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WTC 2023-25

TheParraboy

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Time line wise we are about half way till the next WTC Final

Poms have West Indies and SL at home
As well as Pakistan and NZ tours to come .

We have the 5 test Indian series

India host NZ for 3 tests

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King-Gutho94

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I guess for all the huff and puff of Bazball changing test cricket for the greater good to be currently coming last on the WTC is quite hilarious.
 

TheParraboy

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The morally superior, game changing England on the rise after destroying WI-3-0

They beat SL 3-0, in the upcoming test series they go to 3rd spot and 56.26


WTC 2023 Points Table​

TEAMMWLDPTPCT
IND96217468.51
AUS128319062.50
NZ63303650.00
SL42202450.00
PAK52302236.66
ENG136615736.54
SA41301225.00
BAN41301225.00
WI71511619.04
 

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I don't have a massive issue with it being at Lords but I also like giving the number one team the home advantage.

If a team like Pakistan or Sri Lanka found their way into a match like this then give them a home game. I don't care if the pitch is favoured to them because its already a tough ask for those sides to reach the final.
 

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So if poms made it to number 1, play it at Lords?

You see thats the beauty, Lords looks like it will be a neutral venue for 3 WTC finals in a row 😁
 

King-Gutho94

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I can see it being at Ahmedabad permanently if India lose another WTC Final in London.

They will get sick of travelling to England for it and losing.
 

TheParraboy

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* after Pakistan beat England 3rd test​

* after NZ beat India 2nd test​

Hopefully we dont shit the bed, and can put india to the sword in our summer


Big chance of them missing out on the WTC Final

ICC World Test Championship​

TeamMWLDPTPCT
IND138419862.82
AUS128319062.50
SL95406055.56
NZ105506050.00
SA73314047.62
ENG199919340.79
PAK104604033.33
BAN93603330.56
WI91622018.52
 

Fangs

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SA v Aus would go alright tbh.

Jansen would be a handful at Lords. Likewise Rabada. Just a question mark on their batting. I'd look at De Kock for a one-off test.

As long as England miss out.
 

King-Gutho94

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England are done/cooked.

Australia v South Africa will be a great contest.

Will South Africa finally break through and win a Cricket World Championship.
 

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Good summary

SA have a 2 test series against Pak at home - if they win that they are guaranteed a place in the final

AUS remain 3 games against India then 2 games in SL. Think if they win the current India series they are in the final regardless of SL result. Think if India win this series then they are in the WTC final unless Australia win in SL

 

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India​


Percent: 55.89, matches remaining: vs Australia (two away)

The Brisbane draw means India need to win both their remaining matches in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy to be sure of qualification, regardless of other results. Two wins will take them to 60.53, while Australia will only end up on 57.02 even if they beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in their last series. On the other hand, if India win one Test and draw the other, they'll finish on 57.02, and can be overtaken by Australia (58.77) if they win 2-0 in Sri Lanka.

Here are the requirements for India to qualify in each result scenario in the current series:
  • If India win the series 2-1: Australia should beat Sri Lanka by no more than 1-0 margin, or South Africa lose at least 1-0 to Pakistan
  • If the series is drawn 2-2: India will finish on 55.26; Australia will need to lose to Sri Lanka by at least a 1-0 margin, or South Africa lose 2-0 to Pakistan
  • If the series is drawn 1-1: India will finish on 53.51; South Africa will have to lose both Tests, or Australia lose 1-0 in Sri Lanka or draw 0-0; a 0-0 draw will leave Australia and India level on 53.51%, but India will finish ahead on the basis of more series wins in this cycle (three to two). If Sri Lanka win 2-0, they will finish ahead of India
  • If India lose the series 1-2: India will finish on 51.75 and will be out of the final as Australia and South Africa will finish higher even if they lose all their remaining Tests; also, Sri Lanka will finish on 53.85 if they beat Australia 2-0

Australia​


Percent: 58.89, matches remaining: vs India (two home Tests), vs Sri Lanka (two away)

Australia need two wins and a draw to be sure of qualification, but that's if they manage only a draw in their two remaining Tests against India - in that case, they'll need full points against Sri Lanka so that they finish on 58.77, ahead of India (57.02); else they will need South Africa to lose at least 1-0 to Pakistan.

With two home games to go, though, Australia will want to ensure they finish ahead of India regardless of what happens in Sri Lanka. For that, they need a win and a draw in the two remaining Tests, so that they finish on 53.51 even if they lose 2-0 in Sri Lanka, with India on 51.75. However, a 2-0 win will leave Sri Lanka marginally ahead of Australia, on 53.85, so Australia need at least a draw in one of those two Tests in Sri Lanka (assuming South Africa qualify).

If Australia win these two Tests in Melbourne and Sydney, they will qualify regardless of other results.



South Africa​


Percent: 63.33, matches remaining: vs Pakistan (two home)

South Africa need to win one of their two Tests against Pakistan to be assured of qualification for the final. If they lose the series 1-0 and manage only four points to finish on 55.56, then Australia and India can both go past that mark: India need a draw and a win in Australia, while Australia need the same in Sri Lanka. If either team doesn't manage that, then even 55.56 could be enough for South Africa.

If South Africa lose both Tests to Pakistan, they'll drop to 52.78. At least one of India or Australia will surely go past that mark in their remaining matches, but if India get only four points from their last two Tests and Sri Lanka don't sweep the home series, then Australia and South Africa could still qualify. On the other hand, if India win and draw their two Tests, and Sri Lanka win 1-0, then India and South Africa will qualify.

Sri Lanka​


Percent: 45.45, matches remaining: vs Australia (two home)

Sri Lanka can reach a maximum of 53.85 with a 2-0 series win against Australia. For each of Australia, India and South Africa to stay under that mark, Australia should get no more than a win and a draw in the two Tests against India, who should in turn get no more than a draw, while South Africa need to lose 2-0 to Pakistan. Sri Lanka can qualify in second place as long as only one of those three teams goes past 53.85.
 

King-Gutho94

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Nothing screams BCCI run cricinfo more by having India on top when discussing the team scenarios on how to make the final when there 3rd.




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India​


Percent: 55.89, matches remaining: vs Australia (two away)

The Brisbane draw means India need to win both their remaining matches in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy to be sure of qualification, regardless of other results. Two wins will take them to 60.53, while Australia will only end up on 57.02 even if they beat Sri Lanka 2-0 in their last series. On the other hand, if India win one Test and draw the other, they'll finish on 57.02, and can be overtaken by Australia (58.77) if they win 2-0 in Sri Lanka.

Here are the requirements for India to qualify in each result scenario in the current series:
  • If India win the series 2-1: Australia should beat Sri Lanka by no more than 1-0 margin, or South Africa lose at least 1-0 to Pakistan
  • If the series is drawn 2-2: India will finish on 55.26; Australia will need to lose to Sri Lanka by at least a 1-0 margin, or South Africa lose 2-0 to Pakistan
  • If the series is drawn 1-1: India will finish on 53.51; South Africa will have to lose both Tests, or Australia lose 1-0 in Sri Lanka or draw 0-0; a 0-0 draw will leave Australia and India level on 53.51%, but India will finish ahead on the basis of more series wins in this cycle (three to two). If Sri Lanka win 2-0, they will finish ahead of India
  • If India lose the series 1-2: India will finish on 51.75 and will be out of the final as Australia and South Africa will finish higher even if they lose all their remaining Tests; also, Sri Lanka will finish on 53.85 if they beat Australia 2-0

Australia​


Percent: 58.89, matches remaining: vs India (two home Tests), vs Sri Lanka (two away)

Australia need two wins and a draw to be sure of qualification, but that's if they manage only a draw in their two remaining Tests against India - in that case, they'll need full points against Sri Lanka so that they finish on 58.77, ahead of India (57.02); else they will need South Africa to lose at least 1-0 to Pakistan.

With two home games to go, though, Australia will want to ensure they finish ahead of India regardless of what happens in Sri Lanka. For that, they need a win and a draw in the two remaining Tests, so that they finish on 53.51 even if they lose 2-0 in Sri Lanka, with India on 51.75. However, a 2-0 win will leave Sri Lanka marginally ahead of Australia, on 53.85, so Australia need at least a draw in one of those two Tests in Sri Lanka (assuming South Africa qualify).

If Australia win these two Tests in Melbourne and Sydney, they will qualify regardless of other results.



South Africa​


Percent: 63.33, matches remaining: vs Pakistan (two home)

South Africa need to win one of their two Tests against Pakistan to be assured of qualification for the final. If they lose the series 1-0 and manage only four points to finish on 55.56, then Australia and India can both go past that mark: India need a draw and a win in Australia, while Australia need the same in Sri Lanka. If either team doesn't manage that, then even 55.56 could be enough for South Africa.

If South Africa lose both Tests to Pakistan, they'll drop to 52.78. At least one of India or Australia will surely go past that mark in their remaining matches, but if India get only four points from their last two Tests and Sri Lanka don't sweep the home series, then Australia and South Africa could still qualify. On the other hand, if India win and draw their two Tests, and Sri Lanka win 1-0, then India and South Africa will qualify.

Sri Lanka​


Percent: 45.45, matches remaining: vs Australia (two home)

Sri Lanka can reach a maximum of 53.85 with a 2-0 series win against Australia. For each of Australia, India and South Africa to stay under that mark, Australia should get no more than a win and a draw in the two Tests against India, who should in turn get no more than a draw, while South Africa need to lose 2-0 to Pakistan. Sri Lanka can qualify in second place as long as only one of those three teams goes past 53.85.
 
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