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Who has been the biggest expansion?

ParraEelsNRL

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We have the Auckland warriors, we have Melbourne storm as outlets, I'm going to add Catalans. Who do you think carries the heavier weight and before that we have the PNG chiefs coming in

IMO, I think it's the French, yeah we know how tough the codes fight there, but I personally think Catalans are a unloved expansion in Europe, not by the foggies, but the establishment. Now we see Toulouse Olympic coming in, what now.

I want all these teams to thrive, but it seems like a tiny little group has a strangle on the game. They can not and will not see anything outside the North. I have so many words for you type but I will hold back for now. Your days of running RU/RL are gone.
 

soc123_au

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We have the Auckland warriors, we have Melbourne storm as outlets, I'm going to add Catalans. Who do you think carries the heavier weight and before that we have the PNG chiefs coming in

IMO, I think it's the French, yeah we know how tough the codes fight there, but I personally think Catalans are a unloved expansion in Europe, not by the foggies, but the establishment. Now we see Toulouse Olympic coming in, what now.

I want all these teams to thrive, but it seems like a tiny little group has a strangle on the game. They can not and will not see anything outside the North. I have so many words for you type but I will hold back for now. Your days of running RU/RL are gone.
Were you having a stroke while you posted this? Get well soon.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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What is wrong with you bro, it's a easy question to answer. Which team has had the best impact for RL expansion, is that too hard to think about smart arse?
 

soc123_au

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What is wrong with you bro, it's a easy question to answer. Which team has had the best impact for RL expansion, is that too hard to think about smart arse?
Just the way it was written, was a joke. Depends how far back you are going for what is considered expansion. If its all way I'd say Parra or Dogs.
 

titoelcolombiano

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In order...

1. Broncos
2. Storm
3. Warriors
4. Raiders (influential in boosting RL in the ACT)

Top 5 what ifs...

1. Toronto Wolfpack (damn!)
2. London Broncos when owned by Richard Branson and actually signing some good players
3. Eric Perez's Ottawa Aces idea
4. Western Reds (imagine the foothold if they'd been in the comp the last 30 years)
5. Adelaide Rams (would be 28 years old now)
 

Wb1234

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PNG and the storm weren’t particularly brave since the Aussie govt is funding one and the second one the nrl had no choice and News Ltd funded them anyway

I would say 95 when they added teams from Perth, Auckland and north qld

In super league gatehead was brave as was Celtic crusaders

France already was an existing league heartland
 

Gobsmacked

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I'd say Melbourne by a lot on the metrics of who is watching Rugby league that otherwise would not have:
Look at the viewing numbers in Melbourne for the GF, was it 700k?
They're getting 20k to games every week..
Starting new clubs all the time.

I'm not sure you could class others as expansion as they're just traditional RL areas that got a team.

Next big expansion team is Perth which should work and hopefully bring some new people to the sport.

The genuine expansion team that hasn't been done yet that'll have the most immediate impact is South Island New Zealand which is firmly Rugby Union territory and ready to flip the script!
 

Gobsmacked

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In order...

1. Broncos
2. Storm
3. Warriors
4. Raiders (influential in boosting RL in the ACT)

Top 5 what ifs...

1. Toronto Wolfpack (damn!)
2. London Broncos when owned by Richard Branson and actually signing some good players
3. Eric Perez's Ottawa Aces idea
4. Western Reds (imagine the foothold if they'd been in the comp the last 30 years)
5. Adelaide Rams (would be 28 years old now)
Brisbane is in no way expansion, one of the Original Rugby league areas.
 

T-Boon

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The fact that the most successful sporting club in Australia is based in the second biggest market in Australia is hugely underrated on this forum.
Collingwood? Not relevant.

I'd say Storm then Warriors and then Knights.

I can't include the Broncos because they muffed that expansion area for 40 years as they should have brought in 3 Brisbane teams when the Broncos came in. The Broncos were standing in the road of sensible expansion for many years.

I don't know the European clubs.
 
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flippikat

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Wolfpack had potential to make a bigger impact but was cut far too soon
For sure - my hope is that with the re-jigged system over there (especially combining Championship and League 1 into a super-sized 2nd tier) that non-heartland locations seize the opportunity.

Not just teams around England/Wales outside the northern heartland, but Scotland, Ireland, and across the Atlantic as well.
 
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For me undoubtedly it has to be the warriors. Not only because they are based in a huge city of around 1.8 million and rapidly growing(2m by 2030) but they also have the eyes of an entire country on them.

also the warriors need to revert back to being known as the Auckland warriors.

I mean here in NZ they're not referred to as the NZ Warriors, and most NZers would probably agree that the team doesn't represent them. It's really just branding for the Aussie market.

People in NZ know they're an Auckland team and those outside Auckland who support them do so because they're either ex-Aucklanders or they're Leaguies. Not having Auckland in the name gives them flexibility with marketing, ability to take games on the road without pissing off fans who don't consider themselves Aucklanders, and draws in viewers from all over NZ for Sky.

The best thing Super Rugby did was get rid of the geographical location in the franchise names. The colours say enough, but give the brands enough flexibility. I.e. the Hurricanes can play in Palmerston North or Napier without pissing off locals who don't want consider themselves Wellingtonians.
 
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Growthegame

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I mean here in NZ they're not referred to as the NZ Warriors, and most NZers would probably agree that the team doesn't represent them. It's really just branding for the Aussie market.
While I agree with most of your post, It’s got nothing to do with the “Aussie market”. It’s because Auckland Warriors went broke and they need to be taken over by another entity to keep going which couldn’t have the same name for obvious reasons. “New Zealand Warriors” kept the continuity of the Warriors branding alive. It was a better option than what happened with the original Gold Coast club that kept changing names everytime they were taken over by a new entity.


The best thing Super Rugby did was get rid of the geographical location in the franchise names. The colours say enough, but give the brands enough flexibility. I.e. the Hurricanes can play in Palmerston North or Napier without pissing off locals who don't want consider themselves Wellingtonians.
Wasn’t a good move for the Australian based clubs. The Waratahs, Brumbies and Reds branding has taken a real hit since dropping their geographical names in my opinion.
 
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