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Star Wars The Last Jedi *** SPOILERS ***

Generalzod

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WARNING: SPOILERS

A LONG time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Star Wars movies used to be good.

They featured interesting characters doing cool stuff — flying spaceships, shooting laser guns, rescuing princesses from evil space knights.

Today, under the rule of the Disney Social Justice Empire, Star Wars movies feature boring characters standing around giving cringe-worthy motivational speeches and crying.

Does anyone remember the scene in A New Hope where Luke Skywalker, sniffling as tears stream down his face, gives a two-minute monologue to Obi Wan Kenobi about his childhood and how the Evil Empire killed his uncle Owen and aunt Beru and how he hates, HATES them and they’ll never get away with it and he’s going to RESIST, as music swells and the camera cuts to Obi Wan’s face beaming with pride?

No. Owen and Beru get killed, Luke arrives just in time to find their charred bodies, looks sad for a second and tells Obi Wan, “I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father.” Then he f***ing gets on with it and doesn’t cry like a [non-gender-specific person] for two-and-a-half hours.

Or what about the iconic scene in the Mos Eisley Cantina where Han Solo meets Obi Wan for the first time. “I’m just a lowly smuggler,” he giggles nervously. “I’ve never met a JEDI HERO before!” Oh wait, that didn’t happen either. Han Solo didn’t care about Obi Wan. He called him a crazy old man and laughed behind his back.
People didn’t really care about things that much in the original films. Or if they did, they didn’t stand around talking about their feelings — they just did things, and we sometimes felt things as a result. In the new movies, everyone cares about everything, and they have to tell each other all the time, and as a result the audience feels nothing. The drama is forced, but worse, it’s completely unearned.

For three movies now, following The Force Awakens and Rogue One, these characters feel like children dropped into a Disney Star Wars theme park. (Gee, why might that be?) Every two minutes they stop to remind each other they’re in Star Wars. Remember Luke Skywalker? Remember Han Solo? Remember the Force? Any second you expect them to turn to the camera and go, “Can you guys believe this!?”

When they’re not reminding each other of things that happened in previous movies or even previous scenes in the same movie, they’re talking at great length about what they’re going to do in the next scene — usually with tears in their eyes, inspirational music and the word HOPE mentioned at least twice.

There are so many things wrong with Rian Johnson’s abomination it’s honestly hard to know where to begin — the criminal waste of Luke’s final film appearance, the nonsensical plot (since when has space fuel been an issue in these movies?), completely pointless casino mission, flying space Leia, Rose’s entire character, the Phantom Menace-level awful “Resistance Kids”.
To be fair, many of the problems were inherited from J.J. Abrams’ slightly less awful predecessor — Rey the Mary Sue, emo Kylo Ren, the existence of the First Order completely invalidating the defeat of the Empire and the entire original trilogy — but Johnson somehow manages to make everything worse.

From unceremoniously killing off Snoke to dismissing the importance of Rey’s parentage to turning the ending of The Force Awakens into a literal throwaway joke by having Luke chuck the lightsaber, The Last Jedi is almost painfully self-aware in rejecting the previous film.

But in doing so, it feels like Johnson is rebooting the new trilogy in the second film. Not exactly a good sign. As terrible as The Force Awakens was, it’s made retroactively worse in the knowledge that none of the mysteries it introduces actually matter, and yet we’re stuck with these godawful characters and status quo.

One of the most annoying things was the fact that the best scene — the hyperspace kamikaze — was wasted on the worst character to ever appear in a Star Wars movie, instead of being given to Admiral Ackbar, a fan favourite and established character, who was instead killed off-screen and referenced in one line of dialogue.

Having read the glowing critic reviews, it felt like they had seen a completely different film. But then, as Meryl Streep, sorry, Laura Dern, literally turned to the camera and delivered a purple-hair speech to the Oscars crowd, sorry, spaceship, about RESISTING, everything made sense.

As bad as the George Lucas prequels were, at least they felt like they took place in the Star Wars universe. These new movies feel like a parody of Star Wars — a combination of Nickelodeon special and bad Saturday Night Live sketch.

George, we forgive you. Is it too late to bring back Jar Jar? I want off this Disney ride.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...r/news-story/fd57dd0435d18dccc1efaacab5d28f59

He must have read all the audience reviews in rotten tomotoes lol

Even George Lucas is having a go lol

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...i/news-story/4c9b4745f6e2aefd078869ad1e39cd6b
 
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Lemon Squash

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Saw it again last night with my missus, her first.

It was fantastic. She loved it too. In fact the fairly full audience at Livo vmax was cheering at the end.

That Luke Kylo showdown is awesome.

I might go again tomorrow. I feel like that kid with the Betamax ESB watching it every day after school and getting excited over and over again.

Can't wait for 9.

Not dissing you at all bro, I'm glad you managed to enjoy it and it appears a lot of people did which is great.

Just highlighting the fact this was the exact opposite of my experience... there was absolutely no buzz whatsoever during or after it finished... I was in a pretty much full house X-treme screen session, from past experiences if something is really good there will be cheering moments, gasps, clapping and just general noise/discussion after it finishes...

It was like leaving a wake when I left - people were very subdued, lots of confused looks on peoples faces it was quite weird tbh.
 
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Not dissing you at all bro, I'm glad you managed to enjoy it and it appears a lot of people did which is great.

Just highlighting the fact this was the exact opposite of my experience... there was absolutely no buzz whatsoever during or after it finished... I was in a pretty much full house X-treme screen session, from past experiences if something is really good there will be cheering moments, gasps, clapping and just general noise/discussion after it finishes...

It was like leaving a wake when I left - people were very subdued, lots of confused looks on peoples faces it was quite weird tbh.

No offence taken. Both sessions I've done had great vibes.
 

Lemon Squash

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WARNING: SPOILERS

A LONG time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Star Wars movies used to be good.

They featured interesting characters doing cool stuff — flying spaceships, shooting laser guns, rescuing princesses from evil space knights.

Today, under the rule of the Disney Social Justice Empire, Star Wars movies feature boring characters standing around giving cringe-worthy motivational speeches and crying.

Does anyone remember the scene in A New Hope where Luke Skywalker, sniffling as tears stream down his face, gives a two-minute monologue to Obi Wan Kenobi about his childhood and how the Evil Empire killed his uncle Owen and aunt Beru and how he hates, HATES them and they’ll never get away with it and he’s going to RESIST, as music swells and the camera cuts to Obi Wan’s face beaming with pride?

No. Owen and Beru get killed, Luke arrives just in time to find their charred bodies, looks sad for a second and tells Obi Wan, “I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father.” Then he f***ing gets on with it and doesn’t cry like a [non-gender-specific person] for two-and-a-half hours.

Or what about the iconic scene in the Mos Eisley Cantina where Han Solo meets Obi Wan for the first time. “I’m just a lowly smuggler,” he giggles nervously. “I’ve never met a JEDI HERO before!” Oh wait, that didn’t happen either. Han Solo didn’t care about Obi Wan. He called him a crazy old man and laughed behind his back.
People didn’t really care about things that much in the original films. Or if they did, they didn’t stand around talking about their feelings — they just did things, and we sometimes felt things as a result. In the new movies, everyone cares about everything, and they have to tell each other all the time, and as a result the audience feels nothing. The drama is forced, but worse, it’s completely unearned.

For three movies now, following The Force Awakens and Rogue One, these characters feel like children dropped into a Disney Star Wars theme park. (Gee, why might that be?) Every two minutes they stop to remind each other they’re in Star Wars. Remember Luke Skywalker? Remember Han Solo? Remember the Force? Any second you expect them to turn to the camera and go, “Can you guys believe this!?”

When they’re not reminding each other of things that happened in previous movies or even previous scenes in the same movie, they’re talking at great length about what they’re going to do in the next scene — usually with tears in their eyes, inspirational music and the word HOPE mentioned at least twice.

There are so many things wrong with Rian Johnson’s abomination it’s honestly hard to know where to begin — the criminal waste of Luke’s final film appearance, the nonsensical plot (since when has space fuel been an issue in these movies?), completely pointless casino mission, flying space Leia, Rose’s entire character, the Phantom Menace-level awful “Resistance Kids”.
To be fair, many of the problems were inherited from J.J. Abrams’ slightly less awful predecessor — Rey the Mary Sue, emo Kylo Ren, the existence of the First Order completely invalidating the defeat of the Empire and the entire original trilogy — but Johnson somehow manages to make everything worse.

From unceremoniously killing off Snoke to dismissing the importance of Rey’s parentage to turning the ending of The Force Awakens into a literal throwaway joke by having Luke chuck the lightsaber, The Last Jedi is almost painfully self-aware in rejecting the previous film.

But in doing so, it feels like Johnson is rebooting the new trilogy in the second film. Not exactly a good sign. As terrible as The Force Awakens was, it’s made retroactively worse in the knowledge that none of the mysteries it introduces actually matter, and yet we’re stuck with these godawful characters and status quo.

One of the most annoying things was the fact that the best scene — the hyperspace kamikaze — was wasted on the worst character to ever appear in a Star Wars movie, instead of being given to Admiral Ackbar, a fan favourite and established character, who was instead killed off-screen and referenced in one line of dialogue.

Having read the glowing critic reviews, it felt like they had seen a completely different film. But then, as Meryl Streep, sorry, Laura Dern, literally turned to the camera and delivered a purple-hair speech to the Oscars crowd, sorry, spaceship, about RESISTING, everything made sense.

As bad as the George Lucas prequels were, at least they felt like they took place in the Star Wars universe. These new movies feel like a parody of Star Wars — a combination of Nickelodeon special and bad Saturday Night Live sketch.

George, we forgive you. Is it too late to bring back Jar Jar? I want off this Disney ride.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...r/news-story/fd57dd0435d18dccc1efaacab5d28f59

He must have read all the audience reviews in rotten tomotoes lol

Even George Lucas is having a go lol

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...i/news-story/4c9b4745f6e2aefd078869ad1e39cd6b


Just about nails the review on TLJ for mine.

I think he/she has rose-coloured glasses on to a degree in regards to the originals though.

Also I thought TFA was fun and left me wanting more of the franchise with unanswered questions, which then TLJ mainly failed to deliver on. Also I actually really enjoyed Rogue One for what it was, a spin-off which answered a plot hole that had always hovered over the series and did it really well.

Lucas just needs to stay out of it completely... even if it was a masterpiece he would rubbish it, you sold the rights you miserable old merkin deal with it.
 

Bgoodorgoodatit

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For me i was a bit disappointed with it... Not as good as TFA

i think my main gripe outside of the stupid f**king Mary Poppins Princess Leia space walk was the Casino sub plot

I feel like the movie would have been a whole lot better if they just scrapped that whole chapter and had them figure out a way to get onto Snokes ship without having to go on some stupid quest. The way it was tacked on from the video chat with Maz while she was having a 'union dispute' to the code breaker who they don't even speak with to finding another code breaker who can also apparently do it ( after being told that it's so f**king hard that only this one guy can do it) was just shit. would have cut 20 min off the movie and improved it immensely IMO.

TFA got a standing ovation, after i saw TLJ it think i heard one clap at the end and quite a bit of laughter in places where your not supposed to be laughing..

Agree with the point above about Dern also. Just another tacked on shitty character who was about a convincing as an admiral as Smack is as a transgender Jew. Cut her the f**k out and have Ackbar make the ultimate sacrifice and we're onto something..

good movie but just cold have been a lot better.
 
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Danish

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Did you read that article? It pretty well sums up why Lucas is a f**king hack film maker these days.

His primary gripe with the movie was that there was too much practical effects and sets built, and his reasoning for why that is bad is because in order to shoot in 100 days you'd have to work really hard to set up all those shots for so many sets.

Thats right George. Just do it all in a green screen so you can sit your fat ass in a chair all day and not have to do all that work stuff
 
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The more I think about it the more I dislike this movie. Hate the SJW tone of it, kylo is interesting but just not intimidating at all, rey is not very interesting, snokes death is bizarre... Ugh...
 
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