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Discussion in 'St George Illawarra Dragons' started by Bests Golden Boots, May 14, 2018.

  1. Bests Golden Boots

    Bests Golden Boots Juniors

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    I added up the stats.
    Our 17th man, be that Leilua, Sele, Lomax, Host or Robson, have so far played a combined 148 minutes in 10 games.
    An average of 14.8 minutes a game, or 7.4 minutes a half.
    Those figures boosted by Leiluas 90 minute total in the four games early in the season.

    You wonder why we go off the boil, why our forwards get busted mid season, why our “power game” falls apart?
    Well this is why, we handicap ourselves at the selection table each and every week.
     
  2. BennyV

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    I admit I havent watched the game yet. But over the past few weeks, I see a lot of comments on here about players, particularly young players, getting splinters from long stints on the bench and I personally find it ridiculous. The players dont sit on an actual bench, they get chairs on the sideline. And even if they did have an actual bench, I'm sure it wouldnt be made of timber in a poor enough state that players get splinters. I'm sure we'd be putting dollars in for a nice carbon-fibre bench with a cushioned top.

    I know we are in debt, but surely we can spend that much...
     
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    Bests Golden Boots Juniors

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    It may as well be a nice day bed so the 17th man can have a bit of a nap for 75 minutes of the game.
     
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  4. Old Timer

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    What about a float tank so they can have a lie down and they can listen to Mc Fookknuckle's game plan (aka the sounds of silence) via the audio system while they relax?
     
  5. Old Timer

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    What are they without LL?
     
  6. Bests Golden Boots

    Bests Golden Boots Juniors

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    Well, 4 Players, 58 minutes, 10 games, 5.8 minutes a game.
    Killin it.

    I didn’t watch the last 10 of the South’s game, but people tell me Lomax got 5 min, for zero runs and zero tackles. Welcome to first grade.
     
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    Coffs dragon Juniors

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    It's boardering on the ridiculous! Mary McIkea needs instructions how to assemble & construct a bench. FFS a strong bench used to the maximum capacity is vital to the teams energy levels & impact.
     
  8. RufusRex

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    8 interchanges is part of the puzzle with the 4th player on the bench.

    4 interchanges minimum used on Graham/Vaughan/Ah Mau/Latimore ... all should get between 30-50 minutes with the half time break the breaking up AhMau/Latimores stints .. This is pretty easy to understand.

    Jack is having a 15 minute breather which is costing us 2 interchanges to manage with Mann getting those minutes

    that leaves one bench player and 2 interchanges left


    I think that given 8 we will always have one bloke that gets less time .. but there needs to be a plan rather than 7 mins at the end.



    We can also afford to be a little more tactical in slight head knocks. They can give a bloke 15 mins break and not use interchanges to get him off/on again ... Plus any incident put on report can give you a free interchange too ...
     
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    Bests Golden Boots Juniors

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    Was the Burgess replacement a free interchange when Ah Mau brushed the lint off his nose?
     
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    Yes - HIA means you have to come off for 15 min protocol ... because it is forced it doesn’t cost you .. if the player cannot return it costs you 1 interchange, if the player can return after 15 he can come on for the same player with no interchanges used (I think)
     
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    Bests Golden Boots Juniors

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    Unbelievable.
    So Souths pull him off for a free interchange, Graham could hardly stand after the tackle on Burgess but doesn’t get replaced for free?

    That was my other point about Alexander hating us.
    Having a go at Ah Mau for his shot of Burgess, when his hand barely slid down the front of his face a brushed his nose, it was looked at by the video and no action taken. Brandy’s commentary made it sound like he almost took his head off.
     
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    Anyone on here have the stats for all the other nrl teams this year and how many mins they are giving all 4 of their bench players. That would make for interesting viewing to compare what with Mary and his idiotic tactics.
    Surely you pick a 4 man bench to use all 4 of them for more than that. It seems obvious.
     
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    When L plate picks a token debut player on the bench that player tells their family/friends excitedly I'm in 1st's this week but no need to rush out to the game,just as long as you are there by the 75th min:rolleyes:
     
  14. Old Timer

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    Actually 3.5 minutes as we scored a try just before he ran out so the clock was ticking while the goal attempt and restart took place.
     
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    But now training from both Kogarah and Gong. All problems with burnout solved.

    Straight Shooter
     
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    Jeez, 3.5 minutes for zero runs and zero tackles, back to Reggie’s for you you lazy basterd.
     
  17. This Year?

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    Add to that yesterday there were only 2 forwards in the interchange. Every man and his dog knew Souths were going to go up the guts so why not have 4 forwards to interchange? The players that did not train this week should not have played as well. If McGregor wants to handle the origin period better he needs to start getting our reserves game time instead of letting them catch a cold on the bench.
     
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    3 things that concerned me about Lomax yesterday.
    1. He hadn't played for 4 weeks but selected for debut in 1st grade.
    2. He gets effectively 3.5 mins of actual game time (in reality that will he 5 weeks and 3.5 mins of actual game time)
    3. Watching the replay and the Inglis try, he was sliw to turn and didn't show urgency to get back to cover. The Bunnies players just ran past him. I hope this is pointed out to him in his (cough cough) player review.

    I do hope this "#17" experiment by McGregor has seen its end in its current form, if not then who gets the nod next week? Herbert?, Periera?, Field, Kerr maybe?
    With JDB "hopeful" of playing, which to me means he shouldn't be, who slots in lock? Sele? Mann?
    If JDB is out, I would go with:
    Sele at 13
    Start LAM
    Bench: Graham (i think he's not 100% either), Latimore, Lawrie, Mann
     
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    All fair points Slayer,
    JDB would be in serious doubt & shouldn't have played yesterday,what a dumb decision that was.Mann could also be in some doubt too after his hit yesterday.Sele should have been there yesterday & must be there next week.
     
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    I reckon a good old rub and tug would do wonders
     
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