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Dragons May Not Be a Basket Case After All

mickeylane

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Some positivity via this article by Dragons man - Andrew Webster.. we may finally have a Chairman that takes action..

THE DRAGONS AREN'T THE BASKET CASE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE

SMH
Andrew Webster
May 19, 2023 — 5.00am

I read with interest earlier this week that St George Illawarra coach Anthony Griffin had been sacked after two-and-a-bit years of mediocre performances, silly signings, bubble-bursting barbecues, and player-less presentation nights.

Didn’t see that coming. Who would ever have thought Griffin – previously sacked at the Broncos and Penrith – wasn’t the right man for the job?

After months of speculation, Anthony Griffin was finally given his marching orders by the Dragons

It’d be easy to write a blistering critique of the club and, particularly, the dysfunctional Dragons board that has heaped this torment upon all concerned, not least its exhausted fans who are presently suffering the indignity of being sledged by Wests Tigers supporters.

Yet there’s genuine reason for optimism. The Dragons aren’t a broken toy waiting to be thrown out. They’re ripe for a rebuild, a reset, a renaissance. They have an opportunity here to put the “joy” back into “joint-venture”.

They have a rich history, deep pockets, a new centre of excellence at Wollongong Uni under construction, but mostly a junior nursery bursting with young talent that can have them pushing for premierships again. Indeed, the next crop of Dragons juniors is being compared to that of the mid-2000s which resulted in the 2010 premiership.

The club simply needs to put the right people in place to make sure they cash in: head coach, head of football, head of recruitment. Back them and give them time.

Clearly, chairman Andrew Lancaster is taking a greater hands-on approach since being elevated into the role in November last year and this is a good thing.

For years, the Dragons board has been split straight down the middle. Less St George Illawarra than St George and Illawarra. Or St George and WIN Corporation, which bought out Illawarra in 2018.

It’s long been suggested the reason for the dysfunction is an ongoing personality clash between Lancaster, WIN’s chief executive, and Peter Doust, who stepped down as club chief executive before stepping onto the board soon after.

Those who know the pair reckon they’ve been arguing for the best part of 25 years, but they respect each other. As Lancaster pointed out at a members’ forum on Tuesday night, heated debate between directors is healthy.

Dragons problems coming well before the sacking of Anthony Griffin.

Doust has been pushing Jason Ryles as the next coach for months. They have a relationship from Ryles’ days as a player before Wayne Bennett pushed him out in 2008. Doust is also close to influential agent George Mimis, who represents Ryles.

Late last year, Doust also approached Shane Richardson about taking on a role as head of football. After initial reluctance from WIN-aligned board members, Lancaster agreed to meet Richardson.

The St George and WIN factions may never be on each other’s Christmas card lists, but they certainly need to find a harmonious working relationship if their club is to become a powerhouse again.

That Lancaster is amenable to Ryles taking over – and caught up with Richardson, even as a matter of courtesy – shows the Dragons are ready to make significant change.

Richardson is a long way off joining the club, although he’d be perfect in such a role, mapping out the pathways for the next wave of juniors coming into the system as he did in his two stints at South Sydney.

Ryles, however, is nudging closer to becoming a done deal.

Only weeks ago, he was telling those close to him that he didn’t want the Dragons job, spooked by the enormity of turning the entire operation around. But when the penny dropped that Craig Bellamy could be signing one-year deals at the Storm until he’s 90, his perspective started to change.

The Roosters aren’t happy he’s been negotiating with the Dragons and Storm but won’t stand in his way despite him being contracted as an assistant to Trent Robinson until the end of next year. I’m told they’ll let him out of his existing deal for $100,000.

Curiously, both clubs meet on Friday night at Jubilee Stadium where Ryles can cast an eye over the talent that will be available to him.

Billy Slater has backed Jason Ryles to take on the head coaching role at St George Illawarra Dragons.

It’s taken Dragons caretaker coach Ryan Carrone match to push back on the panicky selections Griffin has made this season. Zac Lomax is back in the side, Jacob Liddle returns and starts while Moses Mbye drops out of the 17 altogether.

Perhaps Carr will shift Lomax back to his customary position of right centre, from which he was moved in the off-season because he tried too many right-handed flick passes.

Maybe Carr will ask Ben Hunt to do for his club what he does for Australia and Queensland, wreaking havoc out of dummy half. Hunt doesn’t like playing hooker, and he wasn’t signed as a hooker, but when your side doesn’t have a quality hooker that’s where you play him, don’t you? At hooker?

The Dragons do not have a terrible roster, as claimed, but a young one ready to be shaped in the right way with quality, skills-based coaching. Like all young teams do.

They are loaded with prodigious talent with more to come. If they play it right and show patience, the Dragons’ junior nursery can have the same influence as that of Penrith, who are reaping the rich rewards of tapping their younger players.

It’s why Ryles wants to coach them, Richardson wants to run them, and Dragons fans should have optimism – if ever so slightly – better days are ahead.
 

jeffdragon

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Some positivity via this article by Dragons man - Andrew Webster.. we may finally have a Chairman that takes action..

THE DRAGONS AREN'T THE BASKET CASE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE

SMH
Andrew Webster
May 19, 2023 — 5.00am

I read with interest earlier this week that St George Illawarra coach Anthony Griffin had been sacked after two-and-a-bit years of mediocre performances, silly signings, bubble-bursting barbecues, and player-less presentation nights.

Didn’t see that coming. Who would ever have thought Griffin – previously sacked at the Broncos and Penrith – wasn’t the right man for the job?

After months of speculation, Anthony Griffin was finally given his marching orders by the Dragons

It’d be easy to write a blistering critique of the club and, particularly, the dysfunctional Dragons board that has heaped this torment upon all concerned, not least its exhausted fans who are presently suffering the indignity of being sledged by Wests Tigers supporters.

Yet there’s genuine reason for optimism. The Dragons aren’t a broken toy waiting to be thrown out. They’re ripe for a rebuild, a reset, a renaissance. They have an opportunity here to put the “joy” back into “joint-venture”.

They have a rich history, deep pockets, a new centre of excellence at Wollongong Uni under construction, but mostly a junior nursery bursting with young talent that can have them pushing for premierships again. Indeed, the next crop of Dragons juniors is being compared to that of the mid-2000s which resulted in the 2010 premiership.

The club simply needs to put the right people in place to make sure they cash in: head coach, head of football, head of recruitment. Back them and give them time.

Clearly, chairman Andrew Lancaster is taking a greater hands-on approach since being elevated into the role in November last year and this is a good thing.

For years, the Dragons board has been split straight down the middle. Less St George Illawarra than St George and Illawarra. Or St George and WIN Corporation, which bought out Illawarra in 2018.

It’s long been suggested the reason for the dysfunction is an ongoing personality clash between Lancaster, WIN’s chief executive, and Peter Doust, who stepped down as club chief executive before stepping onto the board soon after.

Those who know the pair reckon they’ve been arguing for the best part of 25 years, but they respect each other. As Lancaster pointed out at a members’ forum on Tuesday night, heated debate between directors is healthy.

Dragons problems coming well before the sacking of Anthony Griffin.

Doust has been pushing Jason Ryles as the next coach for months. They have a relationship from Ryles’ days as a player before Wayne Bennett pushed him out in 2008. Doust is also close to influential agent George Mimis, who represents Ryles.

Late last year, Doust also approached Shane Richardson about taking on a role as head of football. After initial reluctance from WIN-aligned board members, Lancaster agreed to meet Richardson.

The St George and WIN factions may never be on each other’s Christmas card lists, but they certainly need to find a harmonious working relationship if their club is to become a powerhouse again.

That Lancaster is amenable to Ryles taking over – and caught up with Richardson, even as a matter of courtesy – shows the Dragons are ready to make significant change.

Richardson is a long way off joining the club, although he’d be perfect in such a role, mapping out the pathways for the next wave of juniors coming into the system as he did in his two stints at South Sydney.

Ryles, however, is nudging closer to becoming a done deal.

Only weeks ago, he was telling those close to him that he didn’t want the Dragons job, spooked by the enormity of turning the entire operation around. But when the penny dropped that Craig Bellamy could be signing one-year deals at the Storm until he’s 90, his perspective started to change.

The Roosters aren’t happy he’s been negotiating with the Dragons and Storm but won’t stand in his way despite him being contracted as an assistant to Trent Robinson until the end of next year. I’m told they’ll let him out of his existing deal for $100,000.

Curiously, both clubs meet on Friday night at Jubilee Stadium where Ryles can cast an eye over the talent that will be available to him.

Billy Slater has backed Jason Ryles to take on the head coaching role at St George Illawarra Dragons.

It’s taken Dragons caretaker coach Ryan Carrone match to push back on the panicky selections Griffin has made this season. Zac Lomax is back in the side, Jacob Liddle returns and starts while Moses Mbye drops out of the 17 altogether.

Perhaps Carr will shift Lomax back to his customary position of right centre, from which he was moved in the off-season because he tried too many right-handed flick passes.

Maybe Carr will ask Ben Hunt to do for his club what he does for Australia and Queensland, wreaking havoc out of dummy half. Hunt doesn’t like playing hooker, and he wasn’t signed as a hooker, but when your side doesn’t have a quality hooker that’s where you play him, don’t you? At hooker?

The Dragons do not have a terrible roster, as claimed, but a young one ready to be shaped in the right way with quality, skills-based coaching. Like all young teams do.

They are loaded with prodigious talent with more to come. If they play it right and show patience, the Dragons’ junior nursery can have the same influence as that of Penrith, who are reaping the rich rewards of tapping their younger players.

It’s why Ryles wants to coach them, Richardson wants to run them, and Dragons fans should have optimism – if ever so slightly – better days are ahead.
Can it get worse ?
 

thebigredv

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he was telling those close to him that he didn’t want the Dragons job, spooked by the enormity of turning the entire operation around

I get this. We are either going to get someone a little left of centre with a few runs on the board that wouldn't say no to a gig, from their own self-interest. I feel we have already had that and it hasn't worked. Ryles is highly regarded but he can't do this all on his own. I believe he is a good fit - fresh with some roots in the club.

This next interim phase is important. Now that the key board members may be aligning their thoughts in terms of Richardson and Ryles, the players need to do their bit and respond to Carr so that the new HC and prospective players can be drawn to the club.
 

SaintPeter

Juniors
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I remember before Hook started, the same author, Andrew Webster, wrote an article pleading with SGI not to sign Griffin. He predicted and described almost exactly what would happen, and it did.
He has IMO some very good insights into RL in general and SGI specifically.
Hopefully now we have something to look forward to.
PS to Jason Ryles, please sign some forwards with passion and aggression.
 

Slippery Morris

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Great article by Webster and for him to praise Saints that is huge as he has really been critical of them for a while and rightly so. Looks like he sees or has heard something he likes and they have won him back over. I too am feeling optimistic with the Saints now that Hook is gone and they are looking at Ryles, Richo and Browny.
 

redandwhite4evr

Juniors
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Some positivity via this article by Dragons man - Andrew Webster.. we may finally have a Chairman that takes action..

THE DRAGONS AREN'T THE BASKET CASE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE

SMH
Andrew Webster
May 19, 2023 — 5.00am

I read with interest earlier this week that St George Illawarra coach Anthony Griffin had been sacked after two-and-a-bit years of mediocre performances, silly signings, bubble-bursting barbecues, and player-less presentation nights.

Didn’t see that coming. Who would ever have thought Griffin – previously sacked at the Broncos and Penrith – wasn’t the right man for the job?

After months of speculation, Anthony Griffin was finally given his marching orders by the Dragons

It’d be easy to write a blistering critique of the club and, particularly, the dysfunctional Dragons board that has heaped this torment upon all concerned, not least its exhausted fans who are presently suffering the indignity of being sledged by Wests Tigers supporters.

Yet there’s genuine reason for optimism. The Dragons aren’t a broken toy waiting to be thrown out. They’re ripe for a rebuild, a reset, a renaissance. They have an opportunity here to put the “joy” back into “joint-venture”.

They have a rich history, deep pockets, a new centre of excellence at Wollongong Uni under construction, but mostly a junior nursery bursting with young talent that can have them pushing for premierships again. Indeed, the next crop of Dragons juniors is being compared to that of the mid-2000s which resulted in the 2010 premiership.

The club simply needs to put the right people in place to make sure they cash in: head coach, head of football, head of recruitment. Back them and give them time.

Clearly, chairman Andrew Lancaster is taking a greater hands-on approach since being elevated into the role in November last year and this is a good thing.

For years, the Dragons board has been split straight down the middle. Less St George Illawarra than St George and Illawarra. Or St George and WIN Corporation, which bought out Illawarra in 2018.

It’s long been suggested the reason for the dysfunction is an ongoing personality clash between Lancaster, WIN’s chief executive, and Peter Doust, who stepped down as club chief executive before stepping onto the board soon after.

Those who know the pair reckon they’ve been arguing for the best part of 25 years, but they respect each other. As Lancaster pointed out at a members’ forum on Tuesday night, heated debate between directors is healthy.

Dragons problems coming well before the sacking of Anthony Griffin.

Doust has been pushing Jason Ryles as the next coach for months. They have a relationship from Ryles’ days as a player before Wayne Bennett pushed him out in 2008. Doust is also close to influential agent George Mimis, who represents Ryles.

Late last year, Doust also approached Shane Richardson about taking on a role as head of football. After initial reluctance from WIN-aligned board members, Lancaster agreed to meet Richardson.

The St George and WIN factions may never be on each other’s Christmas card lists, but they certainly need to find a harmonious working relationship if their club is to become a powerhouse again.

That Lancaster is amenable to Ryles taking over – and caught up with Richardson, even as a matter of courtesy – shows the Dragons are ready to make significant change.

Richardson is a long way off joining the club, although he’d be perfect in such a role, mapping out the pathways for the next wave of juniors coming into the system as he did in his two stints at South Sydney.

Ryles, however, is nudging closer to becoming a done deal.

Only weeks ago, he was telling those close to him that he didn’t want the Dragons job, spooked by the enormity of turning the entire operation around. But when the penny dropped that Craig Bellamy could be signing one-year deals at the Storm until he’s 90, his perspective started to change.

The Roosters aren’t happy he’s been negotiating with the Dragons and Storm but won’t stand in his way despite him being contracted as an assistant to Trent Robinson until the end of next year. I’m told they’ll let him out of his existing deal for $100,000.

Curiously, both clubs meet on Friday night at Jubilee Stadium where Ryles can cast an eye over the talent that will be available to him.

Billy Slater has backed Jason Ryles to take on the head coaching role at St George Illawarra Dragons.

It’s taken Dragons caretaker coach Ryan Carrone match to push back on the panicky selections Griffin has made this season. Zac Lomax is back in the side, Jacob Liddle returns and starts while Moses Mbye drops out of the 17 altogether.

Perhaps Carr will shift Lomax back to his customary position of right centre, from which he was moved in the off-season because he tried too many right-handed flick passes.

Maybe Carr will ask Ben Hunt to do for his club what he does for Australia and Queensland, wreaking havoc out of dummy half. Hunt doesn’t like playing hooker, and he wasn’t signed as a hooker, but when your side doesn’t have a quality hooker that’s where you play him, don’t you? At hooker?

The Dragons do not have a terrible roster, as claimed, but a young one ready to be shaped in the right way with quality, skills-based coaching. Like all young teams do.

They are loaded with prodigious talent with more to come. If they play it right and show patience, the Dragons’ junior nursery can have the same influence as that of Penrith, who are reaping the rich rewards of tapping their younger players.

It’s why Ryles wants to coach them, Richardson wants to run them, and Dragons fans should have optimism – if ever so slightly – better days are ahead.
Hate to rain on everyone's parade when we are all down and out and need a good news story but Webster is a perverse sort of cat-the Dragons are crap byline is exhausted and he sees the opportunity for a different angle- surely more needs to be made of the incredibly ill-advised and gutless decision (presumably by Lancaster and Webb) to send out players to answer questions about the coach. That decision is hardly likely to induce player agents to influence their charges to relocate to the gong and goes to the heart of an organisation (WIN) that doesn't have a footy DNA.

And where is this prodigious talent? None of our (male) junior teams made the finals this year. Our KOI team is languishing at the foot of the table. Coaching (Bronx Goodwin- jobs for the boys)-nepotism- some directors (Doust) been there for 40 years)-not mentioned by good old Andrew.

Too many skeletons still in cupboards- too many mistakes can still be swept under carpet for my liking. Root and branch review needed and it needs to start with the Board- but it won't- they've found the convenient scapegoat in Hook
 

JamesRustle

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They have a rich history, deep pockets, a new centre of excellence at Wollongong Uni under construction, but mostly a junior nursery bursting with young talent that can have them pushing for premierships again. Indeed, the next crop of Dragons juniors is being compared to that of the mid-2000s which resulted in the 2010 premiership.
No evidence of these deep pockets funding useful things.... and they're no good when you have short arms.
 
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The St George and WIN factions may never be on each other’s Christmas card lists, but they certainly need to find a harmonious working relationship if their club is to become a powerhouse again.
This to me is the crux of what is humbling this joint venture club, dysfunction at the top level. Everyone knows the rot begins at the top then filters down festering as it goes.
 
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Maybe Carr will ask Ben Hunt to do for his club what he does for Australia and Queensland, wreaking havoc out of dummy half. Hunt doesn’t like playing hooker, and he wasn’t signed as a hooker, but when your side doesn’t have a quality hooker that’s where you play him, don’t you? At hooker?
.. giving good distribution is hardly wreaking havoc Webster. And sorry mr scribe we do have a quality hooker , Jake Liddle. Should never have been dropped. He has been tearing em up in Ressies and now back at the top he will resume where he left off. A partnership between he and Hunt would be just the go forward we need to unleash our attacking talents, Sloan, Amone, Sullivan, even Lomax.
 
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The Dragons do not have a terrible roster, as claimed, but a young one ready to be shaped in the right way with quality, skills-based coaching. Like all young teams do.

They are loaded with prodigious talent with more to come. If they play it right and show patience, the Dragons’ junior nursery can have the same influence as that of Penrith, who are reaping the rich rewards of tapping their younger players.
100%. Is now up to our BOD making the correct decisions to put in place a mechanism to make this happen. All members must be on the same page, as any further division or self interest will continue to harm the good name of this famous club.
 
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denis preston

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Hate to rain on everyone's parade when we are all down and out and need a good news story but Webster is a perverse sort of cat-the Dragons are crap byline is exhausted and he sees the opportunity for a different angle- surely more needs to be made of the incredibly ill-advised and gutless decision (presumably by Lancaster and Webb) to send out players to answer questions about the coach. That decision is hardly likely to induce player agents to influence their charges to relocate to the gong and goes to the heart of an organisation (WIN) that doesn't have a footy DNA.

And where is this prodigious talent? None of our (male) junior teams made the finals this year. Our KOI team is languishing at the foot of the table. Coaching (Bronx Goodwin- jobs for the boys)-nepotism- some directors (Doust) been there for 40 years)-not mentioned by good old Andrew.

Too many skeletons still in cupboards- too many mistakes can still be swept under carpet for my liking. Root and branch review needed and it needs to start with the Board- but it won't- they've found the convenient scapegoat in Hook
Jesus, you would boo Santa Claus ! Firstly that’s why they are looking for a football manager and why Lancaster has been come out of the Board bubble. As for talent we have at least 3 Or 4 forwards coming through but this is better answer by some on here that actually attend junior games.
Are you OK ?
 
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