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TrigaTheTiger

Juniors
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OK - WTF?

A little less than 10 to go and Im turning it off.

Some stats so far on the game:

Raiders have doubled us on meters gained
They lead us on line breaks 12 to ONE!
They have had FIVE TIMES as many off loads as us
And we have missed 40 tackles

Ellis and Groat are the only two who deserve a drink after this one.

Jesus - Super coach has had HOW long to mould his team? He has got every player he wants. If these players wont play for the coach, or themselves, its going to be a very long season for us.

Now - I know we are missing Farah, but in all honesty, he hasnt played great the last while anyway.

Super Coach chose to release at least TWO hookers who are now run on first graders at other teams.

Im getting very close to sick of this.
 

Tiger05

First Grade
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I'll be positive - Ellis really is some player. He simply carries us. Ryan is another player who puts in consistently. Benji is a great player. Lawrence and Moltzen are good high quality players who have a couple of mistakes in them but if they get their game in order can be really important players for us.

Woods, BMM and Groat to me look like quality.

As for the bad - Blair is a passenger on huge dollars. Our backs are simply too slow and aren't dangerous. Sheens completely stuffs up team selections consistently - why rearrange the whole team so that Miller (who went okay but doesn't seem a great player) can go to half.

Overall we were terrible. We need some speed out wide. We need players who don't make mistakes.
 
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Sheens completely stuffs up team selections consistently
playing against a massive pack with what 3 SOO props and what's he do, plays both Meaney & Humble.

I'd play Humble at 9 next week as his service from dummy half would be faster than Fulton but Fulton is needed as a defensive back rower and shunt Blair to the bench. Start with Woods & BMM and play Moors, Bell and Groat as the 3 other reserves.

However, if Lote is OK no doubt super coach will move Reddy to fullback and Moltzen back to 7 and we'll never see young Miller again :crazy:
 

Front-Rower

First Grade
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OK - WTF?

A little less than 10 to go and Im turning it off.

Some stats so far on the game:

Raiders have doubled us on meters gained
They lead us on line breaks 12 to ONE!
They have had FIVE TIMES as many off loads as us
And we have missed 40 tackles

Ellis and Groat are the only two who deserve a drink after this one.

Jesus - Super coach has had HOW long to mould his team? He has got every player he wants. If these players wont play for the coach, or themselves, its going to be a very long season for us.

Now - I know we are missing Farah, but in all honesty, he hasnt played great the last while anyway.

Super Coach chose to release at least TWO hookers who are now run on first graders at other teams.

Im getting very close to sick of this.

Super coach has to go. The last two years have shown that with a half decent modern day coach in the ranks we were within touching distance of a grand final. Since Folkes has gone, it's back to 2006 - 2009 form. He was our biggest loss, not the players we let go.
 

magpie guy

Juniors
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It was a pretty weak effort. Could not believe we carried two backs on the bench for 90% of the game. Few points.

- Woods was still denting the line late into the game. Seems to pick himself and will be a very good front rower.
- Groat is totally off the pace and should not start
- Matt Bell needs to either start or play many more minutes
- Fulton is a good cover defending lock and can run some good lines but his service from dummy half is terrible and should not play hooker.
- Miller seemed to go ok. No worse than Moltz and took some pressure off benji early. Had one kick that I can remember which was a shocker.
- Apart from one good line run Moltz was missing for most of the game. Never came into the backline except for the one try late in the game.
- BMM needs to get more involved, take more runs, make more of an impact but is still ahead of Groat.
- I have no idea what Blair adds.
- Ayshford has no lateral movement in defence and is probably better as a second rower than a centre.
- Reddy is a good defender and solid but far too slow. Centre is a better position for him.
- We need some speed and/or power from the wingers/fullback. Lote may bring some of that when he gets back but in the interim Grant or someone similar need to be brought up.

- If an when Utai inevitably comes back he should be at prop.

We were lucky the Raiders didnt put many more points on us tonight.
 

blacklock

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on a positive..tuqiri will be back next game. he is definately a danger/finisher. error prone yes, but still a good one to watch out for.
 

Hanscholo

Bench
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He is going to have to play blair in he front row, he is a shit backrower and u lokes need th go forward.
 

madunit

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Lol at blair providing go forward. I'll have a look but i don't know if he's made 10 hit ups a game yet & he plays 80mins.

Te'o mkII
 

hutch

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playing against a massive pack with what 3 SOO props and what's he do, plays both Meaney & Humble.

I'd play Humble at 9 next week as his service from dummy half would be faster than Fulton but Fulton is needed as a defensive back rower and shunt Blair to the bench. Start with Woods & BMM and play Moors, Bell and Groat as the 3 other reserves.

However, if Lote is OK no doubt super coach will move Reddy to fullback and Moltzen back to 7 and we'll never see young Miller again :crazy:

I actually hope he does all that you say. I think reddy would be great at fullback and humble would provide more out of dummy half than Fulton. And despite all the knockers on here, Moltzen is still our best option at halfback. Miller proved again last night he is nowhere near first grade material. Blair can p*ss off altogether as far as I'm concerned, but a bench spot is the minimum punishment required for being such a pussy.
 

Tiger05

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And despite all the knockers on here, Moltzen is still our best option at halfback. Miller proved again last night he is nowhere near first grade material.

I don't get the hate for Moltzen and I never have. He looks at the moment our best runner of the footy including Lawrence. We need him desperately.

I'd play Benji though at 7 and Moltzen at 6. Moltzen though needs a rocket up him to run it a lot.

God knows what we do though with our outside backs. We need some players who can do something out wide.
 

gronkathon

First Grade
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Neither Benji or Moltzen would be in my team for this week.

Miller played well enough to keep his spot.

Benji has been concussed twice in two weeks and I believe if the team is going to learn to play structured football it has to be without Benji in the side. When you have an off the cuff player as your only shot caller you are f**ked.

Humble has looked great every time he has been put into the halves and he would partner Miller for mine.

The best we looked all game was Meaney feeding Humble from DH so I would start him there with Politini on the bench.

Ayshford and Lawrence have been utter garbage all season and both deserve to be dropped as well
 

brooksy19

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No way Moltzen can be in 1st grade after that tackle 'attempt' on Crokers 2nd try.... (granted the front line should of stopped him first, however 15/16 fullbacks would of made that tackle.)
 

TimmyB

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I watched the second half of Parramatta and Penrith with a mate on Friday night. There was a reasonable degree of schadenfreude on our parts, but a reasonable degree of sympathy too. We assessed their problem not as a few players, but as a team. Physically they didn't look up to standard. In defence they were constantly scrambling, the line was fragmented, and the Panthers were making absurdly easy ground from excruciatingly simple football.

Scarily, our performance was a carbon copy of Parramatta's. Certainly some players deserve a greater portion of the blame, and a few(particularly Gareth Ellis) deserve none. Overall though, we physically just didn't look up to it. We looked like unfit park footballers. The amount of times Canberra made enormous inroads with fleet of foot and dummyhalf running was staggering. I just wonder what the hell we've been doing all season? It doesn't look like we've trained.

I hold grave fears for the season. It does not look like a quick fix.
 

N.C.

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Did anyone see Benji's column before the game?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...poor-start-dictate-season-20120324-1vr0r.html

Panic? Tigers have too much pride to let poor start dictate season

Benji Marshall

March 25, 2012


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Young tyro … Wests Tigers prop Aaron Woods is tipped to be a future representative player. Photo: Getty Images

The worst thing we could do at the Wests Tigers right now is panic. And we won't. There's nothing to panic about. If we were playing our best football, and were still losing games, then that would be a signal for panic. But we haven't played anywhere near our best football this season. Why would we panic when our best football is still ahead of us?
Two losses from three matches is not the ideal start, but we've got confidence in ourselves and in our team. Maybe this is a stretch, but there might be one positive out of our start: we're not premiership favourites any more. That sort of pressure doesn't worry me, but possibly as a team we have let it get to us. The important thing is that we believe we're a strong side.
We've placed high expectations on ourselves, and the season so far hasn't panned out the way we anticipated. We won our first game, but we were lucky to get away with it, and in our next two games we were poor.
In the first half against Manly, we played some good football, but in the second half we came up with the opposite. Against the Dragons, we let through some tries through the middle. No footballer enjoys being called soft, but that was how our defensive effort was described in the middle on that night. We get the chance to right those wrongs against the Raiders tomorrow night.
We are all keen to turn around the perception that the Tigers are weak through the middle. There's been some pressure on some of our younger forwards, but I've got no doubt that both Aaron Woods and Matt Groat are future representative players. Right now, they're still young. We all have confidence they can get us going forward.
We can't blame our defence alone either. Our attack put a lot of pressure on our defence; we dropped a lot of ball. Tim Moltzen, too, will improve from here. I have no doubt he is glad the game against the Dragons is out of the way, so people can move on and he can move on. Some of the stuff he copped, the sledging before and after the game, was uncalled for. It wasn't pretty at all; everything was aimed at him by their supporters.
Tim's still growing in the position. It's been difficult for him, making a go of fullback and then switching to halfback. It's going to take a bit of time for him to get used to the position again. But I've seen his progression at training. We're still working on our combination, and we'll get another chance to refine it tomorrow night.
As a team, we need to get back to basics. There was a significant turnaround in our intensity last week at training. It always happens when you lose a couple of games in a row. You get more desperate; you don't want to lose three games in a row. I'm sure that intensity will be reproduced on the field against Canberra at Campbelltown.
It's not about proving anyone wrong. We simply don't want to let each other down. That has been our attitude during training. Over the past few weeks we've let each other down and we don't want to do that again.
Of course, we'll have to do it without Robbie Farah. Having our captain suspended will make winning difficult, but at the same time we still feel like we have a good squad, with the depth to cover for injuries and suspensions.
Canberra have a massive forward pack, but with a longer-than-normal week giving us time to recover - and importantly giving Gareth Ellis time to repair - we're hoping for significant improvement.
It's a tough sport. There are no easy games any more. But we'll bounce back.
 

N.C.

Juniors
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Apparently it's a good thing to have lost the favourites tag.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think we ever deserved it.

But surely if you have it, you want to protect it? Not discard it because you're frightened it means you actually have to perform?

...and he talks about "pride".

If this is what's on Benji's mind, then we're truly f**ked.
 

Phil_22

Juniors
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I cant see why you blokes are playing Blair on the left edge...

Melbourne played him in the middle of the park, and in addition to this Benji spends the majority of time on the right side of the field. For me Blair should be running of one of Benji's shoulders for every moment he is on the field...
 

Magpies Forever

Juniors
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That quote from Marshall just about sums up what is wrong with WT mental toughness and attitude. Will not fight to defend a favourites tag, 'glad its off their backs.....' etc. No wonder we are deemed by the serious contenders to be easy beats and fragile. Can you imagine a Melbourne, Manly,Canterbury or Saints player getting away with saying that without being lynched???.

Alas we truely are only pretenders under Sheens. No toughness, no grit and pride comes second to looking good. Found it incredible they still have the hide to say their playing well. In what universe are their heads????
 

b.bear

Juniors
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Super coach has to go. The last two years have shown that with a half decent modern day coach in the ranks we were within touching distance of a grand final. Since Folkes has gone, it's back to 2006 - 2009 form. He was our biggest loss, not the players we let go.

Nail on head
 

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