Whats the go with Brett Lee ?

[forward pass]

Gee he has been disappointing this series.

He was 12th man for the best part of 18 months and kept saying he wanted his chance etc etc.

And when he has been given a chance - he has shown nothing. Even when Pidgeon was out and he was given the new ball, he just didn't grasp the opportunity at all.

He bowled some garbage last night and there were very few deliveries which genuinely worried the batsmen imo.

With Dizzy so out of form, it is just a shame that Binga hasn't grasped the cahnce with both hands. The way he is bowling, we may have even been better off going with Dizzy.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Yeah he was very dissapointing last night. I think he was trying to bowl too fast.

 

[JJ]

the only problem is with your expectations - he's a VERY ordinary test bowler...

 

[aussies1st]

At last Lee is bowling much better. Hes got the out swinger working again.

 

[Iafeta]

But a lack of brain cost him again.

Great delivery to Geraint Jones, then when Harmison takes him on, what does he do, fire them in short, he should have taken a leaf out of McGrath's book and pitched up a slower one to #11.

 

[aussies1st]

He should have bowled the same line he bowled to Jones. Lee always has problems getting out tail enders. He has the pace but can't control himself.

 

[OVP]

Are you people on drugs ? Brett Lee has been a revelation this series. Apart from Warne, Lee has looked the only bowler capable of getting a wicket. His spells in the 3rd and 4th Tests were bordering on great. And with the bat he has excelled as well. Even the whole of England, and most of us with a clue in Oz, has revelled and loved the contest between Lee and Flintoff. This thread is like Bizarro World from Seinfeld ... i dont get it ????

Brett Lee ... 19 wickets and a batting average of 30 ... yeah he sux :roll:

He has a better batting average than Gilchrist, Martyn & Hayden. Pick a new scapegoat, Lee DOES NOT deserve it.

http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NATIONAL/AUS/INTERNATIONAL/STATS/TEST.html

 

[aussies1st]

He bowls good spells but he also bowls the bad one when the team needs him most to step up. Without Warne yesterday we would have conceded 500 just cause the pacemen didn't get the balls in the right spot.
But I wouldn't drop him, he has the ability to rip through teams.

 

[JJ]

Brett Lee ... 19 wickets and a batting average of 30 ... yeah he sux :roll:

never said he sucks - just that he's an ordinary test bowler - there's plenty of evidence supporting that conclusion

 

[Stuart]

OVP, Lee has bowled 3 or 4 good spells where he has looked really dangerous, troubled the batsmen and picked up wickets. He has also bowled 3 or 4 spells where he has been smashed around, the batsmen have been untroubled and he has looked like he is incapable of taking a wicket. HIs form this series has been very inconsistent, and while he has been one of our better bowlers it has been frustrating watching some of his poorer spells when you know he can do much much better.


19 wickets at 33 is by no means the figures of an in form fast bowler who is hitting his straps, saying that its much better than the 62 and 100 that Kaspa and Gillespie have averaged. IMO Lee's form this series has been no better than that of a solid test player, he has shown he has the potential to be a consistently dangerous bowler and can rip through teams but has lacked the application to do this consitently so far.

 

[Twizzle]

he has not bowled up to expections with the new ball, and I think he is trying to bowl too fatsd and loosing that little bit of control

he has given the english openers far too many half volleys which have been dispatched into the ropes, then he over compensates and bowls too short

when he has some back with the old ball he has bowled much better, which he showed again last night

he really just needs to get a bit more control with the new ball and let the ball do the work

he has had some good spells and got a few good wickets but on the other hand he has ahd some ordinary spells as well

 

[aussies1st]

If the ball ain't swinging i'm fine with Lee going all out with pace. But if there is swing he should slow down his pace so he can use the swing. He is much more dangerous with the swing.
Some of the balls he bowled to Hoggard were rippers which would have got a few of them out but since Hoggard was a tailender he had no hope of getting a nick.

 

[JoeysWheelchair05]

If Lee is trying to bowl fast then he is failing. That 150km/hr+ speeds he is known for haven't been there. I am all for him slowing it down a bit to gain some more control, but when there is a lack of pace and no control then it is a worry.


Brett Lee would average in the low 20's if he pitched the ball up more, rather than trying to bounce players. I think the Aussie bowlers this series have bowled too short and not given the ball enough opportunity to swing.

 

[JJ]

If the ball ain't swinging i'm fine with Lee going all out with pace. But if there is swing he should slow down his pace so he can use the swing. He is much more dangerous with the swing.
Some of the balls he bowled to Hoggard were rippers which would have got a few of them out but since Hoggard was a tailender he had no hope of getting a nick.

he's only got half a brain, two lengths (short and over-pitched) and if he isn;t bowling very quickly (which he doesn't unless conditions are very helpful) then he's expensive and not dangerous.

Pea hearted show pony - worth more in terms of marketing to the young ladies than to the Aust team in tests (ODIs are clearly another matter)

 

[madunit]

its not easy to bowl a team out when the guy bowling from the other end is throwing down pies. i think he has done exceptionally well, and if he were bowling in tandem with a fit McGrath the whole series, australia would be leading the series 2-1

 

[aussies1st]

he's only got half a brain, two lengths (short and over-pitched) and if he isn;t bowling very quickly (which he doesn't unless conditions are very helpful) then he's expensive and not dangerous.

Pea hearted show pony - worth more in terms of marketing to the young ladies than to the Aust team in tests (ODIs are clearly another matter)

3 lengths if it is swinging. Lee's bouncer are his problem. They are always aimed at leg stump and continue that way.

McGrath when if form has a good bouncer which Lee should try and do. He should also get a split finger slower ball which shouldn't decrease his speed as much as the back of the hand ball which is also obvious to pick up.

 

[Twizzle]

he's only got half a brain, two lengths (short and over-pitched) and if he isn;t bowling very quickly (which he doesn't unless conditions are very helpful) then he's expensive and not dangerous.

Pea hearted show pony - worth more in terms of marketing to the young ladies than to the Aust team in tests (ODIs are clearly another matter)

thanks JJ

I really look forward to your sensible non biased comments

 

[JJ]

thanks JJ

I really look forward to your sensible non biased comments

no worries Twizzle - I' learning every day from El Diablo...

Seriously though - Lee's a terrific ODI bowler, but borders on being a liability in tests.... you saying he is more than someone who bowls very quick when condition suits, and either bowls short of half volleys as a rule?? You questioning that he's very expensive??

I admit some of my comments were not sensible - but the cricket related ones were reasonable...