Folau turns back on Eels to play rugby union

[MrT]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...king-izzy-an-eel/story-e6frext9-1226518518536



so Schubert thinks he's worth more than Lockyer under the cap

Ian Schubert must be sacked immediately
Folau out of the game for 2 years and says he's worth 350-400k
While Gasnier came back for 55k and he played Union, a similar game.

This is an absolute disgrace. We should call the NRL office and vioce our opinions

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I don't have a problem with them valuing him under the cap at $350K. Seems very fair for a top player like Izzy.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

Fuc*ing NRL, just let him come back FFS! We try to everything by the book and we cop this shit. I am FUMING. This deal had better go through...

 

[El Diablo]

Do we really know what Lockyer was valued at under the cap?
Is the $200K genuine?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...ncos-would-cost-your-team-20100814-1240b.html

But the revelation that Kangaroos skipper Darren Lockyer, one of the best players of all time, is on the books for a mere $250,000 a season raises further concerns over the salary cap's ability to fairly distribute playing talent - its stated purpose.

It's estimated that Thaiday and Hodges could command about $400,000 a season each on the open market but the NRL has ratified deals under the salary cap worth significantly less.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

$250K for Lockyer seems low. Glad the NRL are trying to fix it now. With the cap going up I reckon $350K for Izzy is about right.
Just do the deal Parra if we really want him.

 

[TeHEel]

I don't have a problem with them valuing him under the cap at $350K. Seems very fair for a top player like Izzy.

The issue is not whether the price is fair, it is the inconsistency. If they wanted to handle these things better with more transparency they should publish a NRL player minimum salary cap value list. The issue I see is if exposed it would raise issues that they do not want to explain. Overal though in the long run it would be better for all.

 

[Eels Dude]

At the end of the day I have confidence in Peter Nolan slowly but surely getting our cap situation back in order.

Is that even his job though? I'd have thought it Edwards and the reason we're in this predicament is because Kearney and Nolan were doing it all themselves.

 

[The EELiminator]

Ian Schubert must be sacked immediately
Folau out of the game for 2 years and says he's worth 350-400k
While Gasnier came back for 55k and he played Union, a similar game.

This is an absolute disgrace. We should call the NRL office and vioce our opinions

is this based on an official rule of the nrl or just a knee jerk reaction based on what happened with lockyer and gasnier?

the nrl should either put a rule in place to cover it or f**k off and leave us alone not try to dictate what we can and cant pay a player after every other man and his dog has changed things to suit themselves

 

[The EELiminator]

$250K for Lockyer seems low. Glad the NRL are trying to fix it now. With the cap going up I reckon $350K for Izzy is about right.
Just do the deal Parra if we really want him.

funny they only want to 'fix' it when parra are buying a player but when it was the dragons and broncos it was open slather

 

[The EELiminator]

Everyone knows that Lockyer was ridiculously undervalued so I suppose they are trying to at least appear to be doing something about it now.

thats the wrong way to go about it imo make a rule to cover ALL clubs dont just clamp down on one club to make it look like you are doing something after others have already got away with it

 

[hineyrulz]

Absolute disgrace, why do we always get the shit end if the stick ?? Rorted out a GF win, losing Kinga when players were happy to take a pay cut. Adding to the cap when we flew Fui's son out here, producing juniors only to have them poached by other clubs. We have done far more than the NRL have done to bring a former superstar player back to RL. And our reward?? A kick to the nuts :?

 

[Maroubra Eel]

I don't see the problem. Just sign him to a fair price and get on with things.

 

[duck_dodgers]

$250K for Lockyer seems low. Glad the NRL are trying to fix it now. With the cap going up I reckon $350K for Izzy is about right.
Just do the deal Parra if we really want him.

Lockyer wouldve got a discount for long service ( think its 100k)

what he was on the books for and actually paid are 2 different animals .

 

[The EELiminator]

Lockyer wouldve got a discount for long service ( think its 100k)

what he was on the books for and actually paid are 2 different animals .

how do you know that wasnt included in the 250?

 

[boxhead]

Lockyer wouldve got a discount for long service ( think its 100k)

what he was on the books for and actually paid are 2 different animals .

That's the point though. Why would Lockyer be valued at 250K whilst being the Australian captain and a future Immortal yet Folau, who has been out of the game for two years, commands almost double that? It is just inconsistent from Schubert/the NRL. Don't even get me started on the Gasnier farce. If the NRL had any brains, common sense or business nous, they would have approved the deal weeks ago.

For those who are interested, "the Ken" has said this week will be interesting and the "lack of money" card is just to make the deal look sweeter when it is done.
Frankly, I still can't believe we only have 110K under the cap, so that's somewhat believable to me.

 

[Tony Bongo]

thats the wrong way to go about it imo make a rule to cover ALL clubs dont just clamp down on one club to make it look like you are doing something after others have already got away with it

I'm still surprised that the Dogs managed to squeeze an extra 2 players in mid season. I don't say I agree with how Schubert is handling things - I'm just saying that what it looks like to me is that they are now trying to make amends for their mistakes of the past. Sadly it would seem at our expense.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Lockyers $250K back in 2010 is equivalent to today's $350K, with the cap going up.
And maybe his $250K was after the $100K discount. Who knows.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do you really need an answer to that? No I don't think you do, you must be having a lend.

But nice try fishing though.

Yeah I do need an answer to it. Why exactly should the quality of kids in our district translate into an advantage to our NRL club? The market decides where they go, and any geographical advantage we might gain from them living nearby is shared by every other club within driving distance of these players' homes.

Case in point, all the Eels 'juniors' we have poached from outside the district in the last 15 years, including the Hindmarshes, Luke Burt, Andrew Ryan, Willie Tonga, Jamie Lyon, Tim and Ben Smith, Jarryd Hayne and so on. All these guys lived closer to other clubs, just like how Paul Gallen lived closer to us but went elsewhere.

 

[boxhead]

I'm still surprised that the Dogs managed to squeeze an extra 2 players in mid season. I don't say I agree with how Schubert is handling things - I'm just saying that what it looks like to me is that they are now trying to make amends for their mistakes of the past. Sadly it would seem at our expense.

Pretty much. And yet we've always done things basically by the book and even went to the NRL on every occasion that we were slightly over the cap. We never intentionally attempted to cheat the cap. But no, clubs like the Bulldogs and the Storm can win premierships two years after they were found out.

 

[The EELiminator]

The issue is not whether the price is fair, it is the inconsistency. If they wanted to handle these things better with more transparency they should publish a NRL player minimum salary cap value list. The issue I see is if exposed it would raise issues that they do not want to explain. Overal though in the long run it would be better for all.

you could have a set list of prices for things like playing city/country, origin, and aus or nz so no rep player can be paid less that a non rep player