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Star Wars The Last Jedi *** SPOILERS ***

Danish

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Is it the fact that she's asian that upsets people, or the fact that she's a poorly written character that adds absolutely nothing to the film despite her ample onscreen time?


Hating on "china pandering" is a pretty common trend in online movie chatter, primarily by americans. Its ironic because 20 years ago people used to love pointing out the propaganda of movies like Independence Day in which the US is always the country to save the world, but in the last few years when the load is shared to other nations it still gets called out. Movies can't win really. Look up some of the talk around the movie The Martian for a good dose. A tonne of people hated that China's space program was used to save the day in that film, despite that being a very realistic option in those circumstances.


As for Rose in particular, I'd say she does have an impact on the movie. She calls out Finn on being a little bitch that keeps trying to cut and run when the chips are down, for starters. After that she was geared to play a big part in deactivating their tracker, but they got busted.

To that end, Poe, Finn, and Rose's plan failing was actually a major plot point also. All 3 of them had no faith in the Rebel leadership for various reasons - Poe's hubris, Finn's cowardice, or Rose's hatred of the First Order - which blinded them to the risks they were taking and mistakes they were making, and ultimately lead to the death of the majority of the rebel force.

In the final battle each has shown to have learnt to overcome their flaws, with Finn willing to sacrifice himself for the cause, Rose letting go of her hate, and Poe gaining some humility in ceding strategic control to authority and the need to lose a battle here and there in order to win the war.


She is not a strong character at this point by any stretch (neither is Finn), but if she were a 20 something year old dude then no, I do not think the hate for her would be anywhere near the levels it is at now.
 

Danish

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finally Red letter media take on the new Star Wars film


I'm surprised these guys hate Sandler movies so much considering how unbelievably hilarious they appear to find their own jokes....


Seriously though, I enjoy their reviews. More so when the fat slob one in the hat isn't there
 

Mr Spock!

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So the last one will have no Luke, no Leia, no Han....

Pass

Btw it gets tiring seeing the First Order getting outwitted over and over.

Like how did they become powerful at all.
 

adamkungl

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So the last one will have no Luke, no Leia, no Han....

Pass

Who would want to watch a movie about 3 old codgers limping around 30 years past their prime

Btw it gets tiring seeing the First Order getting outwitted over and over.

Like how did they become powerful at all.

They clearly have the ascendancy at the end of this movie.. the rebellion has like 4 people and 1 ship left
 

Mr Spock!

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Lol......what about the resistance guy saying the white stuff was salt.....

Like to try and say hey we're not flogging scenes from Empire Strikes Back.....
 

Mr Spock!

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WARNING: SPOILERS

A LONG time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Star Wars movies used to be good.

They featured interesting characters doing cool stuff — flying spaceships, shooting laser guns, rescuing princesses from evil space knights.

Today, under the rule of the Disney Social Justice Empire, Star Wars movies feature boring characters standing around giving cringe-worthy motivational speeches and crying.

Does anyone remember the scene in A New Hope where Luke Skywalker, sniffling as tears stream down his face, gives a two-minute monologue to Obi Wan Kenobi about his childhood and how the Evil Empire killed his uncle Owen and aunt Beru and how he hates, HATES them and they’ll never get away with it and he’s going to RESIST, as music swells and the camera cuts to Obi Wan’s face beaming with pride?

No. Owen and Beru get killed, Luke arrives just in time to find their charred bodies, looks sad for a second and tells Obi Wan, “I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father.” Then he f***ing gets on with it and doesn’t cry like a [non-gender-specific person] for two-and-a-half hours.

Or what about the iconic scene in the Mos Eisley Cantina where Han Solo meets Obi Wan for the first time. “I’m just a lowly smuggler,” he giggles nervously. “I’ve never met a JEDI HERO before!” Oh wait, that didn’t happen either. Han Solo didn’t care about Obi Wan. He called him a crazy old man and laughed behind his back.
People didn’t really care about things that much in the original films. Or if they did, they didn’t stand around talking about their feelings — they just did things, and we sometimes felt things as a result. In the new movies, everyone cares about everything, and they have to tell each other all the time, and as a result the audience feels nothing. The drama is forced, but worse, it’s completely unearned.

For three movies now, following The Force Awakens and Rogue One, these characters feel like children dropped into a Disney Star Wars theme park. (Gee, why might that be?) Every two minutes they stop to remind each other they’re in Star Wars. Remember Luke Skywalker? Remember Han Solo? Remember the Force? Any second you expect them to turn to the camera and go, “Can you guys believe this!?”

When they’re not reminding each other of things that happened in previous movies or even previous scenes in the same movie, they’re talking at great length about what they’re going to do in the next scene — usually with tears in their eyes, inspirational music and the word HOPE mentioned at least twice.

There are so many things wrong with Rian Johnson’s abomination it’s honestly hard to know where to begin — the criminal waste of Luke’s final film appearance, the nonsensical plot (since when has space fuel been an issue in these movies?), completely pointless casino mission, flying space Leia, Rose’s entire character, the Phantom Menace-level awful “Resistance Kids”.
To be fair, many of the problems were inherited from J.J. Abrams’ slightly less awful predecessor — Rey the Mary Sue, emo Kylo Ren, the existence of the First Order completely invalidating the defeat of the Empire and the entire original trilogy — but Johnson somehow manages to make everything worse.

From unceremoniously killing off Snoke to dismissing the importance of Rey’s parentage to turning the ending of The Force Awakens into a literal throwaway joke by having Luke chuck the lightsaber, The Last Jedi is almost painfully self-aware in rejecting the previous film.

But in doing so, it feels like Johnson is rebooting the new trilogy in the second film. Not exactly a good sign. As terrible as The Force Awakens was, it’s made retroactively worse in the knowledge that none of the mysteries it introduces actually matter, and yet we’re stuck with these godawful characters and status quo.

One of the most annoying things was the fact that the best scene — the hyperspace kamikaze — was wasted on the worst character to ever appear in a Star Wars movie, instead of being given to Admiral Ackbar, a fan favourite and established character, who was instead killed off-screen and referenced in one line of dialogue.

Having read the glowing critic reviews, it felt like they had seen a completely different film. But then, as Meryl Streep, sorry, Laura Dern, literally turned to the camera and delivered a purple-hair speech to the Oscars crowd, sorry, spaceship, about RESISTING, everything made sense.

As bad as the George Lucas prequels were, at least they felt like they took place in the Star Wars universe. These new movies feel like a parody of Star Wars — a combination of Nickelodeon special and bad Saturday Night Live sketch.

George, we forgive you. Is it too late to bring back Jar Jar? I want off this Disney ride.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...r/news-story/fd57dd0435d18dccc1efaacab5d28f59

He must have read all the audience reviews in rotten tomotoes lol

Even George Lucas is having a go lol

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...i/news-story/4c9b4745f6e2aefd078869ad1e39cd6b

Yep....sums up the mood....

It's like Luke got bored at the end and said I'm over this.
 

Generalzod

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Yep....sums up the mood....

It's like Luke got bored at the end and said I'm over this.

Friends of mine who have seen it have told me they didn't like, I've just turned 50 and most of my friends are basically around that age bracket, I enjoyed it for what it was a pop corn movie 2 and half hours of escapism, We will never ever get to see a Star Wars film like the Empire Strikes back again.
 

mongoose

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i feel like such a buzz kill hating these movies but I thought it was poor.

Too many scenes and characters that do nothing to advance the main story or add to the star wars mythology. Rey doesn't grow in the film, gets no proper training and has no further understanding of the force. Oh but she lifts a bunch of rocks at the end which is suppose to be a big deal?? Kylo Ren and Poe are the best characters by far. I have no interest in Finn or Rose and their little adventure through the casino to get to the tracker thing was just a waste of time in the end.

Its always fun to see and hear star wars on the big screen but the movie was poorly written.
 

bileduct

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Hating on "china pandering" is a pretty common trend in online movie chatter, primarily by americans. Its ironic because 20 years ago people used to love pointing out the propaganda of movies like Independence Day in which the US is always the country to save the world, but in the last few years when the load is shared to other nations it still gets called out. Movies can't win really. Look up some of the talk around the movie The Martian for a good dose. A tonne of people hated that China's space program was used to save the day in that film, despite that being a very realistic option in those circumstances.
Seems like the Chinese are complaining about "China pandering" as well...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hollyw...re-chinese-actors-in-the-spotlight-1474304341

As for Rose in particular, I'd say she does have an impact on the movie. She calls out Finn on being a little bitch that keeps trying to cut and run when the chips are down, for starters. After that she was geared to play a big part in deactivating their tracker, but they got busted.

To that end, Poe, Finn, and Rose's plan failing was actually a major plot point also. All 3 of them had no faith in the Rebel leadership for various reasons - Poe's hubris, Finn's cowardice, or Rose's hatred of the First Order - which blinded them to the risks they were taking and mistakes they were making, and ultimately lead to the death of the majority of the rebel force.

In the final battle each has shown to have learnt to overcome their flaws, with Finn willing to sacrifice himself for the cause, Rose letting go of her hate, and Poe gaining some humility in ceding strategic control to authority and the need to lose a battle here and there in order to win the war.
Well here's what I witnessed: Poe gets dressed down for taking out a super duper death machine capable of wiping out bazillions of people while taking losses after which we go on a pointless detour resulting in more death that was all really worth it in the end because some animals escaped and a few billionaires had their drinks spilled.

She is not a strong character at this point by any stretch (neither is Finn), but if she were a 20 something year old dude then no, I do not think the hate for her would be anywhere near the levels it is at now.
Maybe it's because they took two weak characters and sent them off on a boring subplot.
 

Mr Spock!

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Seems like the Chinese are complaining about "China pandering" as well...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hollyw...re-chinese-actors-in-the-spotlight-1474304341


Well here's what I witnessed: Poe gets dressed down for taking out a super duper death machine capable of wiping out bazillions of people while taking losses after which we go on a pointless detour resulting in more death that was all really worth it in the end because some animals escaped and a few billionaires had their drinks spilled.


Maybe it's because they took two weak characters and sent them off on a boring subplot.

But love will save us.......
 

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