World XV

[Te Kaha]

LAST YEAR being the key word, LAST YEAR the AB's finished last on the Tri-Nations table!

Having won the same amount of games as the other two teams. We are not talking about the start of last year but the end of last year.

Ok smart ass tell me a better counter attacking fullabck then Laharrague? Muliaina? McDonald? laughable!

That pick is about the only one that made any sense.

And Betsen the guy is a legend he has being going round for ages and is widely acknowledged as one of the best flankers in the world.

Widely regarded in your own mind maybe. He maybe good but was non existent playing the AB’s. As you have already said you can only be classed the best after beating the best. He didn’t.

Go look at the replay dumbarse at first it was nothing more than a bunch of frontrowers sorting out their "differences" nothing wrong with that is there? Jaco van der Westhyuzen (who couldn't crush a grape btw) is standing on the fringes trying to break it all of a sudden Collins the thug rushes in and BANG this causes both entire teams to rush in and the huge brawl insues, if that isn't a sucker punch what is?

You look at the replay “dumbarse” VDW was not “trying to break it up” he was swinging punches… he was also looking at Collins when he got hit.. hardly a sucker punch.

So quick to gloat aren't we? geez when your own national coach tells his country to stop being so arrogant maybe you should actually listen...you blokes are worse then Murray Mexley!

who the hell is Murrey Mexley dumbarse? There is a difference between being arrogant and telling someone they are wrong, which you clearly where.

 

[skeepe]

Larkham is clearly the best #10 in the world. Carter still has a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Scott]

Larkham is clearly the best #10 in the world. Carter still has a lot of catching up to do.

Wrong!

 

[skeepe]

Wrong!

Aside from the performance in one Lions test this year, Carter was downright abysmal. Terrible kick placement, bad passes, the lot. If he's the best in the world....

 

[Scott]

Larkham plays 1 test in ten these days. He WAS the best. Carter IS now the best.

The other one to look at in terms of flyhalfs is Stephen Jones from Wales. He had a poor Lions tour but in the Wales team and enviroment he is top notch.

 

[Iafeta]

Mwahahahahahahahahahaha - Larkham. Oh, oh, I've heard it all now. Thats the best laugh I've had in years.

Last year's tour he gained the mantle of number 1 player in the world ahead of Richie McCaw, and gave all a thorough exhibition on first five eighth craftsmanship. There isn't a better first five in the world currently, and I'd doubt his nearest rival these days is even Stephen Larkham.

 

[Mal Meninga]

Just a question posed in relation to Burger not being a #6, how is Collins a #6?

1. Reggie Corrigan
2. Kevin Mealamu
3. Carl Hayman
4. Victor Matfield
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Schalk Burger
7. Richie Mccaw
8. Joe Van Nie Kirk
9. Dwayne Peel
10. Dan Carter
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Joe Rockocoko
15. Mils Muliana

Reserves
Prop: Woodcock
Hooker: Byrne
2nd Rower: Jack
Backrower: Smith
Half: Kelleher
5/8: Larkham
Centres: Henson
Winger: Gerrard
Fullback: Robinson

 

[Jackal Dog]

Poor widdle Burger, FFS, the guy holds the record for the most yellow/red cards by a Springbok in tests so he's certainly no angel himself. I don't think he's copped anything from Jerry that wasn't thoroughly deserved. In fact in saying that, to be a really good #6, you basically have to be a bit of thug, all the best flankers play right on the limit of the rules.

Wtf has his reputation got to do with anything??? Doesn't making ruckin someone's face right.:roll:

Widely regarded in your own mind maybe. He maybe good but was non existent playing the AB’s. As you have already said you can only be classed the best after beating the best. He didn’t.

FFS Betsen can't carry a team the entire french forward pack was outperformed which I will give credit to the AB's for, but that means very little look at the first test this year between us and the Springboks in Sydney we spanked their forward pack Burger, Matfiel and Botha were all invisble yet they came back and gave us curry the next three games and who die and made Thug Collins the best anyway?

And in my own mind? news probably doesn't travel fast in NZ, ask anyone who has considerable on knowledge WORLD RUGBY (yes rubgy does exist outside of NZ!:shock: ) about Betsen the IRB forums is a nice place to start.

You look at the replay “dumbarse” VDW was not “trying to break it up” he was swinging punches… he was also looking at Collins when he got hit.. hardly a sucker punch.

Yes... right.... VDW is a fly half.... when was the last time you heard of a fly half waltzing into a frontrowers biff and start swinging? and you still haven't justified his late hit on Turinui.

who the hell is Murrey Mexley dumbarse? There is a difference between being arrogant and telling someone they are wrong, which you clearly where.

FFS I posted MY world XV which you are all free to do so, instead you all chose to bitch and criticisze about the lack of overrated AB's whatever I am sick this if you don't want to post your own world XV's I see no reason for any of you to be in this thread.

 

[Jackal Dog]

Larkham plays 1 test in ten these days. He WAS the best. Carter IS now the best.

The other one to look at in terms of flyhalfs is Stephen Jones from Wales. He had a poor Lions tour but in the Wales team and enviroment he is top notch.

No Larkham is the best Michalak,Carter, Jones and O'Gara can only dream to acccomplsih what he has in his career.

 

[Scott]

I think your signature tells a very gig story about you knowledge and mind state.

 

[Jackal Dog]

I think your comment tells alot about your IQ if you can't understand it is a PREMIER LEAGUE banner dumbarse me and some of the othter boys at the doggies forum all have em you idiot learn how to THINK BEFORE YOU TALK.

 

[Te Kaha]

No Larkham is the best Michalak,Carter, Jones and O'Gara can only dream to acccomplsih what he has in his career.

Larkam was the best.. he no longer is the best.. Carter can do everything larkam can do plus he kicks goals at near 90%.. Larkam can only kick well off one foot, Carter can kick very well of both... larkams best attribute is his gap running for which he is marginally better than carter is at this stage

by the end of Carters career, if what has been seen so far is any indication, than Larkam will not be in the same league as Carter. Carter will be one of the greats... what has to be remembered is Carter is only 23.. and he will still get better... Larkam is on the way down.

 

[Scott]

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Phoney MX, could you at least attribnute your quotes to the right poster? I didn't post most of that stuff you were quoting, and I'm not in NZ either.

 

[Te Kaha]

Wtf has his reputation got to do with anything??? Doesn't making ruckin someone's face right. .

Are you now saying he deliberately rucked his face??? That is libellous considering the match review committee didn’t say so… If you are saying it was accidental then there is nothing to it.

FFS Betsen can't carry a team the entire french forward pack was outperformed which I will give credit to the AB's for, but that means very little look at the first test this year between us and the Springboks in Sydney we spanked their forward pack Burger, Matfiel and Botha were all invisble yet they came back and gave us curry the next three games and who die and made Thug Collins the best anyway? .

I take it the backward Australians don’t get Rugby World? It is a respected magazine with contributors from all around the world.. The consensus in that is that Collins is now the best.

And in my own mind? news probably doesn't travel fast in NZ, ask anyone who has considerable on knowledge WORLD RUGBY (yes rubgy does exist outside of NZ! ) about Betsen the IRB forums is a nice place to start. .

The IRB forums made up of northern hemisphere kids.... Untill you perform against the best you aren't the best...you said so yourself... He is a very good player, no arguments there..but collins has stood up and dominated against all the teams he has played against.

Yes... right.... VDW is a fly half.... when was the last time you heard of a fly half waltzing into a frontrowers biff and start swinging? and you still haven't justified his late hit on Turinui. .

Whats to justify? The match officals didn’t think much of it.. why should anybody else? and Collins steped in when three Boks players where laying into his team mate you dont look at the position of the one attacking a team mate. you hlp out your team mate.

FFS I posted MY world XV which you are all free to do so, instead you all chose to bitch and criticisze about the lack of overrated AB's whatever I am sick this if you don't want to post your own world XV's I see no reason for any of you to be in this thread.

sh*t with all those overrated players the All Blacks will never get anywhere near being the best team in the world…. Oh wait….

 

[Iafeta]

No Larkham is the best Michalak,Carter, Jones and O'Gara can only dream to acccomplsih what he has in his career.

Lay off the turps mate, seriously.

Look, I'm not here to twist your niblits, a look at Daniel Carter's entire career at excellence will show he's a terrific player, and a far better one than Steve Larkham. And realistically, he's only about to get better.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

lol at this thread

I'd take Collins over Betsen any day. Half of the halfbacks in the NPC are bigger than Betsen. Collins crushes him imo.

 

[aqua_duck]

I think based on his form this year big Ali Williams goes pretty close, has truely developed into a world class lock.
ALso with the flanker position it depends what you want, if you want a workhorse, an unspectacular, solid scavanger than Betsen is your man, but if you want mongrel, intimidation and impact than Collins is your man.


BTW
Schalk Burger fears JC!