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in the end the 2011 versions of the packers and saints turned out to be like the 2000 rams. unbelievable offense but a d so putrid it couldn't stop anyone, no matter how mediocre an offense it met.
for all the talk about the whiners d, the saints still put 32 points on them. the problem was they couldn't stop their plodding offense when it mattered. their d let the whiners offense march down the field 80 yards for a td twice in the last 4 minutes. you're not gonna win anything with defense like that.
as for the packers, after seeing the highlights (or lowlights) of the game against the giants, their d was abominable. you can't win with defense like that. in the regular season, sure, you can win but when the playoffs come round your d better be able to make a stop in crunch time otherwise you're outta here.
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