very wet summers, but there are some multi purpose venues that could work.

In Melbourne, Rod Laver Arena is the perfect example of a venue that could host open air NBL, and has a retractable roof which could close in the rain. On a warm night, or even sunny afternoon, NBL could take advantage of that. The Arena attracted 14000 people in 1992. Are there other venues aroun the country that could host outfoor games?

OTOH should NBL look at having short outdoor weekend tournaments during summer, be it 5 man, half court or 3-on-3, involving all the NBL teams? These could be short, sharp and exciting, work a bit like Rugby 7s, 20-20 cricket, Beac Footy or Beach Cricket, attract people that usually don't follow basketball.
 

taste2taste

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I can only speak for my self but here's why i stopped watching the NBL

1 - the NBA is so easily accesible. Between the net and fox showing 3 games a week why would you want to watch the NBL when you can so easily watch the best players in the world.

2 - Zone defence, it isnt so true nowadays since the NBA has allowed the zone, but because of the zone the NBL became a jump shot league. No exciting drives to the basket or explosive post up battles, teams just drippled down court threw up a deep jumper and it was boring. If the NBA doesnt watch out the same thing will happen there to.

3 - The NBL is such an eye sore, there's more advertising per square meter on an NBL court then there is any where else on the earth. Its hard to see any basketball being played through all the sponsors logos

4 - Who are the players? i dont want to go and watch a bunch of blokes who i've never heard of. Remember the D-Train, Kenny McLary the small bloke with blonde hair..Morrison i think his name was and the center the man mountain.
 

axl rose

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taste2taste said:
3 - The NBL is such an eye sore, there's more advertising per square meter on an NBL court then there is any where else on the earth. Its hard to see any basketball being played through all the sponsors logos

4 - Who are the players?

Back in my mid 90's high school days every second kid had a Charlotte Hornets cap. Do teens still follow the NBA these days? anyone in high school around here?

I agree with you about the ads on the court, ive heard this complaint from people alot. I know they need the money but it looks terrible.

They need a few personalities & rivalries. When Sydney plays Melbourne why should i turn up? they need to motivate average joes like me. Maybe get a player to come out and trash talk the opposition or tell me why the teams hate each other. Anything really to stimulate some interest. It all seems a little nice compared to the full contact sports.
 

El Coconuto

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taste2taste said:
4 - Who are the players? i dont want to go and watch a bunch of blokes who i've never heard of. Remember the D-Train, Kenny McLary the small bloke with blonde hair..Morrison i think his name was and the center the man mountain.

Tim Morresy? He writes for the Daily Telegraph now. Ugh! What a list of names. Back when the NBL had personalities. Dwayne McClain through to Leon Trimmingham was the golden era for Sydney, in terms of fan base.
 

Stonecutter

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axl rose said:
Back in my mid 90's high school days every second kid had a Charlotte Hornets cap. Do teens still follow the NBA these days? anyone in high school around here?

I agree with you about the ads on the court, ive heard this complaint from people alot. I know they need the money but it looks terrible.

They need a few personalities & rivalries. When Sydney plays Melbourne why should i turn up? they need to motivate average joes like me. Maybe get a player to come out and trash talk the opposition or tell me why the teams hate each other. Anything really to stimulate some interest. It all seems a little nice compared to the full contact sports.

Living on the south Coast of course NRL is the main sport, but a few of my mates and I have our favourite NBA teams and follow them on the net or when they're on ESPN/Fox sports. We never talk about the NBL because nothing interesting happens at all. It's like watching paint dry and not appealing at all. When I played and my sisters played, we used to go to regular Hawks games around the time they won the championship and the stadium regularly had 3,000 people in. Now they're poor, you never hear about them, and all of the south coast/Illawarra areas don't even know if they exist anymore.

Marketing for the NBL to the general public here is shocking. :(
 

Skeletor

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Most of our best players are playing in Europe, the US or the NCAA. It's somewhat of the situation Australian soccer was in before the development of the A-League.
 

redunderthebed

Juniors
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We.need.a.new.league NBL is dead full stop thats what it took for football to get back on its feet with the A-league.Start doing some decent advertising for that new league go back to winter the standard of players coming over will improve immensely atm we are getting the dregs that cant get a game *anywhere* because atm we are competing with europe and any player with any ambition wants to go to europe if not the NBA its apart from the NBA where the money is at.We dont have "characters" as someone said because they have little media exposure and the NBL doesnt want loose cannons filling up what little exposure they do have.

We are despite of how its organised and run one of the best basketball nations in the world our team is in the top ten all we need is a league that will once again reflect this.
 

TheParraboy

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I think with the proper direction and growth of so many other sports over the last decade in this country, somethings got to give.

Soccer seems to have got its act together last few years. The national league cut ties with "old guards" that used to divide the game into nationalities rather than regions.

NRL, AFL have a rich history and decent loyal followers
Cricket is always solid, even to the point of evolving and bringing in a new breed of supporter (Twenty/20)

Basketball seemed to go through a glory phase, but somewhere over the last 6-8 years it has dropped the ball badly

Plenty kids play in the juniors , just like soccer, but it doesnt translate to what they will end up doing when older, or what adults prefer to watch
 
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