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3rd Test: Australia v Sri Lanka at Sydney Jan 3 - 7, 2013

Horrie Is God

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Now Watto is talking about giving up bowling..

But Clarke doesn't seem to like the idea all that much..

Stressful times for Watto..

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/shane-watson-may-give-up-bowling-in-wake-of-calf-injury-suffered-against-sri-lanka-at-the-mcg/story-fn2mcu3x-1226544888436#.UN5C4uTIFu0

Shane Watson may give up bowling in wake of calf injury suffered against Sri Lanka at the MCG..

By Malcolm Conn Herald Sun December 29, 2012 6:31AM

Perennially injured all-rounder Shane Watson is considering giving up bowling in a desperate bid to revive his constantly stalling Test career.

Australia’s vice-captain has been ruled out of the third Test against Sri Lanka in Sydney with yet another calf strain.

Watson has been replaced by Victoria's off-spinning all-rounder Glenn Maxwell, while Usman Khawaja is again on standby for Michael Clarke, who continues to feel his dodgy hamstring following Australia’s crushing innings and 201-run victory at the MCG on Friday.

Watson also missed the first two Tests of the summer against South Africa with a calf strain and all of the last Test summer with hamstring and calf problems.

"It’s been frustrating," said Watson.

"It’s been something that’s been hanging around for the last six months, it was good after Hobart and leading into this Test it started to play up a little bit and unfortunately didn’t hold together throughout this Test match.

"I am certainly doing some thinking about what my prospects are moving forward with my bowling especially.

"I have to sit down with the hierarchy and work out the best way to manage things so I can put some cricket together for a period of time.

"(I) especially want to get some continuity together with my batting.

"When you get injured it makes it difficult to build some momentum. It was nice to score some runs in this innings, but it means I am going to be out for a couple of weeks.

"At the moment I am trying to do the best job I can with bat and ball, but my batting is being affected in certain ways and obviously I can’t stay on the park consistently and that’s where we have to sit down and try to work through it."

Watson's second thoughts about his dual role will be news to his captain.

"That’s really decided by Watto," Clarke said.

"He wants to be an all-rounder.

"If you’re an all-rounder, you’ve got to be able to bat and bowl. Unless that changes in his mind, it won’t change in mine.

"We speak about it often. We’re very lucky to have such a good player who can do both. He could be in the team as a bowler, he could be in the team as a batter."

Jackson Bird is likely to carry the drinks in Sydney despite a successful first Test, claiming two early wickets in each innings, making way for Mitchell Starc, who is a definite starter.

Promoting wicketkeeper Matthew Wade to No.6 in the batting order and playing Maxwell as the all-rounder is a bold gamble, but one worth taking.

It also means Clarke will move up to four, a position he should now consider filling permanently given his record-breaking year of phenomenal batting performances.

If Watson does make it back into the Test side for India and there is no room for him at the top of the order he should move down to No.6 and let Clarke keep the game moving at four, a position Clarke has struggled with in the past.
 

Hallatia

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Watson is a better bowler than he is a batsman. He is also quite mentally fragile. I think cricket Australia should punt him if he decides to quit bowling. He's not great at being part of a team, and despite the fact that he is a very capable batsman, he won't be worth carrying without the bowling
 

unbreaK

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As much as I love Watson.. if he gives up his bowling there's really no use in having him, his batting isn't up to Australian levels, i'd much prefer Khawaja in the team if it was a specialist batsmen role.
 

Hallatia

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I am sure you could push Khawaja to become an all rounder, I guarantee he won't consider quitting bowling
 
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Exactly. His test career batting record is pretty ordinary.

Especially for a guy playing @ 4. I mean 2 centuries in 38 test matches?!


If anything he should be bowling more often if his body could stand up to it. He's a bowling all rounder.
 
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I have a feeling India will be the end of Lyon. A mediocre spinner going against batsman that play spin better than anything else on their home turf. If he gets smashed for 4 tests I reckon we'll go into every ashes test we possibly can with 4 quicks and no fulltime spinner.

Anyone with an understanding of finger spin , especially finger spin in Australia would laugh you out of the room.

Firstly plenty of great spinners have been smashed in India ( Shane warne for one)

Secondly Nathan Lyon is coming along very nicely for a finger spinner. He's still young and after 18 tests is averaging just over 30 with a really nice economy rate. That's great for an Australian finger spinner. And as Richie benaud mentioned his stats are better at this stage of his career than richie's we're at the same point.

Lastly spinners are vital for the team structure. Over rate is very important in the modern game ( a captain can now easily be suspended for a slow rate) and spinners are important for cleaning up the tail & keeping things tight from one end.

Lyon's stats are quite comparable with Ashley Mallett. That's how stupid you look.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Watto is also a liability in the field. He only fields in the slips or gully because if he has to break into more than a trot he tears both hamstrings, both calves and his mind.

Make him 20/20 captain, let him open in 50 over cricket but f**k him off from the test team.
 

BunniesMan

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About Watto: his batting numbers have been ordinary for quite a while yet there hasn't even been a whisper of dropping him...because of his bowling. If he quits bowling I hope he understands it would make it a lot easier for selectors to drop him.

Anyone with an understanding of finger spin , especially finger spin in Australia would laugh you out of the room.

Firstly plenty of great spinners have been smashed in India ( Shane warne for one)

Secondly Nathan Lyon is coming along very nicely for a finger spinner. He's still young and after 18 tests is averaging just over 30 with a really nice economy rate. That's great for an Australian finger spinner. And as Richie benaud mentioned his stats are better at this stage of his career than richie's we're at the same point.

Lastly spinners are vital for the team structure. Over rate is very important in the modern game ( a captain can now easily be suspended for a slow rate) and spinners are important for cleaning up the tail & keeping things tight from one end.

Lyon's stats are quite comparable with Ashley Mallett. That's how stupid you look.
His performances are declining. He was good in the first part of his career but lately and especially this summer he's doing less and less. The fact that he couldn't take a wicket to save his life cost us Adelaide and almost cost us Hobart.

FFS he can't do damage against Sri Lanka. What hope is he of contributing in anyway in our next 14 Tests against far better batting line ups.

Firstly his stats are padded significantly by getting soft wickets against the tail. Secondly whens the last time he did real damage to a decent top order (or any top order).

His numbers will decline significantly after 4 tests in India and 10 tests against the Great Wall of Cook and co.
 

typicalfan

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Lyon is doing ok, he did fine against India last season and although he doesn't penetrate much to be fair that is the fast bowlers job in this team, his job is to keep it quiet down the other end, he is quite economical. Hauritz couldn't do that and that is why he was ordinary. Lyon I reckon has had the most missed chances off his bowling with a number of dropped catches and missed stumpings.
 

BunniesMan

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Lyon is doing ok, he did fine against India last season and although he doesn't penetrate much to be fair that is the fast bowlers job in this team, his job is to keep it quiet down the other end, he is quite economical. Hauritz couldn't do that and that is why he was ordinary. Lyon I reckon has had the most missed chances off his bowling with a number of dropped catches and missed stumpings.
Everybody did fine against India last season.
 

TheParraboy

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lyon averaged 41.57 per wicket vs india last summer, his worst average in a series to date
 

hineyrulz

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Can anyone tell me the last time an Australian finger spinner took 5 wickets in Australia??

Pretty sure it was Tim May back in 93, not sure what everyone expects from Lyon. It's tough to bowl finger spin in Australia. He has done pretty well for us so far.
 

BunniesMan

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I'm not blameing Lyon. He has a go and does his best. He's just not a test level talent. The fact that he is in the team says a lot about the state of spin bowling in this country.

CA should get half a dozen talented teenagers and pay Shane Warne to coach them full time for 5 years. After 5 years surely we'd have at least 1 world class spinner.
 

BDR

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Yep cos a great player always = great coach

Warnie would have them on the piss the diet pills and the mobile phone within a month
 
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His performances are declining. He was good in the first part of his career but lately and especially this summer he's doing less and less. The fact that he couldn't take a wicket to save his life cost us Adelaide and almost cost us Hobart.

FFS he can't do damage against Sri Lanka. What hope is he of contributing in anyway in our next 14 Tests against far better batting line ups.

Firstly his stats are padded significantly by getting soft wickets against the tail. Secondly whens the last time he did real damage to a decent top order (or any top order).

His numbers will decline significantly after 4 tests in India and 10 tests against the Great Wall of Cook and co.



Most spinners other than the greats are there to clean up the tail. It's what Lyon is in the team for.

How many finger spinners in the history of cricket have done much damage to the top order? You could count them on one hand.

As I said , his job isn't just to take wickets. Its about the over rate & his economy as well. His economy rate is a very respectable 2.8.

Finger spinners have one of the toughest jobs in cricket. He's doing fine.

And until their is a clearly better option in the spinning department he won't go anywhere.
 
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Yep cos a great player always = great coach

Warnie would have them on the piss the diet pills and the mobile phone within a month

Well not always but warnie is widely regarded to have one of the best cricket brains of his era. Would have captained Australia if he wasn't such a clown off the field.
 

TheParraboy

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We have to persist with Lyon next 12 months at least, he is doing ok, though would like him to flight the ball more when runs dont matter

What concerns me is getting the 2nd spinner option right for india.
 
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Can anyone tell me the last time an Australian finger spinner took 5 wickets in Australia??

Pretty sure it was Tim May back in 93, not sure what everyone expects from Lyon. It's tough to bowl finger spin in Australia. He has done pretty well for us so far.

Colin Miller took 5/32 against the windies in the late 90's
 
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