Where should WC profits go?

[jim_57]

Said it before in the NH thread but I think priority sgould be setting up a thorough junior program to get the best players from 'developing nations' in to the spotlight and strong competition early.

So much potential is wasted between the age of 16-21 if players aren't in good professional junior development systems. Look at France for a classic example.

 

[adamkungl]

the RLIF is pretty limited in what they can do to help France I think.
I'd be happy to see them contribute to things like junior tours to the southern hemisphere, but not putting money into individual clubs.
France needs more professional opportunities and it simply isn't within the scope or financial ability of the RLIF to provide that, it has to come from within

 

[T-Boon]

What is the plan for using any profit we make from the WC? What do you think it should be used for?

An international coaching academy.
We need to try to counter the influence that NRL coaches are having on the code.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

What would France do with the money?

Hopefully finally get a French Pro League setup but I don't think it is money that is the issue (or would the RLIF grant be enough) - the FFR XIII need to put in the hard work and get it happening. We know fans want to attend RL (Catalan, Toulouse and Chanticleers matches show us this), we know there is enough (even if not an enormous) interest from broadcasters as Catalans have a local broadcaster. The raw ingredients are there - someone needs to take them and piece it all together.

 

[adamkungl]

Hopefully finally get a French Pro League setup but I don't think it is money that is the issue (or would the RLIF grant be enough) - the FFR XIII need to put in the hard work and get it happening. We know fans want to attend RL (Catalan, Toulouse and Chanticleers matches show us this), we know there is enough (even if not an enormous) interest from broadcasters as Catalans have a local broadcaster. The raw ingredients are there - someone needs to take them and piece it all together.

Agree - but as you say the money required to take France from semi-pro to fully pro is many times what the RLIF is capable of putting in, every year.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

An international coaching academy.
We need to try to counter the influence that NRL coaches are having on the code.

T-Boon for RLIF CEO!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Agree - but as you say the money required to take France from semi-pro to fully pro is many times what the RLIF is capable of putting in, every year.

I remember when Collier first came into the CEO job, one of the major outcomes set-out by the RLIF was to develop at least one G8 (maybe G20 can't remember) nation to a professional level. I wonder if they were referring to France or the USA?

 

[Captain Apollo]

Steve Mascord wrote in today's Sydney Morning Herald that the tournament will make a profit but at the lower end of the organisers expectations, expected to be around $7 million.

 

[Jim from Oz]

Steve Mascord wrote in today's Sydney Morning Herald that the tournament will make a profit but at the lower end of the organisers expectations, expected to be around $7 million.

here's what he said exactly:

TV ratings have exceeded almost all expectations at the World Cup – the opening night was the most watched Friday night league match in Australia this year and it's estimated as many as two million people watched Australia-France across all of Channel Seven's platforms.

But the projected profit for the tournament (the RLIF's only source of income) still hovers around $A7 million – a fair way down on David Smith's $12 million promise that forced the RLIF to turn down a $10 million bid from South Africa to host the current tournament.

Moore Sports International has guaranteed an eight-figure sum, too, for the 2025 World Cup in North America. The RLIF is currently conducting due diligence on that offer and it could be years before it is signed off on.

 

[adamkungl]

Brown and Hill are f**king hopeless. Good luck to whatever sport employs these two hacks again (Bulldogs lol)

 

[roughyedspud]

Be careful with mascord profit predictions...he's often wrong

 

[adamkungl]

Previous WC profits ($Aud)

2008 made somewhere between $3.6m and $5m, sources seem to vary
2013 made $6.6m
2017 is allegedly on track to make $7m. Maybe the finals will do huge business and bring this up - based on previous events and the $12m bid claim I think any less than $10m is a disappointing result and a stagnation.

 

[Jim from Oz]

Previous WC profits ($Aud)

2008 made somewhere between $3.6m and $5m, sources seem to vary
2013 made $6.6m
2017 is allegedly on track to make $7m. Maybe the finals will do huge business and bring this up - based on previous events and the $12m bid claim I think any less than $10m is a disappointing result and a stagnation.

If … and it's a big if … Tonga defeat NZ this weekend, then semis could end up being:

Oz v NZ in BrisVegas
Tonga v Eng in Auckland

Both those semis would sell well (he says hopefully) …

 

[Billythekid]

Previous WC profits ($Aud)

2008 made somewhere between $3.6m and $5m, sources seem to vary
2013 made $6.6m
2017 is allegedly on track to make $7m. Maybe the finals will do huge business and bring this up - based on previous events and the $12m bid claim I think any less than $10m is a disappointing result and a stagnation.

Ultimately whether it's 7 million or 12 million it's still chump change in the grand scheme of things. This is a tournament held only every 4 years. Shit some individual NRL players will be making that much money in a 4 year period. The NRL gives every single club that much money every single season. With this level of profit the International game will never go anywhere. Also how much of that money actually goes to where it's needed helping the International game?

We simply need more International games of RL and we need to be making money outside of the world cup.

That's one of the major difficulties for international league.The main governing body for league which holds all of the money couldn't give a f**k about international league and actively tries to hurt it. Look at other sports. The ARU push the wallabies. The FFA push the socceroos. The ACB push the Australian cricket team. In league the NRL and the clubs actively hurt the international game and do little to nothing to support it. That's why there is so little marketing and promotion of a tournament like this. The international game lives and dies on what little profit the WC can make. We're forced not to take any risks or dream too big and actually promote the tournament like it actually means something.

The NRL has just started a 2 billion dollar TV deal. That's forgetting all the other money being made by the game. Yet here the International game has to eek by on a few million dollars made by the world cup and the occasional international matches played in between. That's why it feels like waiting for the international game to grow is like watching paint dry.

 

[Jim from Oz]

Ultimately whether it's 7 million or 12 million it's still chump change in the grand scheme of things. This is a tournament held only every 4 years. Shit some individual NRL players will be making that much money in a 4 year period. The NRL gives every single club that much money every single season. With this level of profit the International game will never go anywhere. Also how much of that money actually goes to where it's needed helping the International game?

We simply need more International games of RL and we need to be making money outside of the world cup.

That's one of the major difficulties for international league.The main governing body for league which holds all of the money couldn't give a f**k about international league and actively tries to hurt it. Look at other sports. The ARU push the wallabies. The FFA push the socceroos. The ACB push the Australian cricket team. In league the NRL and the clubs actively hurt the international game and do little to nothing to support it. That's why there is so little marketing and promotion of a tournament like this. The international game lives and dies on what little profit the WC can make. We're forced not to take any risks or dream too big and actually promote the tournament like it actually means something.

The NRL has just started a 2 billion dollar TV deal. That's forgetting all the other money being made by the game. Yet here the International game has to eek by on a few million dollars made by the world cup and the occasional international matches played in between. That's why it feels like waiting for the international game to grow is like watching paint dry.

sad but true …

 

[parrawentyfan]

Ultimately whether it's 7 million or 12 million it's still chump change in the grand scheme of things. This is a tournament held only every 4 years. Shit some individual NRL players will be making that much money in a 4 year period. The NRL gives every single club that much money every single season. With this level of profit the International game will never go anywhere. Also how much of that money actually goes to where it's needed helping the International game?

We simply need more International games of RL and we need to be making money outside of the world cup.

That's one of the major difficulties for international league.The main governing body for league which holds all of the money couldn't give a f**k about international league and actively tries to hurt it. Look at other sports. The ARU push the wallabies. The FFA push the socceroos. The ACB push the Australian cricket team. In league the NRL and the clubs actively hurt the international game and do little to nothing to support it. That's why there is so little marketing and promotion of a tournament like this. The international game lives and dies on what little profit the WC can make. We're forced not to take any risks or dream too big and actually promote the tournament like it actually means something.

The NRL has just started a 2 billion dollar TV deal. That's forgetting all the other money being made by the game. Yet here the International game has to eek by on a few million dollars made by the world cup and the occasional international matches played in between. That's why it feels like waiting for the international game to grow is like watching paint dry.

Would love to see NRL and ESL enter an agreement with RLIF to pay a small % of TV broadcast revenue to them. 5% would make a huge difference compared to the paltry world cup profits.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

• Poaching RU comps/clubs?

Love this idea...

Why set up your own comp when you can use the infrustructure and branding others have already built.

(I maintain, the biggest tragedy in RL history is when WW2 stopped Californian RU from switching to RL.)

It wouldnt take all that much pushing either. Offer marginally better conditions and a generally better sport and you will get some takers...

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Has to go to infrastructure in developing nations. Nrl seems keen to support the Pai's and png to develop, RFL should be supporting the home nations, let's use the mo year to help the others get the right infrastructure and regular games. And some legal advice on fighting the union undermining at a governing level around the world!

Primarily, id put it towards a lobbying group (defending RL when RU pull their regular shit and lobbying governents for funding).

Them put the rest of the money into cofunding these government pledges...

 

[roughyedspud]

Would love to see NRL and ESL enter an agreement with RLIF to pay a small % of TV broadcast revenue to them. 5% would make a huge difference compared to the paltry world cup profits.

I've said for years that the NRL & ESL should give the RLIF every year exactly the same they give the clubs each year via the club grants...so £1.8m from ESL and whatever the grant is from the NRL? What is it? $9m? More?

 

[Irish-bulldog]

7 million dollars won't go far at all, that's why starting a 9's World Cup might be a smart move, more money more regularly. They need money from tv deals just the nrl , real money that could make a differance