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Will it be a poor 4 Nations?

Didgi

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:lol: Cameron Smith isn't a 'horseman'? He's just as important, if not more, to any setup as any of the others, particularly Inglis and Slater.
 

Fast Eddie

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Exactly, I'd much rather Smith wasn't in their line rather than have Lockyer, Inglis or Slater out.
 

roughyedspud

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does someone what to go back through a years worth of threads to find the original "4 horsemen" thread....its explains why the 4 horsemen are the 4 horsemen.....
 

yakstorm

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Getting back to the original topic, this year's Four Nations will be a good tournament.

There are still plenty of quality players available for the three main teams, and Wales, if they are anything like the Briers & Harris combinations of the early 2000's are going to throw out the rule book, and play some unorthodox style football which is always refreshing to watch.

Some of the best internationals I think we've all seen have involved teams which have been missing their stars, and some of the biggest surprises. When the Kiwis won in 05, they arguably had their C grade side out, remember in 2003 when Australia won 3 - 0 despite missing so many stars? That was great to watch plus when Wales pushed Australia in 2000 they were drawing guys out of retirement for that game.
 
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TBH I enjoy the horseman thing.

The funny thing is Cam Smith is probably the greatest hooker of all time lol (and i'm saying this as a massive Steve Walters fan who doesn't like Smith).
 

adamkungl

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With Australia and NZ both intent on talking themselves down, maybe England or Wales should claim favouritism :lol:

http://www.nrl.com/were-not-four-nations-favourites-nz/tabid/11073/newsid/65216/default.aspx

They're the current World Cup and Four Nations rugby league champions, but New Zealand insist they aren't favourites ahead of this year's end-of-season tournament.
The Kiwis, who have also shirked the favouritism tag for Sunday's one-off Test match with Australia in Newcastle, baulked at a suggestion from Kangaroos halfback Johnathan Thurston that they're the team to beat.
"Not really, we're the champs but I see both teams as equal," New Zealand second-rower Alex Glenn told reporters on Wednesday.
"We've both got a lot of skill out on that field and a lot of talent and it's going to be a very good game."
On Tuesday, Thurston went as far as to say it would be disrespectful for anyone in the Kangaroos camp to think of Australia as rugby league's top dog.
"No doubt in my eyes, (New Zealand are) the number-one rugby league nation in the world," Thurston told reporters.
"I think if we thought we were, it would be disrespectful and we'd be kidding ourselves, actually."
Kiwi coach Stephen Kearney was quick to remind his troops of their most recent tour of England in 2009, where they were eager to assert themselves on the world stage once again having been crowned World Cup champions the previous year.
It ended in disaster, with Benji Marshall's men failing to even qualify for the final thanks to a 20-12 loss to England.
"That's nice of Thursto (but) for us, it's not about that," Kearney explained.
"The last time we went over to the UK, which was in 2009, we had a disappointing series. We got beat quite convincingly in the game at Huddersfield, so I look at the (current) English side and that without a doubt is one of the strongest English sides I've seen in quite some time.
"They've got a fair few NRL experienced guys in the side which I think is going to be a real bonus for them.
"I think the competition's going to be really tough actually. For us it's about setting a good platform on Sunday afternoon and going into the tournament with a little bit of confidence."
http://www.nrl.com/kangaroos-no-longer-world-power-lockyer/tabid/11073/newsid/65218/default.aspx

They have lost just three matches to New Zealand in the last 17 games, but Kangaroos captain Darren Lockyer admits the Australians are no longer the dominating force in Rugby League.
The three games that the Kiwis have managed to beat Australia in the last 17 encounters have all been in finals.
The Kiwis are the reigning Four Nations and World Cup Champions and Lockyer says the Kangaroos have an almighty battle ahead of them if they are to wrest supremacy back from their trans-Tasman rivals.
“Last year the Kiwis were too good in the final,” Lockyer said.
“They are the champs and we are the challengers, we will have to prepare really well and work extremely hard to beat them.”
Australia and New Zealand clash at AusGrid Stadium on Sunday, before departing for England where they will face-off in the opening round of the Four Nations Tournament on Friday, October 28.
If results go as predicted, the traditional rivals will meet in the final at Elland Road in Leeds, meaning they will clash three times in the space of five weeks.
Traditionally New Zealand sides have struggled in one-off games against Australia, but have revelled in tournaments where they can build their combinations and momentum.
“It will be extremely hard, it is almost like a State of Origin series over five weeks,” Lockyer said.
“There a team over the last four or five years, probably ever since the World Cup Final, they have come along in leaps and bounds and they have a lot of belief.
“Australia used to dominate International football but I think those days are long gone.
“For us to win we have to really dig deep.”
Getting pretty excited for this.

Big questions for each side:
Australia - Will they choke in another final? Will Lawrence and Tonga be able to cut through the English backline with the same effectiveness as Inglis and Hodges?

NZ - Can they back up their 'World Champion' title and the success of the Warriors?

England - will they man up and take advantage of an Australian side missing some stars? Will McNamara prove his many, many detractors wrong? Is Rangi Chase actually any good?

Wales - Can they keep the scorelines against them under 40...?
 

Fast Eddie

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All I know is that I'm not placing huge importance on the result of the game this weekend. If anything if it's close either way then that is a really, really bad sign for Australia.
 

adamkungl

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Yeah Sunday is pretty much a warm up. Fairly sure it only exists to give Lockyer a farewell on Aus soil
 

Fast Eddie

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The Kiwis only get better as a tournament goes on. This first test is kinda of like the ANZAC test which we have always gone poorly in.
 
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