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Your Kiwi side and squad

colonel_123

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Thierry Henry said:
This is what I'd have too (in the unfortunate absence of Webster and Whatuira).

Seriously, this must be the biggest pair of wing/centre combos ever seen in rugby league. There's over 220kg on the wings and 200kg in the centres.

Is Whatuira's absence confirmed? He's in the train on squad isn't he? And what's happened to Webster?
 

The Observer

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From RLFANS, a British poster's opinion on which SL based NZers have played well enough to make the Kiwis, and those that haven't:

redhotjalapeno1 said:
Stacey Jones, Jason Cayless, Shontayne Hape, Iefita Paleasina and David Solomona definitely.

Possible others who have been "ok" this season and might be worth picking depending on who else NZ have available are Francis Meli, Willie Talau, Willie Manu, Robbie Paul, Motu Tony, Ali Lauiti'iti and Henry Fa'afili.

Richard Swain would be useful if he could be talked out of international retirement... Vainikolo is booked in for surgery while Clinton Toopi, Monty Bethan, Paul Rauhihi & David Vaealiki shouldn't be selected unless NZ are absolutely desperate.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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I hope they pick Paleaaesina and Lauiti'iti at least.

Anyway, if Webster, Whatuira and Utai are all available then

2. Vatuvei
3. Whatuira
4. Webster
5. Utai

Or something like that, might be the go.

We actually have a lot of depth in the centres and wings at the moment. Fa'afili and Meli to consider as well.
 

Iafeta

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Webster is out - booked in for surgery.

Lack of match fitness will count against Whatuira. I'd suspect unless Fien is out it'll count against Halatau too. Hasn't he missed a large chunk of the season?
 

Iafeta

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The Observer said:
From RLFANS, a British poster's opinion on which SL based NZers have played well enough to make the Kiwis, and those that haven't:

I've seen a bit of Feka this year, I'm a big fan (as the login would suggest) but I'm not sure he's actually improved this year at all. He hasn't really picked up the larger minutes I thought he might. Still being used as a crash and bash 5 minute merchant.
 

JJ

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kiwi_man said:
say a squad of 25, this would be mine:
1.B. Webb
2.T. Tupou
3.S. Matai
4.S. Hape
5.M. Vatuvei
6.B. Roberts
7.S. Jones
8.R. Wiki
9.N. Fien
10.R. Asotasi
11.D. Kidwell
12.T. Puletua
13.S.B.Williams

14.M. Tony
15.N. Cayless
16.D. Solomona
17.F. Pritchard

18.D. Fa'alogo
19.J. Cayless
20.I. Paleasena
21.D. Halatau
22.N. Vagana
23.M. Utai
24.S. Mannering
25.J. Ropati

I like the look of that a lot

I'd have Vagana in for Matai - he's grub, and so a risk - besides Nigel is still a better player.

Fien is pretty doubtful, isn't he?
 

Manu Vatuvei

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1.Webb
2.Tupou
3. Mannering
4. Soliola
5. Vatuvei
6. Ropati
7. Jones
8. Wiki
9. Tony
10. Asotasi
11. Kidwell
12. Puletua
13. Hape/Solomona/Lauiti'iti

14. Halatau
15. J Cayless
16. Hape/Solomona/Lauiti'iti
17. Fa'alogo

something like that, I guess, with everyone who has pulled out now

I don't want Vagana in the team cos he sucks atm. I like Mannering and Soliola a lot more than Matai, and I don't rate Roberts at all, so I'm quite attached to that backline really. Forwards just seem to be anyone who is left.
 
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1.Webb
2.Tupou
3. Matai
4. Soliola
5. Hape
6. Roberts
7. Jones
8. Wiki
9. Tony
10. Asotasi
11. Pritchard
12. Puletua
13. Kidwell

14. Halatau
15. Ali
16. Solomona
17. Fa'alogo

18. Eastwood / Blair
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Blaze said:
Pritchard?

Agree with the backline, but would prefer Roberts to Ropati.

Why?

Roberts has shown absolutely nothing in his career so far- well, apart from his ability to steer the Kiwis around the park to 30 point losses against Great Britain, and that he's a terrible defender.

I have nothing particularly against the kid- nice step and offload against the Warriors, for sure- but on what basis are people picking him?
 

Blaze

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Thierry Henry said:
Why?

Roberts has shown absolutely nothing in his career so far- well, apart from his ability to steer the Kiwis around the park to 30 point losses against Great Britain, and that he's a terrible defender.

I have nothing particularly against the kid- nice step and offload against the Warriors, for sure- but on what basis are people picking him?

In the 7 (i think?) first grade games he has played this year his team won 6. Sure that is not something that guarentees someone selection but still it's not a bad record as he was filling in for Sherwin in the halves for most of those games.

I haven't watched him closely enough when he has been defending as a half to know what his defence is like. I have only seen him defend at centre, where I agree he was terrible.

He has a nice kicking game which is the main reason I would select him over Ropati. Ropati is not a 5/8. His future lies in the centres. I can't see Ropati offering NZ much as an attacking weapon in a test match against Australia, ffs he runs every time he gets the ball. At least Roberts will give the outside backs opportunities and keep Australia guessing with a second option for both long, and short attacking kicks.
 

lucablight

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I can't believe more people aren't mentioning Fuifui Moimoi. Obviously not many people rate him. He is a freak.
 

colonel_123

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lucablight said:
I can't believe more people aren't mentioning Fuifui Moimoi. Obviously not many people rate him. He is a freak.

There's some questions over his availability. He's still suspended for I think one more game and under an injury cloud.
 

colonel_123

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Iafeta said:
Webster is out - booked in for surgery.

Lack of match fitness will count against Whatuira. I'd suspect unless Fien is out it'll count against Halatau too. Hasn't he missed a large chunk of the season?
THE TRI-NATIONS KIWIS CONSIDERING HALATAU AS HOOKER
STEVE KILGALLON
24 September 2006
Sunday Star-Times

THE KIWIS are planning a surprise positional switch for the Wests Tigers utility Dene Halatau and may use him as their back-up hooker for the Tri-Nations.

The 23-year-old Invercargill-born Halatau has played more of his senior football in the backrow, but the Sunday Star-Times understands Kiwis coach Brian McClennan could consider capitalising on his effective dummy-half running by using him as interchange hooker.

New Zealand is likely to use its Australian convert Nathan Fien as the starting No 9 after David Faiumu was ruled out through injury and Lance Hohaia was omitted, with Halatau's pace a good weapon against tiring defences later in the game.

The only other obvious option for McClennan at hooker is another utility player, Hull's Motu Tony.

Halatau was a 2003 Kiwi tourist and played in the 2005 Anzac test, but after winning the grand final with the Tigers, a shoulder reconstruction kept him out of last year's Tri-Nations tour and the opening rounds of this season.

He managed only 14 NRL outings this season and admitted yesterday he was surprised to be called into the Kiwi train- on squad.

But after his truncated year, Halatau expects to be at peak fitness for the opening test on October 14 and is already practising his hooking skills. "I've spoken to Bluey and he has tossed a few ideas to me to be ready for if I make it into the team," said Halatau. "He has told me to keep fit and to work on dummy-half."

Halatau's big impact could come from bursting from the back of the ruck into retreating defences: a tactic that worked for the nimble Tigers last year.

"Over the year I've been working with (Tigers halfback) Scott Prince at training on my passing ... (and) I do enjoy getting in at dummy-half and having a little run," he says. "Our success last year, towards the end of the season, I was following behind Robbie Farah and doing a lot of double dummy-half running. I've learned a lot watching him and seeing how he plays and when the right time to run is or when to pass."

With the retirement of Danny Buderus, it is likely Halatau could face Farah in the two tests against Australia. "I'd look forward to that if it happens," says Halatau. "If I did get a start against him, he would be sledging me all game - I know what he's like - but he would get a fair bit back as well!"

He stood out in the Tigers' grand final march last year, but Halatau admits he has been more anonymous this season. "It was hard coming back and it took time to get my shoulder right," he considers. "Towards the end of the year I started to find my feet a little bit and I am confident if I get into the Tri-Nations team that might be when I hit my straps a bit.

"I've built up to it, and the Tigers are training twice a week up to the grand final and the Kiwi boys in Sydney are doing two days a week too, so I am feeling pretty fit."

Despite his relative lack of NRL exposure, McClennan says he has no doubts about Halatau's ability to produce at the top level.

"He's won a grand final already, which at his age is a fine effort," says McClennan. "We're quite lucky in the Kiwis that we have Dene, Paul Whatuira, Tony Puletua, Sonny Bill Williams and Roy Asotasi who've all won finals."

The Kiwis are not expected to come up with any surprise names with their final selection rounds, from players competing in this weekend's NRL semifinals and in the English Super League playoffs.

Tigers centre Paul Whatuira is likely to withdraw with a knee injury, and McClennan was an anxious viewer of Friday night's Bulldogs v Broncos semifinal as key forward Roy Asotasi's knee injury survived its first outing since round 24.

"The Bulldogs wouldn't take any risks with Roy and Roy himself wouldn't take any unnecessary risks," McClennan said. "Roy is a dead-cert for the Kiwis anyway, we don't want to go into the tri-nations without Roy Asotasi."

Meanwhile, the coach confirmed the Kiwis had no intention of adding a warm- up game to their schedule before the Tri- Nations despite the Australians lining up a test against Papua New Guinea and Britain due to play a local league selection in Newcastle, NSW.

But he said he was delighted with the idea of the mid-tournament friendly against the New Zealand Residents in Greymouth. The Kiwis will use Warriors development manager Tony Iro in an expanded analyst's role this year.

Sorry I don't have a link, someone posted it on the Wests Tigers forum.

Personally I don't think Halatau's passing game is up to scratch for him to make a full switch to hooker, he's adequate there as an occasional backup but not real effective fulltime.

If I was NZ I'd be naming him at lock and letting him pick and choose when to run out of half, off the back of effective go forward from the NZ pack.

Halatau is one of the most devastating dummy half runners in the game, and could be a real game breaker late in the game running against a retreating defence.
 

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