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With the Central QLD nonsense, why has there been no bid from...

Timbo

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...Cairns?

Consider:

-Rugby League mad region would get on a local team straight away.
-Population double Rockhampton (which is where the Central QLD team would be based), and almost equal to Townsville.
-Has a ground (Barlow Park) which would be in the top tier of QLD Cup/NSW Cup venues and would be much easier to upgrade to NRL standard than the Centrals ground (Browne Park - which would probably need a re-build).
-The distance to the 'local' team (the Cowboys) can be a 5+ hour drive when the conditions are good, and impossible when the conditions are bad.
-The Cowboys - who claim to represent the area - have not played an NRL fixture in Cairns since 2001.
-The AFL have been proactive in the area, staging NAB Cup matches at Cazaly's Stadium as recently as 2009.
-Is a tourist mecca, and could use this as a marketing ploy - getting groups of away fans to come up for the nice winter weather and support their team.

Thoughts?
 

Bluebags1908

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A Cairns team would weaken the Cowboys. I would more favour the Cowboys splitting their home games 6-6 or 7-5 or 8-4 between Townsville and Cairns - especialy considering the crowds in Townsville have dropped dramaticaly of late (partly due to the team's form).
 

Glenn

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If a Qld team is added would make more sense to base them in Cairns IMHO. Only question would the Corporate support $$$ be there?:?
 
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Not a good idea. Cairns is in the same catchment area as Townsville - i.e NQld.
Its like Woolies moving next door to a Coles store.
 

Perth Red

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I thought the whole point of them being called North Queensland was to represent Cairns as well? They should be doing more to link in with Cairns. Reality is a pop. the size of Cairns (or Rockhampton for that matter) is never going to be able to fund a $15mill+ prof sports team.
 

Glenn

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Still a large enough area in N.Qld for the Cowboys to draw on, plus allow the Cairns side to tap into the Far N.Qld market both distinct regions but as mentioned is there the $$$ in Far NQ?
 

Eels Dude

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Yeah they're called North QLD to also represent the Cairns region. Also is there enough talent up there to support two NRL clubs. Given the Cowboys efforts in their 16 years in the comp I'd think not.
 

Timbo

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Not a good idea. Cairns is in the same catchment area as Townsville - i.e NQld.
Its like Woolies moving next door to a Coles store.

This is a bit of a myth. There seems to be this commonly held misconception that you can get in a car in Cairns and 20 minutes later you're in Townsville. It's a bloody long way.

I thought the whole point of them being called North Queensland was to represent Cairns as well? They should be doing more to link in with Cairns. Reality is a pop. the size of Cairns (or Rockhampton for that matter) is never going to be able to fund a $15mill+ prof sports team.

Cairns has the same population as Townsville. But I get what you mean, the two together funding the team?

I'm mainly suprised there hasn't even been a bid. The Cowboys have not played a premiership match in Cairns since 2001, this is supposedly half of their fanbase?

A bid would at least put a rocket up the Cowboys - move them to take 2-3 games a season to Cairns.

And it still makes more sense than Rockhampton as a standalone team!
 

mightybears

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Cairns and Townsville are the best part of 4 hours from team other, but the NQ Cowboys will do everything publically and private to shoot any bid down as it would weaken their mid tier sponsorship base and well as crowds.

Could it work, yeah maybe, i think not but CC, Perth, Wellington, Brisbane II/Ipswich and even Adelaide have greater 'cause'-demonstrated and other.

Timbo, you are on the money to sugest talk of, or a 'real' Cairns bid will get a small number Cows matches to the north-and thats a good thing as AFL is doing more than us [Version 219.0] in Cairns.
 
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Timbo

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Cairns and Townsville are the best part of 4 hours from team other, but the NQ Cowboys will do everything publically and private to shoot any bid down as it would weaken their mid tier sponsorship base and well as crowds.

Could it work, yeah maybe, i think not but CC, Perth, Wellington, Brisbane II/Ipswich and even Adelaide have greater 'cause'-demonstrated and other.

Timbo, you are on the money to sugest talk of, or a 'real' Cairns bid will get a small number Cows matches to the north-and thats a good thing as AFL is doing more than us [Version 219.0] in Cairns.


The main reason I even made this post is because I'm presently on holiday in Cairns and it baffles me the neglect that the NRL and the Cowboys show the region which is a - Cowboys heartland and b - Rugby League mad.

As for the AFL - well, as if on cue I picked up the local fish wrapper from the newsagent after making this original post, and whatever should the headline be?:

$3m to kickstart Cazalys upgrade

Saturday, July 24, 2010
© The Cairns Post

DEPUTY Prime Minister Wayne Swan will arrive in Cairns today with a $3 million handout to kickstart redevelopment of Cazalys Stadium.
Mr Swan will launch the campaign of Leichhardt MP Jim Turnour with the $3 million pledge to help pay for the first stage of the redevelopment.
AFL Cairns says it is happy with the money it has received for stage one. However, it is still short of the $15 million total the club needs to bring the stadium up to full AFL compliance.
AFL Queensland will contribute up to $1 million on top of the federal handout, towards stage one of the redevelopment.
This will include refurbishing player facilities on the ground floor of the grandstand; constructing a new building to the north of the grandstand for another team and AFL umpires; and the refurbishment of the upper level of the grandstand to service AFL media, coaches and media officials.
Announcing the money yesterday, Mr Turnour said the stadium redevelopment would kick along the local economy, supporting local businesses and provide jobs in Cairns.
"I understand that AFL isn't just an armchair sport here in Cairns," Mr Turnour said.
"We will be able to go out, see it and play it in new and improved facilities."
AFL Cairns president Gary Young welcomed the cash boost, saying it would help get the stadium up to the standard to host elite AFL football in Cairns.
"What we've (currently) got is unacceptable at the elite level, when they've got $7.9 million worth of players running around on the track, everything has to be right for them," Mr Young said.
"They're playing for full premiership points, and it could mean the difference between them making the finals and getting towards that ultimate success of winning the premiership."
The next stage will include a $3 million upgrade of stadium lighting, and an $8 million refurbishment of the grandstand to include more seats.
Mr Young conceded he did not yet know where the rest of the money for the total $15 million needed for the redevelopment would come from.
"We'll be working hard to raise the capital - where that will come from, we don't know," Mr Young said.
"But we want to get lights up so we can have games under lights.
"We've got fantastic lights, but they’re not broadcast quality for elite sporting events."
The cash boost comes after last Saturday's VFL match between the Gold Coast and Bendigo, which drew a crowd of 3500 to Cazalys.
The refurbished facilities will be used by community sporting groups, allowing Cazalys to host curtain-raiser matchers and sporting carnivals on a regular basis.
Mr Young said the redevelopment would also allow the stadium to host large-scale concerts.
While in Cairns, Mr Swan is facing pressure from business groups to give tax breaks to Far Northern companies.


http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/07/24/119621_local-news.html

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Where's the NRL comeback?
 

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Cairns is Cowboys country.

The problem with "hosting" Cowboys games is that there isn't an NRL standard venue.

Despite some major updgrades in recent years, Barlow Park isn't up to NRL standard in seating, lighting, corporates etc.

So I think lobbying for some government funds for this is a bigger issue than an NRL team.

But yep Timbo AFL is bigger in Cairns than any other part of QLD except Brisbane. (Not a patch on League though) The local AFL leagues club (Cazalys) is huge and if it wasn't for Cairns Brothers (league) it would be by far the biggest in the State outside of SEQ.

The last ever NRL game was played at the AFL venue (Cazalys) and frankly it was the worst venue Ive seen since Ive ever watched league at.
 

Loudstrat

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The main reason I even made this post is because I'm presently on holiday in Cairns and it baffles me the neglect that the NRL and the Cowboys show the region which is a - Cowboys heartland and b - Rugby League mad.
Being Cowpats territory, it's up to them how they use it and promote their club up there. If the area is RL mad, then sounds like all is OK. And if there isn't a ground up to scratch - why change?

Besides - Regional QLD is such that Rocky, Mackay, Bundaberg, Toowoomba etc are in the same boat -huge towns but not big enough to fund a team
AFL Queensland will contribute up to $1 million on top of the federal handout, towards stage one of the redevelopment.
This will include refurbishing player facilities on the ground floor of the grandstand; constructing a new building to the north of the grandstand for another team and AFL umpires; and the refurbishment of the upper level of the grandstand to service AFL media, coaches and media officials.
..........The next stage will include a $3 million upgrade of stadium lighting, and an $8 million refurbishment of the grandstand to include more seats.
Mr Young conceded he did not yet know where the rest of the money for the total $15 million needed for the redevelopment would come from.
"We'll be working hard to raise the capital - where that will come from, we don't know," Mr Young said.
"But we want to get lights up so we can have games under lights.
"We've got fantastic lights, but they’re not broadcast quality for elite sporting events."
So they need $4 million to build dressing rooms for the opposition and referees, and about 4 boxes in the grandstand. Then another $3 million on lights -sounds like this place is worse than Lidcombe Oval. They need $7 million to make it the same as Blacktown????

So what is there already? Grass, a colourbond shed and an old caravan that springs to life and sells coffee in polystyrene cups on Saturday mornings?

The cash boost comes after last Saturday's VFL match between the Gold Coast and Bendigo, which drew a crowd of 3500 to Cazalys......Where's the NRL comeback?
Crowd of 3500? The only NRL comeback appropriate:

:lol::lol:
 

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Cairns is Cowboys country.

The problem with "hosting" Cowboys games is that there isn't an NRL standard venue.

see above post re AFL getting funding for ground improvements, given its a RL town why isn't their a stadium capable of hosting NRL? What are the Cowboys/NRL/ARL/QRL doing about it?:roll:

I'm sure if the Cowboys said "yep we'll take 3 games a year to Cairns" and the NRL/ARL/QRL got off their backsides local and State Govt funding could be found to upgrade to a suitable stadium.
 

nqcowboy87

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Cairns is Cowboys country.

The problem with "hosting" Cowboys games is that there isn't an NRL standard venue.

exactly cairns is in north queensland. the cowboys do a crapload of work with junior development but since the pride came along they have let them do a bit of work as well. barlow park is not up to nrl standard in regards to corporate and spectator facilities. and i think the cowboys are a little hesitant in going back to cazalys given the northern eagles and panthersd debacles and aslo the fact that it is a cricket ground, but i mean the dogs played at adelaide oval mid renovations so i dont see why we cant play there. when we last played in cairns the cowboys where crap and given the form of the cowboys i think management are a bit scared in having to take a home game away from the safety of dairy farmers, but as ive been wanting a regular season cowboys match back in cairns for quite a while, im confident a decent crowd would be there, i mean they love the cowboys up here
 

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see above post re AFL getting funding for ground improvements, given its a RL town why isn't their a stadium capable of hosting NRL? What are the Cowboys/NRL/ARL/QRL doing about it?:roll:

I'm sure if the Cowboys said "yep we'll take 3 games a year to Cairns" and the NRL/ARL/QRL got off their backsides local and State Govt funding could be found to upgrade to a suitable stadium.

FFS dumbass. The NRL/ARL/QRL should turn every oval in every town biger than Birdsville into Lang Park according to you - simply because the AFL has farted near it.

It cost, what, $140 million to build Robina. The program you'd want wouldn't happen even if we won the soccer world cup.

You are good at criticising the NRL in response to your latest bit of AFL paranoia, but you havent got a brain cell to ever suggest something constructive.

Bottom line - Cairns is NOT a suitable NRL venue - and there is absolutely no need for it to become one. And you suggesting there is a need is MASSIVE hypocrisy regarding your stance on the Central Coast Bears.
 

mightybears

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see above post re AFL getting funding for ground improvements, given its a RL town why isn't their a stadium capable of hosting NRL? What are the Cowboys/NRL/ARL/QRL doing about it?:roll:

I'm sure if the Cowboys said "yep we'll take 3 games a year to Cairns" and the NRL/ARL/QRL got off their backsides local and State Govt funding could be found to upgrade to a suitable stadium.

exactly, its election time, why hasn't RL [QRL, Cows, ARL] got a promise for a Barlow Park upgrade?
 

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FFS dumbass. The NRL/ARL/QRL should turn every oval in every town biger than Birdsville into Lang Park according to you - simply because the AFL has farted near it.

It cost, what, $140 million to build Robina. The program you'd want wouldn't happen even if we won the soccer world cup.

You are good at criticising the NRL in response to your latest bit of AFL paranoia, but you havent got a brain cell to ever suggest something constructive.

Bottom line - Cairns is NOT a suitable NRL venue - and there is absolutely no need for it to become one. And you suggesting there is a need is MASSIVE hypocrisy regarding your stance on the Central Coast Bears.

Barlow Park doesn't need $140 million spent on it. It needs 5-10 so the Cowboys can play a couple of games a year there.

Dumbass.
 

Loudstrat

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Barlow Park doesn't need $140 million spent on it. It needs 5-10 so the Cowboys can play a couple of games a year there.

Dumbass.

And what fof f*ckface?

The AFL article suggests their ground only needs a dressing shed and new lights to be AFL suitable. I can assure you that unless Barlow Park is of Olympic Park standard it would need more than $5 mil spent to be an NRL ground - which is what Perth Red is alluding to you tard.
 

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