What to do with Level 3 - Parramatta Leagues Club

[Suitman]

Yeah, it's not such a biggie at the moment, hence i first said 'potentially'.

At the moment, it is good as it lets everyone know what 3P is about.

It would be good once all the candidates are announced if the communication comes from a candidate themselves, whether that be Col Green, Terry Leabetter or anyone.

Yes, and the same would go for any other group of candidates, the current board being one of them.
Why haven't you asked Ovo the same questions?

Suity

 

[fish eel]

Yes, and the same would go for any other group of candidates, the current board being one of them.
Why haven't you asked Ovo the same questions?

Suity

Probably because Ovo logs on here and speaks for himself. :?

 

[mickdo]

If someone is going to speak on behalf of the board, they should be accountable.

They should either be on the board, or paid staff of the club, ie Ross Smart.

He isn't speaking on behalf of the board, he is speaking on behalf of 3P, which has 4 members on the board. There is a difference, as well you know.

Are you going to paint me as a supporter of the current board because I ask questions on here of 3P?

No, was going to paint you as a hypocrite because you weren't answering the same questions about the current board, and it appeared that you only thought 3P should be subjected to any scrutiny

As for the current board, I dont know their arrangements, but they would take advice from LC staff. I also dont see anyone who has no roll with the board or club speaking, or seeming to speak on behalf of them.

Fair enough, and thank you for answering. However, shouldn't that be made clear by the board if it is such an issue for you? Will you ask them who they have as advisors?

Col Green has made a valuable contribution to this forum and discussion. One thing though, he does talk, in regards to 3P as 'we', 'we want to do this or that'. For example, Col mentioned sponsorship announcements.

3P still exists following the FC elections. When Labor party members get elected to councils, they don't suddenly stop being Labor party members. They still have their advisors from the Labor party. You of all people should know that.

What capacity is Col speaking in? As a potential candidate for LC election? A potential paid employee of the club?

Seems to me its as an advisor to 3P. Why don't you ask him?

Asking for transparancy is NOT a bad thing Mickdo - and in asking these questions, it also doesn't follow I am attacking or being critical of 3P. I am sure, in the fullness of time as we come closer to the elections, we'll all learn more.

That would have to be one of the stranger statements you've made. 3P are the ones that have been communicating with us and other fans, and appear to be doing everything they can to be transparent and inclusive. Compared to 3P, the current LC board is as transparent as a pool of mud. I just think you should be looking at each question you have been asking of 3P recently and then apply the same question to the current board at the same time, and see what you get.

He isnt really 'behind the scenes' though, is he? And yes, should be reigned in.

You can call it what you like. If 3P want to have someone to be able to communicate with fans then I don't see an issue with it. The 3P board members are still accountable, are they not?

 

[Gronk]

But, what's the problem, honestly?
Better than no communication at all, imo.

Suity

I don't like members of the public speaking on behalf of appointed Board members. Simple as that.

Just as I didn't like Ray Price making comments like "we'll have to have a look into it" regarding the FFMM situation when he has zero to do with the running of the NRL team.

 

[Suitman]

Probably because Ovo logs on here and speaks for himself. :?

OK, so why have an issue, if another group of candidates elect a spokesperson.
Honestly, Colin has hidden nothing, and has been up front about his dealings with 3P.
I just don't understand your paranoia.

Suity

 

[Suitman]

I don't like members of the public speaking on behalf of appointed Board members. Simple as that.

If that's your view, fine. I don't have a problem with it for the previously stated reason that they are being open with us. Unlike the incumbants, who we have heard zilch from for as long as I care to remember.

Just as I didn't like Ray Price making comments like "we'll have to have a look into it" regarding the FFMM situation when he has zero to do with the running of the NRL team.

I also thought that this issue was beyond his jurisdiction. Still, it surely doesn't hurt to now have someone in power who WILL keep the board of the NRL team accountable.

Suity

 

[Stagger eel]

don't you get the feeling that we're slightly moving away from what the REAL issue is about...seriously guys.

 

[mickdo]

don't you get the feeling that we're slightly moving away from what the REAL issue is about...seriously guys.

There have been a lot of 'diversions' of late, yes

 

[fish eel]

He isn't speaking on behalf of the board, he is speaking on behalf of 3P, which has 4 members on the board. There is a difference, as well you know.

Given they control the FC board, and may control the LC board in a few months, thats a pretty narrow difference.

No, was going to paint you as a hypocrite because you weren't answering the same questions about the current board, and it appeared that you only thought 3P should be subjected to any scrutiny

I answered.

We all know what the current board are like. 3P are new and need to be looked at.

Fair enough, and thank you for answering. However, shouldn't that be made clear by the board if it is such an issue for you? Will you ask them who they have as advisors?

You're hung up on 'advisors'.

I'm talking about people speaking on their behalf.

3P still exists following the FC elections. When Labor party members get elected to councils, they don't suddenly stop being Labor party members. They still have their advisors from the Labor party. You of all people should know that.

If unelected Labor Party officials in National Sectariat starting talking on behalf of the elected members of parliament about the Governments plans, there would rightly be an outrage about faceless, unelected people running the show.

Seems to me its as an advisor to 3P. Why don't you ask him?

The question is there is he wants to answer.

That would have to be one of the stranger statements you've made. 3P are the ones that have been communicating with us and other fans, and appear to be doing everything they can to be transparent and inclusive. Compared to 3P, the current LC board is as transparent as a pool of mud. I just think you should be looking at each question you have been asking of 3P recently and then apply the same question to the current board at the same time, and see what you get.

Yeah, like I said, we all know what the current board is like.

Doesnt mean we shouldnt look closely at 3P.

You can call it what you like. If 3P want to have someone to be able to communicate with fans then I don't see an issue with it. The 3P board members are still accountable, are they not?

Yes, they are.

I would like to know, as I posted, that I am voting for the person on the ballot paper not the person in their ear.

OK, so why have an issue, if another group of candidates elect a spokesperson.
Honestly, Colin has hidden nothing, and has been up front about his dealings with 3P.
I just don't understand your paranoia.

Sigh.

I'm not paranoid and I said it's not an issue at the moment.

I said, potentially, it may be.

I also said Colin has made a good contribution to the forum and I am sure we'll find out more closer to the polls, particuarly once all candidates are known.

The only people, IMO, that should speak on behalf of board members are board members or paid staff of the club to speak on board decisions.

Why would candidates need to elect a spokesperson? Why can't they speak for themselves? Yes, I know it's better than what the current board do. It would be even better to from candidates (which may be Col?) rather than their proxy.

 

[forward pass]

Are you kidding me? Just because these 4 people got elected to the board they now aren't allowed to take advice from anyone else??? Seriously, have a think about what you just said... :crazy:

I don't need to. Mate if you sat on a board, how would you feel that half the board were being advised by an external group - and you were excluded from that group. It is a nonsense!

And also how would you feel about this group being privy to discussions at board level which should in most cases be confidential?

 

[Suitman]

don't you get the feeling that we're slightly moving away from what the REAL issue is about...seriously guys.

Absolutely.

Suity

 

[Gronk]

I don't need to. Mate if you sat on a board, how would you feel that half the board were being advised by an external group - and you were excluded from that group. It is a nonsense!

The last thing we need is factions within the Board and Board members having to run off to their advisors before they can make a decision.

And also how would you feel about this group being privy to discussions at board level which should in most cases be confidential?

Bingo. This raises another problem.

 

[Stagger eel]

Absolutely.

Suity

tbh..over the last few days there's been some pretty amazing ideas which the 2 rival groups should be falling head over heels to adopt as part of their policy all were focussing on is who's pissing in who's pocket???

 

[Gronk]

don't you get the feeling that we're slightly moving away from what the REAL issue is about...seriously guys.

This is not a trivial matter Stagger.

 

[strider]

I think its a VERY valid concern that the ppl who seem to be the drivers behind 3P aren't actually the board members ..... but ppl voted for the "names" at the election - so I guess we have to hope that the "names" are gonna do a good job of representing the larger 3P group's direction

 

[mickdo]

Given they control the FC board, and may control the LC board in a few months, thats a pretty narrow difference.

A difference none the less

I answered.

After some prompting

We all know what the current board are like.

I'm not so sure that we do

3P are new and need to be looked at.

Absolutely. Never argued with this.

You're hung up on 'advisors'.

I'm talking about people speaking on their behalf.

I'm not hung up at all. Are there or are there not spokespersons for parliamentarians, groups, committees etc?

If unelected Labor Party officials in National Sectariat starting talking on behalf of the elected members of parliament about the Governments plans, there would rightly be an outrage about faceless, unelected people running the show.

How can they be faceless if they are speaking publicly? :crazy:

I would like to know, as I posted, that I am voting for the person on the ballot paper not the person in their ear.

As long as you feel the same way about the current board, then that's not a problem. I just wonder if you will be as inquisitive about the current board though? (and don't say that we all know what the current board is like again, as I don't really think we do at all)

Why would candidates need to elect a spokesperson? Why can't they speak for themselves? Yes, I know it's better than what the current board do. It would be even better to from candidates (which may be Col?) rather than their proxy.

Time, money, who knows? Again, why don't you ask them?

 

[Stagger eel]

This is not a trivial matter Stagger.

I don't find it trivial i just think that we're getting of the topic slightly, but I guess you get that when you hit 20 pages in the thread...

 

[mickdo]

I don't need to. Mate if you sat on a board, how would you feel that half the board were being advised by an external group - and you were excluded from that group. It is a nonsense!

Hate to break it to you, but it happens all the time. It isn't nonsense, it's how it often works.

And also how would you feel about this group being privy to discussions at board level which should in most cases be confidential?

That is an entirely different issue. Do you know that confidential information is being leaked by board members? How about stretching it even further and accusing 3P of rigging the elections or something? I mean really...

 

[junior009]

This is not a trivial matter Stagger.

I think you're wrong there!

 

[Suitman]

I think you're wrong there!

:thumb

Suity