Why do we have to add players to 'make up the 25' now?

[oldmancraigy]

A bit confused reading through the sentiment of 'well Watmough is gone for half price and we will take someone back at half minimum to fill his spot'

Why?

If Watmough, Morgan and Peats are counting against our salary cap, and for more than $80k on the season, then they occupy a 'top 25 spot'. We have no need to spend a further $80k (or pro rated $40ish k) to fill the spot - we can use 2nd tier players in case of injury.

This is the same thing the club has been through in the past while (not yet caught for) cheating - we played with less than 25 of our top 25 paid players at the club.

Could we make a big splash for next season?
Due to the weird fashion this has been orchestrated, we are going to find ourselves well below the cap based on current contracts

To explain:
The cap is $6.8m
We are over by (allegedly) $570k
We have had to drop $570k to comply.
Watmough $425k
Morgan $90k
Peats $150k
(the commonly bandied about numbers)

However, from our full year pay scale we have relieved ourselves of double that burden - no help in the current year, but for next years squad it means we have effectively freed up $1.33m in salaries.
Remember, we are cap compliant in the current season without TPAs from prior years being assessed to the current years cap.
And the cap rises by $200k next year.

SO: assuming our top 22 players stay for next season on their current deals (or are replaced by a similarly paid player), then we are able to round out our top 25 with 3 players paid in excess of $500k each.

Yes, yes, I realize there are guys in the current 22 who are expiring and need to be retained - some on significantly higher coin. I suppose it's worth noting that Giving Norman close to a mill would still leave us a million to round out the last 3 spots - or the ability to throw mega bucks at a top line forward, and bring in 2 youngsters to the top squad on minimum wage (Twal? Dargan?)

 

[Smirrors]

Really loleels question.

Because thats the rules.

we can use 2nd tier players in case of injury.

If you brought in 3 nuffies, you would have to use these 3 nuffies before reaching the 2nd tier players.

 

[eel01s]

Theoretically we are in an excellent position cap wise for 2017. However who is to say the NRL won't add some TPAs to our cap next year?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Really loleels question.

Because thats the rules.



If you brought in 3 nuffies, you would have to use these 3 nuffies before reaching the 2nd tier players.

Is it ? Look at reports from our last two years, we broke our second tier cap as we had less then 25 players in our top 25, due to releasing players to other clubs but still paying them.

 

[yy_cheng]

Yeah, I reckon all our TPA will be in the cap next year including Foran's.

Probably only new TPA, will not be.

There is also a $600k and $400k allowance I believe for Long serving and Marquee allowance. (Dont know which is what price)

So assuming Foran uses the Marquee and Mannah uses the Long serving one

 

[parra-matters]

as for 2017, once we re-sign Norman and couple of others and sign Segeyaro from Penrith then that's it i'd say. Looks like Alvaro, Mannah and Wicks are our props next year.

 

[yy_cheng]

as for 2017, once we re-sign Norman and couple of others and sign Segeyaro from Penrith then that's it i'd say. Looks like Alvaro, Mannah and Wicks are our props next year.

This is who we have next year

2017
Fullback: Gutherson,French
W/C: Folau, Taka, Jennings, Morgan, Radradra
Half: Foran
Hooker: Pritchard
Edge forward: Edwards, Gower, Ma'u, Moeroa, Scott
Tight forward: Alvaro, Mannah, Terepo, Twal


Probably ok for edge forward and W/C. Fullback has very little NRL experience as with hooker.

So we will be a shadow of this year but it was always going to come to that due to the timing of the contracts ending.

That's why I said, this year was our best chance.

The only ones of note that is considered on dollars is Jennings, Foran, Scott as Mannah would use alot of the long serving allowance

Would love a big no nonsense body in the team who just runs it up hard and fast. (ALthough Peni is doing well in that area).

Is Kane Evans off contract? Or the Manly Brent Lawrence

 

[Joshuatheeel]

as for 2017, once we re-sign Norman and couple of others and sign Segeyaro from Penrith then that's it i'd say. Looks like Alvaro, Mannah and Wicks are our props next year.

I reckon we could pick up a cheapie prop which while not as good as Paulo, will do the job.

Don't forget wicks is off contract.

 

[Chipmunk]

I reckon we could pick up a cheapie prop which while not as good as Paulo, will do the job.

Don't forget wicks is off contract.

I think you're underestimating the importance of front rowers.

 

[Parra]

What we have learned is that the NRL can take tpa values from one year and apply the value to any other year.

 

[parra-matters]

I reckon we could pick up a cheapie prop which while not as good as Paulo, will do the job.

Don't forget wicks is off contract.

He was one of the "couple of others"
We may even re-sign Gordon for one more year, he would be on less than $200k you'd think.
Scott plays in the middle for part of the game, also Teropo is a middle forward who has improved a lot this year.
We have top 8 team next year not sure it's a top 4 team bu top 8 for sure.

 

[parra-matters]

What we have learned is that the NRL can take tpa values from one year and apply the value to any other year.

And we hope that anything else that comes up in the future with any other club is treated the same.
Plenty of rumors of a couple more clubs about to have info in the media about their 3rd party deals.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I think you're underestimating the importance of front rowers.

Don't worry I do!! But I think it's one position where it is very possible to find some cheap rough diamonds that will do you the job. Yeah it would be nice time have rep quality but is not always possible.

Look at manly they never had really top level rep quality props during their period at the top, Roosters found a cheapie in Sam for their winning year ( yeah I know they had JWH). Even the Cowboys while their front row is top class they only had tradesman like back rowers.

It's getting the balance right.

 

[Chipmunk]

Don't worry I do!! But I think it's one position where it is very possible to find some cheap rough diamonds that will do you the job. Yeah it would be nice time have rep quality but is not always possible.

Look at manly they never had really top level rep quality props during their period at the top, Roosters found a cheapie in Sam for their winning year ( yeah I know they had JWH). Even the Cowboys while their front row is top class they only had tradesman like back rowers.

It's getting the balance right.

Brent Kite was a better player than any player we've currently got in our front row.

 

[ek999]

Don't worry I do!! But I think it's one position where it is very possible to find some cheap rough diamonds that will do you the job. Yeah it would be nice time have rep quality but is not always possible.

Look at manly they never had really top level rep quality props during their period at the top, Roosters found a cheapie in Sam for their winning year ( yeah I know they had JWH). Even the Cowboys while their front row is top class they only had tradesman like back rowers.

It's getting the balance right.

You are severely underestimating the quality of Ethan Lowe and Gavin Cooper

 

[Joshuatheeel]

You are severely underestimating the quality of Ethan Lowe and Gavin Cooper

Definitely not doubting their quality they are great players, but if you put either one of them in a both 3 side would they be mentioned as possible rep players ? I don't think they would.

I reckon they benefit big time from playing along side an international combo of 13,10,8,7,6.

Just trying to make the point that we could probably get away without requiring rep quality props as we have a fair bit of quality in other positions.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Definitely not doubting their quality they are great players, but if you put either one of them in a both 3 side would they be mentioned as possible rep players ? I don't think they would.

I reckon they benefit big time from playing along side an international combo of 13,10,8,7,6.

Just trying to make the point that we could probably get away without requiring rep quality props as we have a fair bit of quality in other positions.

Exactly. Everyone looks better in a strong team, just as everyone looks worse in a weak one. Every club has half a dozen players of 'fringe rep' quality, and it's the fringe reps from the strong clubs who invariably pick up the leftover Origin/Kiwi spots when their club side is going well, and get dropped when their club side is struggling. The genuine stars (of which there aren't enough to fill two Origin sides plus the NZ national team) make the rep sides no matter how bad their club team is going.

 

[strider]

You cant win a comp without a good roster. And you cant get a good roster without alot of TPAs. And ours will be under massive scrutiny now irrespective of who is i charge. We are pretty much f**ked.

#staypositive

 

[oldmancraigy]

Really loleels question.

Because thats the rules.



If you brought in 3 nuffies, you would have to use these 3 nuffies before reaching the 2nd tier players.

I think perhaps you struggle to understand the rules?

The rule is that the 25 top paid players make up the top 25 (with a minimum salary of $80k)

We had a top 25, can you please point me to the rule that states that if one of them quits the club, or is released (but still paid), or whatever, that the club is bound to sign a new player into the squad for a minimum of $80k?

Interested to hear your lolresponse.

 

[oldmancraigy]

You cant win a comp without a good roster. And you cant get a good roster without alot of TPAs. And ours will be under massive scrutiny now irrespective of who is i charge. We are pretty much f**ked.

#staypositive

How can they find something new yet again?

They have had 2nd helpings, surely they can't go back for thirds?
The line (as far as I understand it) is that the only reason we are sitting at $570k over for this season is because they lumped on some prior year cheaty TPAs.
No denying we have been found guilty, but they can't lump those on again, they have now been dealt with...

We're in a good spot to sign a big name (or at least to double Normans deal, and pick up 3 blokes on that $300k range - or above average first grader level).

How much would it cost to snare Paul Vaughan from the Raiders? Or Kane Evans? Or bring back Gower for peanuts and throw $600k at Napa?

There will be fauxrage if we get a big name. Count on it! But the NRL has kind of gifted us this position with the dumb double count penalty.