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Where will we finish in 2016?

betcats

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If we really have no other choice but Wallace in the halves it is a massive failing by Gus and the club in terms of our roster. Wallace has had two knee recos in two years relying on him to be fit is just asking for trouble.
 

ACTPanthers

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Sporting injuries being random occurrences, are somewhat different to "business", whatever that might be. I imagine a trainer from a premiership winning club would be in more demand than one from a bottom 4 club. Usually success and fewer injuries go hand in hand.

Are our training and conditioning practices any different to other clubs that went through last year with very few injuries, eg the Roosters? You have to think the organisation wishes to have success on the football field, so surely it would be looking at this.

The events to unfold this season will reveal a lot, I think.

The business reference was about the coach, not the injuries

Gus stated that the conditioning practices were NOT being revised, so you can really only assume the same troubles this season.
 

mxlegend99

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Our injury issues are not bad luck. It's bad management. We have had more injuries every year than other clubs. Not just once. But consistently. A few injuries can be bad luck. One horrible season can be bad luck. But what we have compared to other clubs is too bad to be bad luck.

Look at the players who left us. Michael Gordon was barely injured for Sharks after leaving us. But he only played one full season in 7 years with us. Jennings was fitter at Roosters. Coote at the Cowboys after playing first grade. He did his ACL but that was before he pulled on their NRL jersey, probably hadn't been away from our medical staff long enough.
 

ACTPanthers

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Our injury issues are not bad luck. It's bad management. We have had more injuries every year than other clubs. Not just once. But consistently. A few injuries can be bad luck. One horrible season can be bad luck. But what we have compared to other clubs is too bad to be bad luck.

Look at the players who left us. Michael Gordon was barely injured for Sharks after leaving us. But he only played one full season in 7 years with us. Jennings was fitter at Roosters. Coote at the Cowboys after playing first grade. He did his ACL but that was before he pulled on their NRL jersey, probably hadn't been away from our medical staff long enough.

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Having this many seasons with massive injury tolls has to be indicative of poor practices - There really isn't anything to argue.
 

hindy111

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+1

Having this many seasons with massive injury tolls has to be indicative of poor practices - There really isn't anything to argue.


No - Just bad luck IMO......

Morris was always fit at dragons and at Dogs he has had a torrid time. Its just the way the cookie crumbles i would say.
 

hindy111

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Wallace and Soward as boring and predictable they can be the things they can do is
a - Carry out a game plan
b - Produce a very good kick chase game
c - Get back to back sets

If they can have this on song then guys like Peachey - Carwright - Segyaroo - Moylan (when fit) will get you points.
Perhaps that is the coaches plan.Gives these guys more involvement in attacking raids and get the backline the ball fast and one on one.
 

TheFrog

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If we really have no other choice but Wallace in the halves it is a massive failing by Gus and the club in terms of our roster. Wallace has had two knee recos in two years relying on him to be fit is just asking for trouble.

Either Gus has faith in Wallace or the plan was to put Moylan in the halves from the start. If Wallace wasn't part of the plans, I'm sure he'd be in Jolly Old Blighty by now.
 

billypilgrimnz

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Wallace and Soward as boring and predictable they can be the things they can do is
a - Carry out a game plan
b - Produce a very good kick chase game
c - Get back to back sets

If they can have this on song then guys like Peachey - Carwright - Segyaroo - Moylan (when fit) will get you points.
Perhaps that is the coaches plan.Gives these guys more involvement in attacking raids and get the backline the ball fast and one on one.

I don't think Wallace can do any of those three things.
 

ACTPanthers

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No - Just bad luck IMO......

Morris was always fit at dragons and at Dogs he has had a torrid time. Its just the way the cookie crumbles i would say.

It's not just one player though - It's multiple, for long stints, over many seasons - That just can't be bad luck.... Surely?
 

mxlegend99

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Yep. It's not one player or one season. It's nearly every player in every season. We seem to have the weakest legs in the competition. So many knee, ankle and hamstring injuries.

Coote was always injured. Over 6 years he averaged 13.8 games per season. At Cowboys he missed his first season entirely but is still averaging 13 games per season after playing 26 games in 2015.
Gordon played 1 full season in 7 years to average a tad over 15 games a year for us. At Sharks he only missed a few games in 3 years and averaged a tad under 24 games per season.
Jennings averaged a tad over 20 games a season for us which wasn't bad, but he was always carrying some minor injuries that held him back. At Roosters he averaged just under 24 games per season and looked fitter than ever.

That's just a few guys we couldn't count on to be fit each week who have gone on to be dependable at new clubs. It cant be simply bad luck that they were always injured with us, and after leaving seem more durable and fitter. It can't be just bad luck that we pick up two or three times as many injuries each season over most clubs. That our injuries tend to be more serious for the most part. There's simply no way it cluld all be down to bad luck and one team out of 16 gets like 30% of the bad luck every single year. If it was luck we would have periods of being injury free and at full strength and seasons where we aren't depleting NSW Cup to fill the 17. When one team has this much bad luck, they are contributing to it.
 
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mxlegend99

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This is an example of bad luck as far as injuries go (and a bit of good luck too)

Had Dallin Watene-Zelezniak not erred on the side of caution, the Penrith flyer would likely have suffered a heart attack on the field last year.

On the eve of his return to the NRL, the 20-year-old has opened up about his obstacles overcoming a collapsed lung last year and how a decision to visit his specialist may have saved his life.

A month after he was taken to hospital following a heavy collision against the Roosters last year, Watene-Zelezniak was given the green light to make his return against South Sydney three weeks later.

However the New Zealander could sense something was wrong, and the decision to follow his gut instinct may have prevented a tragic outcome on that Sunday afternoon at ANZ Stadium in August.

"I just got this feeling that it didn't feel right, so I went and got a check up X-ray because I was meant to play on the Sunday against the Rabbitohs," Watene-Zelezniak told Fairfax Media.

"I said I just wanted to make sure if I was alright to play. So I went and got the check up and that's when they rushed me back to hospital.

"It's scary because I was going to play that weekend. I was running, but I wasn't running like my normal self. Lucky I got it checked because the specialist said I could have had a heart attack if I played."

Things were so dire for Watene-Zelezniak, who at the time had just proposed to his now wife, his heart and oesophagus had shifted from their normal positions.

He was rushed to hospital and underwent surgery to drain his chest and reinflate his lungs, but the effects of the surgery could live with the speedster for the rest of his life.

"The side of my body is all numb still," he said.

"I can't feel it. The only thing is sore is when someone's knuckles run across my ribs. I'm still building up muscle there. Morgs [Panthers physio Kieran Morgan] said it might come back in six months, it could be years or it might never come back. You can tell this whole side is just sloppy. It's slowly coming back, but before it was just sagging. It was yuck. The numbness used to be everywhere but it's slowly getting smaller and smaller.

"After the surgery I couldn't train for three months. I could barely walk without getting puffed. When the drains were in, I couldn't move in hospital. Every movement I was in agony. Day one of pre-season was my first training session. About a week beforehand I could jog, because the specialist said don't go from nothing to smashing yourself. I slowly just started jogging and then when pre-season started I was ready to go."

Watene-Zelezniak still carries the scars on his side and back as a reminder of the torture he went through to get back to playing the game he loves, but he says the true motivation came sitting in hospital bed reading reports that his career was over.

"I just wanted to play because everyone was saying 'it's the end of his career'," Watene-Zelezniak said.

"That's what motivated me, people saying it was the end of my career and I wanted to prove them wrong. The doctor said 'don't listen to anyone. I'm the specialist who has looked at your X-ray and did your procedure and you're perfectly normal now'. He said 'you have a long career ahead of you'.

"In the Nines, I was covering it up a bit and running with one side. You could tell when I was running I was blocking it all the time. Even when I walked, I walked differently because it would hurt to drop my arm. But I'm gaining more confidence now and ready to go."

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/pe...ad-heart-attack-on-field-20160301-gn7de3.html
 

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