Who's left to sign?

[timka4]

300k a year for a guy who's played 1/2 dozen 1st grade games is massive overs IMO, I mean his value is going down by 10k increments every game he's playing atm.
I'm not concerned about the amount we pay someone, its more a case of who we actually want. I mean if we want to give Beau Henry 150k a year for 4 years

That's exactly what I was about to say

 

[Jobdog]

JM

Good point, I went Sunday and was pretty relaxed the whole game, I had zero expectations and once again the team met those expectations.

The danger is that if really passionate fans are tuning out, the everyday fans, which the club needs desperately, are lost.

And thats the real danger for the club in this sh*t season.

Same for me actually. Didn't even get the slightest bit excited when we trailed by 2 with about 5 minutes left on the clock and were pressing the Warriors line because I just knew we'd f**k it up.

As for the signings of players, you're right - the clock is ticking and the only signing we're likely to come up with is Beau Henry. If that's the case, lets just hope he's the Messiah :crazy:

 

[Newie is God's Country]

We can only hope our boys in suits are keeping their cards very firmly to their chest but I have to agree that it is looking unlikely based on current evidence.

 

[cram]

I am wondering why Beau Henry's supposed signing is not going to be announced till after Origin? At least thats what was reported in the Newcastle Paper several weeks ago.

 

[perverse]

I am wondering why Beau Henry's supposed signing is not going to be announced till after Origin? At least thats what was reported in the Newcastle Paper several weeks ago.

from what i hear, the ball is in Beaus court on that one. he was hoping to get a run in first grade over the origin period. why it hasn't been announced by now is anyones guess... i'd say it's pretty obvious to uncle wayne that he's not going to be around next year by now, and he's hardly going to debut him if he doesn't have a future at the dragons.

 

[cram]

from what i hear, the ball is in Beaus court on that one. he was hoping to get a run in first grade over the origin period. why it hasn't been announced by now is anyones guess... i'd say it's pretty obvious to uncle wayne that he's not going to be around next year by now, and he's hardly going to debut him if he doesn't have a future at the dragons.

Ok, that makes sense I guess. I take it if we sign Henry he will be looked upon as straight into starting halfback position??

Looks as if Kimmorley will definately be on the market but can't see the point of bringing him here unless its on small money as his career is well and truly in the twilight years.

 

[perverse]

Ok, that makes sense I guess. I take it if we sign Henry he will be looked upon as straight into starting halfback position??

Looks as if Kimmorley will definately be on the market but can't see the point of bringing him here unless its on small money as his career is well and truly in the twilight years.

half or 5/8th i would imagine. i think he's another natural 5/8th turn halfback at some stage.

kimmorley... well, had you said to me 12 weeks ago he'd make an alright signing i would have told you you're dead set loopy due primarily to the reason you specified. now, though? i'd kill to have a half with his composure, kicking game and experience for a year or 2. at the right price, of course... but i think the right price for us is rising every week with our desperation. my thinking is that we should be able to find at least 1 or 2 first grade quality halves out of Tyler Sullivan, Will Smith, Tyrone Roberts and Beau Henry over the next 2 years... and noddy would be an excellent old head to have around to help these boys out.

it was nice to see Mullo pull his head out of his arse at times against the warriors, too. looked a lot more threatening... but it was still only his running game. the rest of it is still ominously missing.

 

[alexwilliams_66692007]

so if we sign beau henry after origin does that mean he'll be able to play out the rest of the year with us?

 

[perverse]

so if we sign beau henry after origin does that mean he'll be able to play out the rest of the year with us?

no. it is a signing for next year and beyond... from what i've read/heard anyway. given that we've signed Dodge up for a further 2 years and Mullo is our untouchable golden child i think we will stick with them for the rest of the year.

i'm not against it, either. Dodge has done nothing this year to deserve anything but being cemented in the 5/8th position. he's one of the few blokes you can say has a red hot dig every time he plays... and as enigmatic as he can be, is still our most threatening half at the club given Mullos current form.

i've always liked Dodge as a player... and he seems like a real top bloke off the field from what i can tell, too. i can imagine he's a pretty popular bloke in the playing group. all he has ever lacked in his game is consistency... and fans of any club he's ever played at will tell you all about the skill and ability he has. tbh he's been pretty consistently good for us this year when he's been on the park... he certainly hasn't had a clanger that i can remember.

 

[Alex28]

300k a year for a guy who's played 1/2 dozen 1st grade games is massive overs IMO, I mean his value is going down by 10k increments every game he's playing atm.
I'm not concerned about the amount we pay someone, its more a case of who we actually want. I mean if we want to give Beau Henry 150k a year for 4 years I wouldn't be too upset, but we signed Brad Tighe for that amount I'd be spewing

Guess what champ? That is where the market is at. If we want players this year we probably need to pay more than those levels to get the players here...

 

[Yosh]

Would have been really nice to see Kimmorley here 2 years ago. Like if he signed instead of the dogs...

Would have allowed Mullen to play his more natural game, probably developed alot better as well. I'd say that Dureau with Kimmorely guidance and coming off the bench etc for a season or two would have made him a much better player as well...

 

[perverse]

Guess what champ? That is where the market is at. If we want players this year we probably need to pay more than those levels to get the players here...

exactly.

given the figures that i've heard get thrown around behind closed doors, particularly in regards to player valuations this season... i can't help but laugh at what some forumites believe a players value to be. the fact is, a players value is whatever someone is willing to pay for him... not what he offers on the field. just like the rest of society, the gap between well paid players and not well paid seems to be widening... and i see far far less "middle class" players anymore. it seems these days you're either on marquee coin, or on peanuts. in fact the only players you get for middle-ground coin are generally local blokes who don't mind staying at home for a bit less.

that, and all the middle-class players seem to be playing for bloody st george at the moment.

fact is - you have to pay overs and be aggressive in the current market to get anywhere. our club is in a very unenviable position at the moment with the cap raises and whatnot... and i think hodkinson going for nearly $300k a year pretty much typifies the current market.

 

[otori]

exactly.

given the figures that i've heard get thrown around behind closed doors, particularly in regards to player valuations this season... i can't help but laugh at what some forumites believe a players value to be. the fact is, a players value is whatever someone is willing to pay for him... not what he offers on the field. just like the rest of society, the gap between well paid players and not well paid seems to be widening... and i see far far less "middle class" players anymore. it seems these days you're either on marquee coin, or on peanuts. in fact the only players you get for middle-ground coin are generally local blokes who don't mind staying at home for a bit less.

that, and all the middle-class players seem to be playing for bloody st george at the moment.

fact is - you have to pay overs and be aggressive in the current market to get anywhere. our club is in a very unenviable position at the moment with the cap raises and whatnot... and i think hodkinson going for nearly $300k a year pretty much typifies the current market.

This is actually a really well thought out post. It's interesting to think about this sort of thing now and where we're headed with money. I'd say the minimum wage would have to be on the rise very soon. Then again, you look at the coin players like D. Taylor, Burgess, Jeremy Smith and Poore among others are on and they're middling to high.

 

[Whats Doing]

With Hodgkinson already gone for next year, what price Manly are currently negotiating with Cronk irrespective whether he is supposed to be off limits at this time

 

[Alex28]

I'm really not sure whether anybody is obeying the "hands off the contracted Storm" edict which was handed down. Nobody has been signed yet that hasn't been off contract this year yet. Hard to tell wat is going on.

I actually think it is also hard to tell how guys like Cronk and Inglis are going to do away from a team of stars. How they would go with us if we were to pay through the nose for one of them. Easy to look good with that many rep players around you...

What the signing of Hodkinson says is that figures like $400K for an Adam Blair or a Sika Manu is probably closer to the mark than we would like to think...

 

[Serc]

half or 5/8th i would imagine. i think he's another natural 5/8th turn halfback at some stage.

What?!?1?! Another Mullen? Can someone confirm this please?

And when I say 'another Mullen' I mean another player who is being played out of position, not said in a disparaging way

 

[perverse]

What?!?1?! Another Mullen? Can someone confirm this please?

And when I say 'another Mullen' I mean another player who is being played out of position, not said in a disparaging way

yes, another Mullen. it would be nice to get some confirmation from a Dragons fan with adequate knowledge of their junior system, though, as i'm not 100% on it. the difference being i think Henry has been moved to halfback much earlier in his career than Mullen was.

but yes, probably very similar stories really. i haven't seen much of Henry this year (i've heard he's been a bit underwhelming actually)... but last year i saw a fair bit of him, and he occasionally looked godlike out there. untouchable.

he's also a goal kicker.

 

[Serc]

Ok mate I'll just sit tight and keep watching

It also doesn't help that Saints are on Ch 9 (almost) every week, so nobody gets to see their NYC team.

 

[perverse]

looks like we've dodged a massive bullet and missed out on Perry. he's headed to St. Helens.

source.

 

[Yosh]

Get Ricky Stuart.

Throw 450k at Cronk. Surely he can't ignore that...
Then 400k at Blair.

Fix up defence.

We'll go from there.