Who would have thought...

[eastsrule]

If the ARU uses their intelligence to create a national competition similar to the NPC in NZ. Union will dominate League.

What Union is crying out for is something between club and Super 12, that will get decent coverage and some entertaining matches.

I would say expansion of the Super 12 is another option. Add teams from Japan, Argentina and Fiji.

Japan and Fiji are 2 of the most exciting rugby nations in the world, as shown at the World Cup.

 

[thomo]

If the ARU uses their intelligence to create a national competition similar to the NPC in NZ. Union will dominate League.

What Union is crying out for is something between club and Super 12, that will get decent coverage and some entertaining matches.

I would say expansion of the Super 12 is another option. Add teams from Japan, Argentina and Fiji.

Japan and Fiji are 2 of the most exciting rugby nations in the world, as shown at the World Cup.

No reason they can't do both. A national competition is vital as the standard of rugby drops dramatically from Super 12 to club rugby. This will help spread the game nationally. An extended Super 12 is also a good idea to spread the game internationally. I agree about Japan and Argentina but not sure whether a pacific team would be financially viable. Argentina also need to be added to the Tri-nations competition as the game is on the brink over there at the moment.

 

[thomo]

What I would like to see in National competition:

- 3 Sydney teams
- 3 Brisbane teams
- Central Coast
- NSW country
- QLD country
- Canberra
- Melbourne
- Perth

Super 14's:

- 4 NZ sides (bye bye Chiefs)
- 4 Aussie sides (add team based in Perth and Melbourne)
- 4 SA teams
- Japanese team
- Argentine team

 

[bayrep]

What I would like to see in National competition:

- 3 Sydney teams
- 3 Brisbane teams
- Central Coast
- NSW country
- QLD country
- Canberra
- Melbourne
- Perth

Super 14's:

- 4 NZ sides (bye bye Chiefs)
- 4 Aussie sides (add team based in Perth and Melbourne)
- 4 SA teams
- Japanese team
- Argentine team

Why is it that NZ has to drop a team ? SA have shown that they are the perienial wooden spooners of the comp with the Bulls. It was only this year that they have managed to get out of the bottom 2 of the ladder. Also I think an Island team needs to be in the mix.

 

[bayrep]

The crowds have only added to the game. As for stating that the mexican wave is through bordem is a load of crap

Actually - it has been scientifically shown that the likelihood of a mexican wave starting is proportional to the boredom of spectators

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s720551.htm

Basiclly Baz, what a load of crap, at not one of the events I have been to was the wave casued because of boredom. As I have stated in my previous post the crowd was hyped the games were good the crowd was large and everyone got into the whole event.

It shows how desperate some league fans are to prove that union is boring by bringing this sad little article up. Shell we throw it in leagues face when we have our next world cup ? just as league is doing with the score blow outs that are occuring now.

You made a statement that was based on your own theary with nothing to back it up.

I provided a scientific study that contridicted your theory.

From my own anecdotal evidence, I have seen waves at cricket and rugby league games - and from memory they were during the less spectacular parts of the game. Next time you see a wave at a cricket game - I am almost certain it will stop for a while if there is a wicket or a boundary.

Are there any other scientific studies that you think are a load of crap?

:lol: No you have offered me one paper on it with the conclusion from one person. Did you know that in the United States that the waste product from nuclear power (reduced to a white powder) used to be sprayed on gardens, houses and people as study showed that it could kill any insect or parasite. Obviously after a few years went by and a bit more study by a lot more people they discovered it killed humans as well. They have actual footage of tankers driving along suburban streets with people running out of their homes so that they could get some sprayed on them like everyone else.

Another words if you want to read or hear and believe everything that you pick up then who am I to stop you.

When the crowd started doing the Mexican wave in the France v Scotland game the Rugby commentators even said it was a sign of a "dull" moment in the game.

Read above.

 

[thomo]

Why is it that NZ has to drop a team ? SA have shown that they are the perienial wooden spooners of the comp with the Bulls. It was only this year that they have managed to get out of the bottom 2 of the ladder. Also I think an Island team needs to be in the mix.

Just trying to stir up a few kiwis! I would have no problem with dropping a SA team but the Chiefs have struggled for quite a while now and it could be argued that the North Island already has 2 strong teams in the Hurricanes and Blues.

I guess it depends how many teams they would be willing to increase it to. A Pacific Islands team and possibly a USA team are other future options but I would be concerned about the financial viability of a PI team.

 

[t-ba]

A National competition wouldn't work. S12 makes no impact on Television, so without the benefit of the SANZAR Pay TV agreement and Crowds like a S12 match or even merchandising, where will these clubs get their cash from?

Super 12 has to be a success on Commercial television before the ARU can really contemplate a National competition. Otherwise, They'd empty their war chest within ten years by propping up broke clubs without the aid of a decent TV deal, competing with the AFL and NRL on their own level and buying enough quality players from the Islands and League to fill out quality outfits able to compete. Now is just not the time or the place to launch such a competition.

 

[bazza]

No you have offered me one paper on it with the conclusion from one person. Did you know that in the United States that the waste product from nuclear power (reduced to a white powder) used to be sprayed on gardens, houses and people as study showed that it could kill any insect or parasite. Obviously after a few years went by and a bit more study by a lot more people they discovered it killed humans as well. They have actual footage of tankers driving along suburban streets with people running out of their homes so that they could get some sprayed on them like everyone else.

Fine - please offer some evidence that the crowd doing a Mexican wave means that they find the game exciting.

So far you have given your opinion. Other people have given their opinion to the opposite - thus cancelling yours out and I have provded a scientific paper with some evidence that Mexican waves occure during periods of boredom at a match.

So far you have not been very convincing

 

[bayrep]

No you have offered me one paper on it with the conclusion from one person. Did you know that in the United States that the waste product from nuclear power (reduced to a white powder) used to be sprayed on gardens, houses and people as study showed that it could kill any insect or parasite. Obviously after a few years went by and a bit more study by a lot more people they discovered it killed humans as well. They have actual footage of tankers driving along suburban streets with people running out of their homes so that they could get some sprayed on them like everyone else.

Fine - please offer some evidence that the crowd doing a Mexican wave means that they find the game exciting.

So far you have given your opinion. Other people have given their opinion to the opposite - thus cancelling yours out and I have provded a scientific paper with some evidence that Mexican waves occure during periods of boredom at a match.

So far you have not been very convincing

No, so far you have given me one paper that you have lauded about to say that this must be the bible of all papers to prove that the wave is only produced when eveyone is bored. Why do I need to produce a paper contry to this ? you are the one making the wild claims. I am disputing the paper as I am not like the rest of the sheep that believes everything I read.

I dont dispute other peoples opinions as they are just that. I am disputing your paper I refuse to believe something from one person just because they were bored at a given game(s) and have since written a paper on it. Your the person making the claims you produce more, I can give further facts on one off reports that have claimed one thing and then later proved something else.

 

[bazza]

As for stating that the mexican wave is through bordem is a load of crap, I have been to league, cricket, union and soccer games where they have all done it, not becuase the game was boring but becuase the crowd tends to be hyped up enjoying the occasion there is a big crowd and watching it in action with a wave is an amazing sight.

How can it be a "load of crap" if there is some evidence to back it up

I could say that starting a wave because "watching the action with a wave is an amazing sight" is a load of crap - as you have nothing to back it up but for your opinion

Here are a few other articles of a similar vein with extra anecdotal evidence:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/09/11/1031608270893.html

http://angel.elte.hu/wave/

Also here is a list of media organisations with no credibility who have published articles relating to this load of crap paper

http://angel.elte.hu/wave/index.cgi?m=response

Here is an article that may support your argument

http://www.suntimes.co.za/sport/soccer/worldcup/2002/diary/bonnyjune16.asp

The author tells a story of a delayed train on a crowded sbuway platform. To entertain themselves the crowd start a wave. Obviously the excitement of waiting for the train was what did it

 

[Dean Moriarty]

This argument has got so dull that I may be forced to start a cyberwave.

All together now, 3...2...1...

8)

 

[bayrep]

As for stating that the mexican wave is through bordem is a load of crap, I have been to league, cricket, union and soccer games where they have all done it, not becuase the game was boring but becuase the crowd tends to be hyped up enjoying the occasion there is a big crowd and watching it in action with a wave is an amazing sight.

How can it be a "load of crap" if there is some evidence to back it up

I could say that starting a wave because "watching the action with a wave is an amazing sight" is a load of crap - as you have nothing to back it up but for your opinion

Here are a few other articles of a similar vein with extra anecdotal evidence:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/09/11/1031608270893.html

http://angel.elte.hu/wave/

Also here is a list of media organisations with no credibility who have published articles relating to this load of crap paper

http://angel.elte.hu/wave/index.cgi?m=response

Here is an article that may support your argument

http://www.suntimes.co.za/sport/soccer/worldcup/2002/diary/bonnyjune16.asp

The author tells a story of a delayed train on a crowded sbuway platform. To entertain themselves the crowd start a wave. Obviously the excitement of waiting for the train was what did it

At least your convinced Baz, well done.

 

[bazza]

At least your convinced Baz, well done.

I will be convinced that the wave is due to an exciting game when the wave starts up as the RU cup final is locked at 15 all and the All Blacks are making a charge down field. I am sure the only way the wave will stop is if the game is stopped to form a scrum

 

[bayrep]

At least your convinced Baz, well done.

I will be convinced that the wave is due to an exciting game when the wave starts up as the RU cup final is locked at 15 all and the All Blacks are making a charge down field. I am sure the only way the wave will stop is if the game is stopped to form a scrum

And there was not a hint of sarcasim in your reply good to see.

 

[Marcus]

Last night Uruguay and Georgia played in front of 28,576 people - unbelieve attendance considering this one between minnows attracted a big big crowd. Uruguay won 24-12, and celebrated like they just won a championship - great scenes. They had quite a few Uruguayan supports in the crowd and after the match some of the team members jumped into the stand to celebrate - great moment.

Who would have though.

 

[bazza]

Last night Uruguay and Georgia played in front of 28,576 people - unbelieve attendance considering this one between minnows attracted a big big crowd. Uruguay won 24-12, and celebrated like they just won a championship - great scenes. They had quite a few Uruguayan supports in the crowd and after the match some of the team members jumped into the stand to celebrate - great moment.

Who would have though.

I didn't see the game - what was it like?

You never mentioned it

 

[bayrep]

Last night Uruguay and Georgia played in front of 28,576 people - unbelieve attendance considering this one between minnows attracted a big big crowd. Uruguay won 24-12, and celebrated like they just won a championship - great scenes. They had quite a few Uruguayan supports in the crowd and after the match some of the team members jumped into the stand to celebrate - great moment.

Who would have though.

I didn't see the game - what was it like?

You never mentioned it

Georgia looked like they had played one to many games. laps in defence and in handling where in prior games those were the things that people were praising them for. Uruguay on the other hand looked like they knew this was their final and played allot more with control. Urugauy played allot through their forwards which didnt make much for a spectical and Georgia tried to play it through their backs but hands let them down. The crowd was fantastic really lifted both teams I think and it was good to see both teams acknowledge the crowd.