Xavier Rudd

[CC_Eagle]

John Butler is the greatest songwriter in Australian history. At the moment I rate him as the most talented guitarist in Australian history as well. I've been playing guitar for 9 years so I'd say I have some credibility.

Thats a funny one. Are you joking? Ive been playing guitar for over 9 years and even though i dont think it gives me any additional credibility i definatly dont think he is the most talented guitarist is Aust history. As carcharias said above, the bloke isnt even Australian. And i know people that are so much better guitarists that JB its not funny...

Name them....

What JBT have you heard?

The bloke is Australian. The Young brothers were born in Scotland but we see them as Australian as the Kingswood. It's no different with John Butler.

 

[CC_Eagle]

I wouldn't say JB is the best ever, but currently he would be in the top few songwriters - Sunrise Over Sea is an outstanding album...just behind Nick Cave's as best Australian album of the year. And he is Australian - he has citizenship - he's Australian.

The only differences I see between Xavier and JB is Xavier puts a rediculous reggae beat to most of his songs and he's too tight to pay for a band.

I love The Beautiful Girls live - fun band and a good bunch of guys...but musically they are nothing special at all. Carus...in the same boat as Xavier - nothing special at all.

Nick Cave? You're kiddin...

TBG aren't bad. I don't mind them at all...

 

[miccle]

JBT isn't the BEST EVER aussie songwriter/guitarist imo... but jeez he is good. You definitely have to look past the style and lyrics, because they aren't everyone's cup of tea, and I don't really think anyone can deny that he is technically brilliant on the instruments he plays. Along with that, he's relatively versatile and writes some brilliant music. Can't pigeonhole him as the best ever, but I know he will still be listened to and talked about decades from now... and that's still pretty damn impressive!

 

[Alex28]

And he is Australian - he has citizenship - he's Australian.

So presuming you were born in Australia .

Now you married someone from China and you moved there .
The Chinese government say you must be a Chinese citizen to stay, so you become a Chinese citizen and get the piece of paper and the passport.

Does this make you Chinese or an Aussie?

Well...last time I had a look Australia wasn't a communist community...so I think your example is at best stupid, and at worst incredibly ignorant.

So...unless you are born in Australia, you cant be Australian?

You my friend are a knob.

 

[carcharias]

Well...last time I had a look Australia wasn't a communist community...so I think your example is at best stupid, and at worst incredibly ignorant.

So...unless you are born in Australia, you cant be Australian?

You my friend are a knob.

Oh please , some halfwit claims that "John Butler is the greatest songwriter in Australian history" which in itself is hilarious considering he is an American... born in California.
He was still pissing in his nappies in the USA when real Aussie songwriters were writing better songs about Australia in Australia.
So just off the top of my head.

Neil Murray - My Island Home
Tim Rogers - Berlin Chair (plus bloody fifty more)
M.Callaghan ( Gangajang) -Sounds of then ( This is Australia )
Paul Kelly - *****pick a song****Sydney from a 727
Dave McComb ( The Triffids) Wide open road
Slim Dusty - Pub with no Beer
Jim Moginie (Oils)-co- Armistice day plus almost every other oils song.

My Chinese analogy had nothing to do with it being a "communist community" as you put it. I'd actually call one of the most densely populated places in the world a bit more than a "community".
I was asking the question would you feel Australian or Chinese just because of a piece of paper, sadly this was obviously lost on you.
As for John Butler himself I am confident he would agree 100% with me.

So by all means call me a knob , just don't assume I'm your friend.

As for my opinion of his music......average at best.

 

[miccle]

Especially when he was born in the states to his AUSTRALIAN parents!

 

[carcharias]

Especially when he was born in the states to his AUSTRALIAN parents!

so what ! My brother in law has Pommie parents but he was born here and he is as Aussie as Koala bears, so that means jack all.
Like I said Butler is a Yank and isn't anywhere near the songwriters I mentioned.

 

[Dean Moriarty]

Slim Dusty - Pub with no Beer

Point of order...Slim wrote more good songs than JB probably ever will but that wasn't one of them. Gordon Parsons wrote it.

 

[carcharias]

Point of order...Slim wrote more good songs than JB probably ever will but that wasn't one of them. Gordon Parsons wrote it.

My mistake , sorry my knowledge of country music is limited. I just assumed it was one of his after years of him seemingly being credited with it via his interpretation.

 

[carcharias]

Just for the record: The pub with no beer
The song made famous by the late Slim Dusty, was first written in the original Day Dawn Hotel in Ingham in north Queensland in 1943, by an Irish cane cutter Dan Sheahan, after some American soldiers drank the pub dry the previous night.

Dan Sheahan had gone to his favourite pub for a cold beer but was told by the Publican Gladys Harvey, that there was no beer left, due to a drinking binge by some American soldiers the previous night. Dan Sheahan consoled himself in the corner of the pub with a glass of wine and wrote the song "A Pub without Beer" which was later transformed to "A Pub with No Beer" by composer Gordon Parsons, who had spotted the words of "A Pub without Beer" in "The North Queensland Register" newspaper.

Slim Dusty, would visit Dan Sheahan when he visited Ingham. Dan died in 1977, aged 95 years. The Day Dawn Hotel was demolished and rebuilt as Lee's Hotel in 1960.

Unfortunately, the great Slim Dusty passed away on Friday 19 September 2003 aged 76 years.

 

[Dean Moriarty]

My mistake , sorry my knowledge of country music is limited. I just assumed it was one of his after years of him seemingly being credited with it via his interpretation.

No worries, wouldn't have thought there are many country music fans on here. :lol:

 

[Alex28]

So...what you are saying is you have to be born in Australia to be an actual Australian? My god you are ignorant...

China is a community - if you look up the definition of "community" you will see a community can range from a few people to billions of people.

 

[carcharias]

John Butler is a yank .
Born there, spent his youth there, has a yank accent and a yank passport .
He has never and will never be considered the greatest songwriter in Australian history.

 

[CC_Eagle]

John Butler is a yank .
Born there, spent his youth there, has a yank accent and a yank passport .
He has never and will never be considered the greatest songwriter in Australian history.

I think you are one of the very few people to think that.

He has a yank accent? wtf? Sure there are little twinges every now and then but f**k, he is Awwwstralian.

 

[carcharias]

John Butler is the greatest songwriter in Australian history. At the moment I rate him as the most talented guitarist in Australian history as well

Judging by the above comment you know nothing about music, especially Australian music.
So I won't bother with you.

 

[CC_Eagle]

John Butler is the greatest songwriter in Australian history. At the moment I rate him as the most talented guitarist in Australian history as well

Judging by the above comment you know nothing about music, especially Australian music.
So I won't bother with you.

Have you ever heard of over exaggerating for effect?

Of course he isn't the f**king greatest. He only has two albums and an EP.

You can't doubt that he is one of the most talented around today. Especially considering that he is 100% Independent and recieves no help from any producers or labels.

 

[miccle]

Damn straight. Anyone who has got to the same position as JBT without the help of record companies and other bastards is obviously all of these things:

Talented
Committed
Passionate
Real
Powerful

Someone like John Butler is almost unheard of in the music scene. These days, it's damn tough to make it on your own and it takes years of touring, rehearsing and old fashioned hard work to get your music and your message out to people. He has struggled for many years to get to where he is today, and even if you don't like him - you have to respect him for that.

 

[CC_Eagle]

Miccle...



He was busking on the streets of Perth 10 years ago and turned down offers from Epic and Sony. Deciding that he could make it by himself.

Whattya know, he has....

 

[Alex28]

JB is very very good at what he does. He's worked his arse to get to where he is today - he's there on the back of being very good live. However he is ruthless - he's got rid of band members to further his own career, and the band you see live is not the band that recorded Sunrise Over Sea (I'm not sure why - the drummer he has now is amazing).

Don't get me wrong - he's an amazing musician and songwriter, and has done well to get where he is today, but he's been a bit ruthless to get there as well...

 

[CC_Eagle]

(I'm not sure why - the drummer he has now is amazing).
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Agreed. When I saw them live I couldn't believe how good he was.