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Who replaces David Kidwell?

Cold Roses

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Richie Blackmore with a scathing assessment of our coaching pathways.

I was wondering on here recently what was happening with Blackmore.

This seems pretty relevant given our lack of ability to promote guys upwards from NZ to an NRL level.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=11850968

"Frustrated former Kiwis international Richie Blackmore has accused the New Zealand Rugby League (NZRL) of neglecting local coaching talent and says national development pathways are a road to nowhere.

Blackmore has reluctantly walked away from coaching after an impressive 14-year career after being repeatedly overlooked for various junior and senior national coaching appointments.

The three-time winner of the Auckland Rugby League Coach of the Year award remains disillusioned after Kiwis head coach David Kidwell declared last September plans to appoint a New Zealander as an assistant coach while emphasising the importance of developing a pathway and succession plan for local coaches.

The 25-test Kiwis wing is critical of the NZRL's appointment process and says the national body is sending mixed messages to aspiring coaches and administrators, having installed former England coach Steve McNamara as an assistant to Kidwell and South Sydney general manager Shane Richardson as New Zealand's campaign manager for the upcoming World Cup.

North Queensland NRL premiership winning coach Paul Green has reportedly also been approached to come on board as a second assistant for the end-of-year tournament.

Their appointments come after former Samoa and one-test Kiwis forward Willie Poching and Australian Justin Morgan were not retained after assisting Kidwell through last year's poor Four Nations campaign.

"The appointments this year right across the board are just a perfect example of pathways being closed to New Zealand-based coaches," said Blackmore.

"I've never had an opportunity to coach a New Zealand representative team and I've been banging that door down the whole time. The messages are mixed because they're constantly saying you need to be on a coaching, managerial, or player pathway but then nothing actually eventuates."

Blackmore has no doubts about the credentials of McNamara, Richardson or Green but believes their appointments raise further questions about Kidwell's ability as a head coach.

"Don't get me wrong " we all need help," he said. "You might bring in a forwards or backs coach if you feel they could add something to the mix.

"I'm not saying they aren't good coaches, that's irrelevant. It contradicts everything they are saying and they've been saying this stuff for far too long."

Blackmore began coaching in 2004 and enjoyed success at club level with Manurewa and Otahuhu and the NZ Maori before winning the New South Wales Coach of the Year award in 2011 after guiding the Auckland Vulcans to the NSW Cup grand final.

After a year in the UK working as general manager with Leigh Centurions, he returned home and applied for the NZ Residents under-18s job but was ruled ineligible because he wasn't on the NZRL coaching pathway.

A return to coaching with Papakura in 2014 put him back on course and that year he was among the final four applicants for the Kiwis head coaching role, before Stephen Kearney was eventually retained and Kidwell introduced as an assistant.

Despite making the shortlist for the top job, Blackmore was again overlooked when Kelvin Wright got the nod as analyst ahead of the Kiwis successful 2014 Four Nations campaign.

"This is where I started to get disappointed in the process and procedures the NZRL were employing," Blackmore said. "I got shortlisted and then couldn't win any role. No pathway was extended to me."

After coaching the Sea Eagles to their maiden Fox Memorial title win last season, the 47-year-old is unsure of what more he can do to advance his career after recently being told a poor interview meant he was denied the chance to coach the Junior Kiwis, with Australian-based former Kiwis World Cup winning captain Nathan Cayless getting the job.

"The big shame is that I think I'm a good coach and I've gone a long way to having a good sound understanding of the game but ultimately I've got to the point where I have thrown it in.

"NZRL have lost a good quality volunteer because they've shown me no support.

"We must have some people in New Zealand that deserve an opportunity."

NZRL boss Alex Hayton would not comment on Blackmore's grievances but insists every effort is made to develop and promote local coaching talent.

A review following last year's disappointing Four Nations campaign revealed the need to provide Kidwell with more support and McNamara and Richardson's appointments have been made with the aim of ensuring the Kiwis have the best chance of performing at the World Cup.

Green's involvement with the Kiwis is not confirmed and Hayton says the opportunity remains for a New Zealander to claim an assistant coach position later this year providing they have the right skills.

"If the focus is on winning the World Cup then we have to put the right people in to do that," said Hayton.

"That is the focus for this year. The long-term focus of having an assistant coach who is a Kiwi that we're looking at for the future is still there.

"If there's someone that fits that criteria going towards the World Cup then fantastic but if we don't we're not going to compromise by putting the wrong people in at the wrong time.

"When we get through the World Cup and then start looking forward to the next few years we will be looking at who out there as assistant coaches is a future New Zealand head coach."

Hayton argues McNamara was a logical choice to assist Kidwell due to his role as Warriors assistant coach that sees him working weekly with the Kiwis spine of Issac Luke, Shaun Johnson, Kieran Foran and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

"To bring those players in and bring someone else in to work with the spine, that doesn't make sense when we can get someone who's working with them each week," said Hayton.

"It's not saying that David can't do the job but it's getting the right balance in skill sets in that management structure to get the best results out of all of the players.

"And that's why we haven't made that other assistant coach appointment as yet because we want to get through this week, see how it all runs and 'do we need anyone else' and if we do, what role are they playing?"
 
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Read earlier in the week that Ivan has tossed in that coaching gig to concentrate on the Tigers

Would never happen, but give Tom Raudonikis the job !! Would be entertaining and nobody would get away with not putting in
 
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Richie Blackmore with a scathing assessment of our coaching pathways.

I was wondering on here recently what was happening with Blackmore.

This seems pretty relevant given our lack of ability to promote guys upwards from NZ to an NRL level.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=11850968

"Frustrated former Kiwis international Richie Blackmore has accused the New Zealand Rugby League (NZRL) of neglecting local coaching talent and says national development pathways are a road to nowhere.

Blackmore has reluctantly walked away from coaching after an impressive 14-year career after being repeatedly overlooked for various junior and senior national coaching appointments.

The three-time winner of the Auckland Rugby League Coach of the Year award remains disillusioned after Kiwis head coach David Kidwell declared last September plans to appoint a New Zealander as an assistant coach while emphasising the importance of developing a pathway and succession plan for local coaches.

The 25-test Kiwis wing is critical of the NZRL's appointment process and says the national body is sending mixed messages to aspiring coaches and administrators, having installed former England coach Steve McNamara as an assistant to Kidwell and South Sydney general manager Shane Richardson as New Zealand's campaign manager for the upcoming World Cup.

North Queensland NRL premiership winning coach Paul Green has reportedly also been approached to come on board as a second assistant for the end-of-year tournament.

Their appointments come after former Samoa and one-test Kiwis forward Willie Poching and Australian Justin Morgan were not retained after assisting Kidwell through last year's poor Four Nations campaign.

"The appointments this year right across the board are just a perfect example of pathways being closed to New Zealand-based coaches," said Blackmore.

"I've never had an opportunity to coach a New Zealand representative team and I've been banging that door down the whole time. The messages are mixed because they're constantly saying you need to be on a coaching, managerial, or player pathway but then nothing actually eventuates."

Blackmore has no doubts about the credentials of McNamara, Richardson or Green but believes their appointments raise further questions about Kidwell's ability as a head coach.

"Don't get me wrong " we all need help," he said. "You might bring in a forwards or backs coach if you feel they could add something to the mix.

"I'm not saying they aren't good coaches, that's irrelevant. It contradicts everything they are saying and they've been saying this stuff for far too long."

Blackmore began coaching in 2004 and enjoyed success at club level with Manurewa and Otahuhu and the NZ Maori before winning the New South Wales Coach of the Year award in 2011 after guiding the Auckland Vulcans to the NSW Cup grand final.

After a year in the UK working as general manager with Leigh Centurions, he returned home and applied for the NZ Residents under-18s job but was ruled ineligible because he wasn't on the NZRL coaching pathway.

A return to coaching with Papakura in 2014 put him back on course and that year he was among the final four applicants for the Kiwis head coaching role, before Stephen Kearney was eventually retained and Kidwell introduced as an assistant.

Despite making the shortlist for the top job, Blackmore was again overlooked when Kelvin Wright got the nod as analyst ahead of the Kiwis successful 2014 Four Nations campaign.

"This is where I started to get disappointed in the process and procedures the NZRL were employing," Blackmore said. "I got shortlisted and then couldn't win any role. No pathway was extended to me."

After coaching the Sea Eagles to their maiden Fox Memorial title win last season, the 47-year-old is unsure of what more he can do to advance his career after recently being told a poor interview meant he was denied the chance to coach the Junior Kiwis, with Australian-based former Kiwis World Cup winning captain Nathan Cayless getting the job.

"The big shame is that I think I'm a good coach and I've gone a long way to having a good sound understanding of the game but ultimately I've got to the point where I have thrown it in.

"NZRL have lost a good quality volunteer because they've shown me no support.

"We must have some people in New Zealand that deserve an opportunity."

NZRL boss Alex Hayton would not comment on Blackmore's grievances but insists every effort is made to develop and promote local coaching talent.

A review following last year's disappointing Four Nations campaign revealed the need to provide Kidwell with more support and McNamara and Richardson's appointments have been made with the aim of ensuring the Kiwis have the best chance of performing at the World Cup.

Green's involvement with the Kiwis is not confirmed and Hayton says the opportunity remains for a New Zealander to claim an assistant coach position later this year providing they have the right skills.

"If the focus is on winning the World Cup then we have to put the right people in to do that," said Hayton.

"That is the focus for this year. The long-term focus of having an assistant coach who is a Kiwi that we're looking at for the future is still there.

"If there's someone that fits that criteria going towards the World Cup then fantastic but if we don't we're not going to compromise by putting the wrong people in at the wrong time.

"When we get through the World Cup and then start looking forward to the next few years we will be looking at who out there as assistant coaches is a future New Zealand head coach."

Hayton argues McNamara was a logical choice to assist Kidwell due to his role as Warriors assistant coach that sees him working weekly with the Kiwis spine of Issac Luke, Shaun Johnson, Kieran Foran and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

"To bring those players in and bring someone else in to work with the spine, that doesn't make sense when we can get someone who's working with them each week," said Hayton.

"It's not saying that David can't do the job but it's getting the right balance in skill sets in that management structure to get the best results out of all of the players.

"And that's why we haven't made that other assistant coach appointment as yet because we want to get through this week, see how it all runs and 'do we need anyone else' and if we do, what role are they playing?"

Richy makes some points,
Eg not valid to apply as not on NZRL pathway.
I agree to get rid of that, but wouldn't help him as opens up to best coaches then eg Ballamy.

Why did he head to UK as general manager after NSW coach of year award? He should of been looking at assistant roles at NRL level.

Feel sorry for him, but there are limited opportunities in NZ and needs to look in Aussie to build up his CV.

If we lose to England at World cup I hope it opens there eyes. (Since they have non Englishman coaching)
 

Penrose Warrior

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Kidwell was one of the architects of Kemble's demise leading into the 2008 World Cup, was he not? I presume that such is his stance on overthrowing rubbish coaches, he'll have no problem if the current crop do the same to him.

Honestly, international rugby league is irrelevant enough without having a dunce like him in charge. Best thing the Kiwis can do is install a better assistant and let them run the show.
 
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Kidwell was one of the architects of Kemble's demise leading into the 2008 World Cup, was he not? I presume that such is his stance on overthrowing rubbish coaches, he'll have no problem if the current crop do the same to him.

Yup, and Asotasi who was captain at the time. Funnily enough, Asotasi played stuff all tests after that. Mainly due to injury around WC 2008 time, but form after that.
 

JJ

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"The big shame is that I think I'm a good coach"

Brilliant Richie, thanks - pretty sure David Kidwell, Andrew McFadden, Matt Elliott, and an array of others also think they're good coaches

bluey wasnt the best technical coach but f**k me he got the players to bleed for the jersey

Yep, and Meninga's doing that too - at the end of the day with short build ups that's kind of what it's about, in contrast to NRL

That said, what the f**k was up, if our tactics were for Johnson to play 'shit Benji' and run across field all day hoping for the Roos to open up like the Red Sea, then Johnson and Kidwell need to have a re-think... Foran wasn't great, but at least he was direct, and with Bromwich, JT, and Tapau we in theory had an advantage through the middle with ball in hand - and I really hate it when people say "but we won the second half" - pretty obvious what that means...
 

SpaceMonkey

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I dunno if Bluey can recover the lost mana from his disastrous Warriors stint unfortunately. It's a shame really.
 
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^Meninga recovered his mana after he failed as Raiders coach. Bluey at least has some runs on the board as a rep coach, Meninga had none when he took over QLD in 06. I think Bluey deserves another chance. He obviously wasn't suited to the NRL (plus had to deal with the bro culture), but he's the man for rep coaching.

Turf Kidwell asap. He's an absolute amateur in every way imaginable, and it's extremely noticeable.
 

ZEROMISSTACKLES

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I wish David Kidwell was a poster here on our forum. Most of my questions for him will just happen to start with "why the f@$k..."

On the flipside, the coach cant take all the blame. Lets start with one player. Kidwell mustve been extremely gutted when he heard Jessie got done for coke because he wouldve figured that he would have to answer to it. Last I saw of Kidwell on the news, he looked a tad bit like he was going to cry, it was emotional.

As for the whole team, whos really performing like theyre in form for their NRL club? I think Taumalolo is average by his high standards (which is still good). Foran was coming in to it a bit but at the moment Id say average. Apart from Rapana everyones just average. Kidwell cant really be blamed for where some of the players are at off the field and in regards to form. You can blame him for selections but he has an average performing NRL bunch to pick from while Meningas picks from the best of the NRL pretty much because theyre Australian of course. IMO Bellamy would pick slightly different players for us but we still wouldnt beat the Roos even if he was coach.
 

TheDMC

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Since Kidwell became coach, has there been one single positive thing happen?
- forgot to use his key forward interchanges in first game (forgot he was coach I guess)
- drew against Scotland
- lost badly and repeatedly to Oz
- team culture and discipline gone way downhill it seems

Ok we did scrape past England, but f**k me bring back Bluey for the World Cup.
 

Penrose Warrior

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I dunno if Bluey can recover the lost mana from his disastrous Warriors stint unfortunately. It's a shame really.

Nah, me neither. I'm sure it's well known in Kiwis circles how and why Bluey failed so badly in Penrose. As with McFadden, it wasn't his fault he was appointed to a role he wasn't equipped for.

Paul Green is the best bet, but that's presuming the NZRL would drop this pathetic 'only homegrown' mentality. We're far too weak, and so is our coaching structure/depth, to even consider such a stance.

Kidwell stinks. One win v England is probably all that's keeping him in a job around a whole bunch of other ineptness.
 
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I wish David Kidwell was a poster here on our forum. Most of my questions for him will just happen to start with "why the f@$k..."

On the flipside, the coach cant take all the blame. Lets start with one player. Kidwell mustve been extremely gutted when he heard Jessie got done for coke because he wouldve figured that he would have to answer to it. Last I saw of Kidwell on the news, he looked a tad bit like he was going to cry, it was emotional.

As for the whole team, whos really performing like theyre in form for their NRL club? I think Taumalolo is average by his high standards (which is still good). Foran was coming in to it a bit but at the moment Id say average. Apart from Rapana everyones just average. Kidwell cant really be blamed for where some of the players are at off the field and in regards to form. You can blame him for selections but he has an average performing NRL bunch to pick from while Meningas picks from the best of the NRL pretty much because theyre Australian of course. IMO Bellamy would pick slightly different players for us but we still wouldnt beat the Roos even if he was coach.

Taupau has been as damaging as any forward in the comp, he sat on the bench for far too long

The Aussies bunch had mainly been in pretty average form too, especially from 1-5, but lift for these games, probably because they have quality in the spine making them look better, something ours doesn't do
 

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