When is Full-Time, Full-Time in the NRL?

[Moffo]

Hi,

An AFL game ended in a farce today when the game continued because the umpires didn't hear the siren. St Kilda kicked a point after the fulltime bell and they escaped with a draw

Surely this result should be overruled? Apparently the siren wasn't loud enough :lol:

Whats the NRL story though? If the siren goes off but the ref doesn't hear it, what would happen if someone scored? Would it be overturned?

 

[wittyfan]

Wasn't there a precedent in a golden point game involving Souths and Wests Tigers?

 

[TV Ted Ellery]

Hi,

An AFL game ended in a farce today when the game continued because the umpires didn't hear the siren. St Kilda kicked a point after the fulltime bell and they escaped with a draw

Surely this result should be overruled? Apparently the siren wasn't loud enough :lol:

Whats the NRL story though? If the siren goes off but the ref doesn't hear it, what would happen if someone scored? Would it be overturned?

The result stands in spite of the ref's incompetence.

A similar thing happened in 2004 in the Wests v Rabbits game. The first 5 minutes of extra time had elapsed but the officials allowed the game to continue for another 2 minutes and Souths kicked a field-goal.

No apology. Just a big oh well, we'll be more vigilant about in the future

 

[Southernsaint]

Hi,

An AFL game ended in a farce today when the game continued because the umpires didn't hear the siren. St Kilda kicked a point after the fulltime bell and they escaped with a draw

Surely this result should be overruled? Apparently the siren wasn't loud enough :lol:

Whats the NRL story though? If the siren goes off but the ref doesn't hear it, what would happen if someone scored? Would it be overturned?

When Fox Sports says it is!!

 

[Mr Saab]

In that souths tigers game, the time keeper didnt blow the halftime siren for golden point time.

 

[Danish]

It is a joke if the AFL does not overule the decision.

The Souths/Tigers game was slightly different given the siren didnt go off. But in the AFL it most certainly did.

I'd like to think the NRL would overrule in a similar situation to the current AFL debacle

 

[*Paul*]

The result stands in spite of the ref's incompetence.

I'd say that's what would happen, and probably will in the AFL game. Large predecent being set to overturn results on officiating errors, albeit non-judgement ones.

 

[Dr Crane]

Well, the crowd counts down. The time is usually displayed all over the stadium, the referee has a watch...

 

[ChipNChase]

Of course it will be appealed - They are already talking legal action.

Sport is a business, and if something abjectly unfair happens in business, they duly seek recourse through legal channels and this is what will happen here. Clubs stand to lose big $$$ if a loss costs them a GF birth/minor premiership etc. There is no question a protest will be lodged and upheld.

 

[Nickeel]

Well, the crowd counts down. The time is usually displayed all over the stadium, the referee has a watch...

This is true in the NRL.

In the AFL the actual time on the clock can vary from quarter to quarter as it rolls on through stoppages etc. and the time is added on at the end. But you would think the siren would be a pretty good signal to the umpires that it's all over - methinks they will have a week off next round. :lol:

Nick

 

[Timbo]

A similar event happened in a Raiders/Dragons game in the season before golden point.

We were leading 21-20, the siren went, someone knocked on and the ref still packed the scrum and preceeded to-and this was what s*it me-award the first scrum penalty in something like 4 seasons, allowing Willie Peters to kick a field goal and the Dragons to escape with a 21 all draw.

Fulltime should have been blown at the knock on, but the ref-I'm near certain it was Simpkins-let it go.

We got an 'oh well, we're sorry, wont happen again' from the NRL.

 

[***MH***]

Section 7, Law 3 of the rule book

End of play 3. If time expires in either half when the ball is out of
play or a player in possession has been tackled and
the ball has not been played the Referee shall
immediately blow his whistle to terminate play. If the
ball is in play when time expires, the Referee shall
terminate play when next the ball goes out of play or
a player in possession is tackled but time shall be
extended to allow a penalty kick or a kick at goal to be
taken in which case the half is terminated when next
the ball goes out of play or a tackle is effected, unless
a further penalty is awarded in which case time is
again extended for the kick to be taken.

Notes on law 3
Using Timekeeper 3. A timekeeper may be employed to signal half time and full
time, in which case the referee on receiving the timekeeper’s
signal, terminates the half in the manner described above.
A timekeeper may also assist the Referee in determining the
end of a player’s temporary suspension.

Allow second kick If the ball is kicked into touch from a penalty the nonoffending side should be allowed full advantage of the
penalty award by extending time to allow play to be resumed
with the free kick permitted by the Laws relating to the Penalty. (See Section 13).

Scrum If a scrum has been set and fed before time expires play shall
continue until a player in possession is tackled or the ball
goes out of play.

 

[JoeD]

What that rule doesn't say which is relevant is whether or not the ref is the sole judge of time. I know in union the ref is the sole judge and that the game is over when he blows his whistle, not when the clock says zero.

 

[*Paul*]

They're saying that's the case in the AFL, too.

the referee on receiving the timekeeper’s signal, terminates the half
If he doesn't "receive" it i.e.hear it, he can't do anything about it. Something like that would probably be the out in the NRL.

 

[roosters06]

Hi,

An AFL game ended in a farce today when the game continued because the umpires didn't hear the siren. St Kilda kicked a point after the fulltime bell and they escaped with a draw

Surely this result should be overruled? Apparently the siren wasn't loud enough :lol:

I watched the replays a number of times yesterday...and a number of things i noticed:

1) The umpire blew time off just before the siren apparantly went, meaning that their should still have been time replaced on the clock.

2) The cheering was so loud that the siren couldn't even be heard on the replay. No-one at the ground thought that time was up apart from the Fremantle players.

3) surely players should play to the whistle, if the umpire says the game is on, just bear it and get the ball over the boundary line so the umpire calls the game over!

 

[*Paul*]

In hindsight, play to the whistle (or buttock the thistle, as Roy Slaven once put it) is the sensible thing to do.

But when you're right there, you know the game is over, just have to tell the ref, that's what most would try and do first.

 

[roosters06]

But when you're right there, you know the game is over, just have to tell the ref, that's what most would try and do first.

Why bother? Its obvious that the ref hadn't heard the siren (neither had just about anybody at the ground), surely common sense is to try and put the ball out of play rather than flay your arms around wildly at the referee arguing when he's about to bounce the ball?

Thats what cost Freo - their stupidity - they were too busy arguing with the ref to bother to mark up on Baker and it almost cost them the game.

 

[*Paul*]

Common sense now, sure.