Why do we pass the ball back 3-5 metres from the ruck to the ball runner?

[RedV Resurgence]

We seem to like to run one out a lot, and the ball runner takes the ball 3 -5 metres behind the ruck. This means that the impact occurs 1-3m in fornt of the previous tackle. When you watch other teams, they are always flat passes to slightly backwards. Meaning they will gain at least 5-10m. Our timing is way off!

The opposition are awake to this, and rush our runners - nullifying our progress.

Its time for our halves to run at the line and our runners to follow - this will stop the defensive line rushing up.

We also need to drop at least one of our centres, they are not performing. They look great when our halves positioned them, but they can't setup anything themselves.

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

Because that was the winning game plan at the start of the year when the refs were enforcing the 10m.
It’s no coincidence that we started to go backwards when the crackdown stopped.
Other teams adapted, we didn’t.

 

[SaintPauli]

Yeah policing the 10m rule is the same as the salary cap! They, NRL say they are on top if it, BUT they THE CLUBS are exploiting it!

The game is shambles right now. No consistency and too many chiefs and rule changes during a season. So so frustrating...........

 

[RedV Resurgence]

Because that was the winning game plan at the start of the year when the refs were enforcing the 10m.
It’s no coincidence that we started to go backwards when the crackdown stopped.
Other teams adapted, we didn’t.

They seem to be applying the 10m rule on Saturday quite stringently. On us and not the opposition.

 

[Blood Shot Eyes]

They seem to be applying the 10m rule on Saturday quite stringently. On us and not the opposition.

Same applied when we played the Warriors twice..watched the game with my son on Sat night and he pointed out every time the opposition played the ball our marker or markers stepped back a few metres before moving forward..same with our defence in general we always seem to back peddle or go sideways before we attempt to tackle the opposition....I suppose on the odd occassion we did move up ( legally I might add) we got pinged

 

[True_Believer]

Because that was the winning game plan at the start of the year when the refs were enforcing the 10m.
It’s no coincidence that we started to go backwards when the crackdown stopped.
Other teams adapted, we didn’t.

I don't think the others adapted - they never stopped playing the game they've always played. I guess they just assumed (and correctly mind you) that things would eventually go back to the way they had always been.

I noticed last year that we play this way - getting off the players quickly, retreating after each tackle etc. We aren't good at controlling the ruck - and that's been at least for the last 2 years. We seem to want to play "by the rules" that aren't actually enforced (or at least aren't enforced for other teams).

Those first 3 penalties on Saturday night were soft - as was the sin binning. Definitely a contributor to the result, but not the source of the problem.

 

[hazzbeen]

The biggest problem for me is soon as a team scores there is very little resistance from the team . Score 1 then the flood gates open up . They have no chance of any come back of late because the points are not there anymore ....

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

I don't think the others adapted - they never stopped playing the game they've always played. I guess they just assumed (and correctly mind you) that things would eventually go back to the way they had always been.

I noticed last year that we play this way - getting off the players quickly, retreating after each tackle etc. We aren't good at controlling the ruck - and that's been at least for the last 2 years. We seem to want to play "by the rules" that aren't actually enforced (or at least aren't enforced for other teams).

Those first 3 penalties on Saturday night were soft - as was the sin binning. Definitely a contributor to the result, but not the source of the problem.

I dunno about that?
Other teams stand deeper and spread the ball from sideline to sideline to combat the rushing defence.
I’ve lost count of how many times our players receive the ball flat footed these days.

 

[True_Believer]

I dunno about that?
Other teams stand deeper and spread the ball from sideline to sideline to combat the rushing defence.
I’ve lost count of how many times our players receive the ball flat footed these days.

which part don't you know about? They may do this, but that's not what I was talking about.

 

[Bests Golden Boots]

which part don't you know about? They may do this, but that's not what I was talking about.

The bit that other teams adapt and we don’t, we never adapt during the season, hence the inevitable slides.

 

[True_Believer]

The bit that other teams adapt and we don’t, we never adapt during the season, hence the inevitable slides.

What I am saying is that other teams have been doing that all season. They didn't change their game plan at all to adapt to the crack down on the 10 and ruck infringements - hence why we saw 30 penalties a game and Smith get sent off etc. They didn't change at all and inevitably the nrl and the refs caved and gave into them - so no adapting by the opposition at all.

The problem with us is that we don't control the ruck what-so-ever. So unless the refs enforce the actual rules, we don't compete because we haven't been coached to control the ruck.