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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Vee

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Even funnier is this quote. They actually expected 5000 GWS fans to travel to Melbourne? They don't even travel from western Sydney to Homebush.
Deluded f**ks the lot of them.
Deluded like a fox. They keep getting the grants.
 

El Diablo

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...m/news-story/65da7ec16d8ae9e9b022f0a3c6251e09

NSW government’s bill for advice on stadiums plan tops $20m

Gladys Berejiklian’s government has spent more than $20 million on consultants sorting out its stadiums policy without yet coming to a clear landing on the final business cases on its $2.7 billion policy that involves knocking down and rebuilding two stadiums.

Among those hired include a PR and lobbying firm — Newgate — to advise the government on its “stakeholder engagement strategy” to market its $1.25bn plan to knock down and rebuild ANZ Stadium, which many in government believe will now be delayed.

The Australian has learnt that part of the strategy put by Newgate on the ANZ redevelopment included that stakeholders lie low — one of the reasons the NRL has been loath to come out and back the policy. Internal government critics have blamed the NRL for not doing more to defend the government’s plan.

The showdown on whether to knock down and rebuild Allianz Stadium, despite a blowout in costs from $705m to about $900m, is now expected to go to cabinet next Thursday with a decision on the proposed $1.25bn rebuild of ANZ Stadium to be considered later.

Documents obtained by The Australian show that the government also hired Deloittes last year to conduct a study and prepare a preliminary business case on a new indoor tennis arena near the city. In 2015-16, according to government annual reports and other documents, the SCG Trust was given $5.8m towards “completion of the concept design phase for development of the proposed National Football Stadium, to replace the existing Allianz Stadium”.

In 2015-16, $180,743 was spent by the Department of Premier and Cabinet on KPMG work on ANZ Stadium. MI Associates Ltd was paid $37,353 for stadiums strategy, and PwC received contracts of $130,000 and $110,000 apiece on stadiums governance and major stadiums capital planning. In 2016-17, KPMG was paid $1.2m for “financial advisory services for the ANZ Stadium project” and Clayton Utz was paid $1.14m for “legal advisory services”. KPMG was then paid $284,450 for a “stadiums network study and preliminary business case” and $77,104 for a “stadia commerciality framework”.

PwC was given $167,488 for an “ANZ Stadium redevelopment project brief” and in the SCG Trust annual report for 2016-17, the trust announced $8.1m for “Allianz Stadium project design and associated consultancy costs”.

The government confirmed yesterday $10m had been spent on the design and business case of the new ANZ Stadium. Internal documents obtained by The Australian say of the study into indoor stadiums: “The Principal has budgeted a capped cost of $250,000 (including GST) for the delivery of both Part A — Feasibility Study and Part B — Preliminary Business Case.”

A spokeswoman for the NSW government’s Office of Sport said: “The Office of Sport has conducted a feasibility study to develop a new indoor arena in Sydney. As stated in our annual report, that work was costed at $83,084.”

Sports Minister Stuart Ayres’s office sent questions on the consultancies to his departments.

Opposition Leader Luke Foley said: “Stuart Ayres has been allowed to roam around town with the state’s credit card.

Mr Foley came under heat in question time yesterday after he did not rule out works on ANZ Stadium if he were elected next year.
 

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Parra western stand progress.

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Parra western stand progress.

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Interesting here. This stand requires formwork because of the corporate boxes, change rooms etc. whilst the other stands look like they’re all pre fab concrete sections.

Presumably by having all the corporate boxes on one side of the field it makes the build much quicker than it otherwise would be.
 

Suitman

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Interesting here. This stand requires formwork because of the corporate boxes, change rooms etc. whilst the other stands look like they’re all pre fab concrete sections.

Presumably by having all the corporate boxes on one side of the field it makes the build much quicker than it otherwise would be.

Yeh, pretty much.
 

beave

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Interesting here. This stand requires formwork because of the corporate boxes, change rooms etc. whilst the other stands look like they’re all pre fab concrete sections.

Presumably by having all the corporate boxes on one side of the field it makes the build much quicker than it otherwise would be.

I think the new NQ stadium is using the same philosophy. The extra shit required to make it pass cyclone requirements will drive the cost up and probably make the new NQ stadium a little bland compared to the LED bells and whistles of Parras new digs but tbh, all of NQ is thankful we actually get a proper f**king stadium now after 24 seasons in the old shit box.

New parra looks brillant thus far, shows just how f**king antiquated some of our other stadiums are.
 
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Perth Red

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Interesting here. This stand requires formwork because of the corporate boxes, change rooms etc. whilst the other stands look like they’re all pre fab concrete sections.

Presumably by having all the corporate boxes on one side of the field it makes the build much quicker than it otherwise would be.

Yeh for stands without boxes, player facilities etc they nowadays just build them as skeletal frames with the pre formed seating terraces slotted in and the fans amenities in separate buildings underneath it. Means they can knock them up pretty quickly, though doesn't seem to have brought the cost down much.

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Pommy

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Interesting here. This stand requires formwork because of the corporate boxes, change rooms etc. whilst the other stands look like they’re all pre fab concrete sections.

Presumably by having all the corporate boxes on one side of the field it makes the build much quicker than it otherwise would be.

Probably cheaper and more efficient to service the boxes on match day as well.

Noticed this on Facebook earlier, looks like they really are trying to make a night out at the footie a cheaper option for families etc.

 

Raiderdave

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Raiders have had discounted food for a few years now
plus 10% more off for members
and the food is .. well... not too bad
 

El Diablo

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...s/news-story/415a0f05819ce2885c0b46303360b03a

Allianz and ANZ stadiums: Coalition at odds over rebuilds

NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres cannot see any reason for a government rethink on its controversial $2.7 billion stadiums build, despite Deputy Premier John Barilaro leaving the door open on a stadium windback in parliament yesterday.

“Of course there will be more conversations on stadiums. It’s got to come back to ERC (expenditure review committee), I’m a member of ERC. We still have to make the final decision,” Mr Barilaro told question time.

Earlier, Mr Ayres told radio 2GB that: “I can’t see any reason why we would go back. We’ve been out talking to the public about why it’s important.”

There is growing speculation in the government that the fact Mr Ayres will take the final business case for the proposed rebuilding of Allianz Stadium at Moore Park to cabinet ahead of the strategic business case of ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park is a sign he might argue to go with Allianz, rather than the ANZ development as well. This would particularly be the case if, as well as the blowout of up to $200 million in the cost of the $705m rebuild of Allianz that The Australian has foreshadowed, there was a blowout in the $1.25bn put on the cost of knocking down and rebuilding ANZ.


On top of those costs, the government spent $200m buying ANZ back and has spent $300m on a new Parramatta stadium, causing community angst at the size of the stadiums spending. But some ministers are now concerned if the government abandons ANZ — after Opposition Leader Luke Foley made noises about interest in a refurbishment of ANZ Stadium — that Mr Foley could then turn the election into an eastern suburbs versus western suburbs fight and hem in the Coalition.

Mr Ayres was questioned on 2GB about the fact he was not prepared to build a cheaper 30,000-seat stadium to replace Allianz that the NRL was proposing — rather than the 45,000-seater currently planned.

He conceded the 30,000-seat stadium would cost less but claimed the 45,000-seat stadium was required to “have that diversity of the stadium network”.

The minister tripped over when he discussed how close the Allianz stadium was to the nearest train station. “One of the remarkable things we all forget is just how close the SCG and Allianz stadium actually is to Central Station,” Mr Ayres said. “It’s 1½ kilometres; it’s actually closer than Suncorp Stadium to the centre of Brisbaneand if you wanted to use another comparison, it’s exactly the same distance as what the MCG is from Flinders Street Station.”

Mr Ayres did not mention that Jolimont station is 280m from the MCG. Allianz is a 1.9km walk from Central.
 

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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/b9600909cad086462b7e3cbd5317305a

Editorial: Sir Frank Lowy talks stadium sense

Editorial, The Daily Telegraph
March 8, 2018 11:00pm

SIR Frank Lowy is not just a legendary Australian and one of the greatest success stories this country has ever produced, he also knows a thing or two about really big building projects.

So when the former chairman of both Westfield and Football Federation Australia has something to say about Sydney’s sporting infrastructure, it pays to listen.

And his message is loud and clear when it comes to the state government’s plan to invest $2 billion to rebuild Allianz Stadium at Moore Park and ANZ Stadium at Homebush.

This city needs world-class sporting infrastructure as much as it needs theatres and other cultural institutions, and it is time to get on with the job.

In an exclusive interview with The Daily Telegraph, Sir Frank backed the call to knock down the existing stadiums, noting the lack of space at their current locations makes expanding or refurbishing them unsuitable solutions.

That’s not all the outspoken Sir Frank had to say. While the rebirth of the ANZ and Allianz stadiums would be a boon for sport, culture and the economy, he also said that Sydney was at risk of hamstringing itself due to the lack of good transport options.

Proving that being stuck in traffic is a wholly democratic and universal experience for Sydneysiders that knows no class boundaries, Sir Frank said we had to move now to cater for the population growth that is slated to hit Sydney.

Echoing the thoughts of many in this city, Sir Frank told The Daily Telegraph, “The traffic in Sydney is unbelievable and I think we need to build more connecting roads ... can you imagine what Sydney will be like in 20 years time?”

According to the shopping centre mogul, this means more underground roads in the inner city as well as more trains.

As well as projects such as the two stadium rebuilds, he supports building a high-speed railway line to link Western Sydney Airport with Parramatta and the Sydney CBD.

All of which is about as sound an endorsement of embarking on an infrastructure campaign as can be found.

A man who escaped war-torn Europe with nothing, only to fetch up in Australia to build a multibillion-dollar retail empire knows a thing or two about planning for the future.

We’re improving with age



Over the hill ain’t what it used to be. In fact, if new research is anything to go by, Australian women are feeling happier and more confident at ever older ages.

Researchers found that of a sample group of more than 2000 women surveyed between ages 40 and 59, nearly half said they never looked better and two-thirds rated themselves more confident and body positive than when they were younger.

And this, researchers found, led to better results in everything — from career prospects to the bedroom.

So much for the old saying, youth is wasted on the young.

Rails to Newcastle

Sydney to Newcastle in two hours seems like an impossibly quick trip by rail, but there is a glimmer of hope it may be possible.

As The Daily Telegraph reports, the federal Infrastructure Department is investigating a major upgrade to the rail line between the two cities.

Should it occur, the project would open up a range of new housing and jobs.

It would all be made possible through a series of upgrades to tracks, removal of level crossings, simplifying ageing junctions, and shifting freight services that currently clog the passenger routes between the two cities.

But Novocastrians should not jump the gun and start job hunting in the Sydney CBD with an expectation of a shortened commute just yet.

What’s on the table is at this stage just a proposal which will be lodged with Infrastructure Australia next year.

Nevertheless, faster rail services between the two cities would be a tremendous asset to both metropolises, and even if it’s a long way off many would say it can’t come a moment too soon.
 

Delboy

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Political slogans - Luke Foley
Hates RL and Western Sydney - Peter Fitzwanker
Anti rectangle stadiums- AFL loving media and Stuart Ayres

The expenditure nonsense shows how easy it is to stretch an argument given that it is a fraction of overall budget and amounts spent on schools and hospitals

Remember it's easy to see how biased the media is given the number of AFL state based journos who further their career by coming to Sydney, their sport bias continues. Hell, even the knobhead that is doing the Comm games and Sunday morning 7 show is ex AFL commentator originally from WA. You dont further your job prospects leaving Sydney to go to Adelaide/Perth or Melbourne. Out sport suffers from this fact as they support what they have been brought up with .
 

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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw...diums-second-day-running-20180309-p4z3mq.html

'Never say never': Door open on ditching stadiums second day running


NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro has for a second straight day fanned speculation the government is open to dumping its controversial $2.5-billion stadium rebuilding policy by saying the government would have to respond if there was “red hot” community anger over the plan.

The comments are a distinct change in rhetoric from statements made last week by Premier Gladys Berejiklian who said the government intended to take its $2.5-billion plan to demolish and rebuild both ANZ Stadium at Olympic Park and Allianz Stadium at Moore Park to next year’s election.

“I've learnt in politics, never say never,” Mr Barilaro, the leader of the NSW parliamentary Nationals, said on ABC radio on Friday.
Since assuming the deputy premier's role in 2016, Mr Barilaro has been outspokenly critical of some major government reforms such as council amalgamations.

And he acknowledged the government had changed its policy on a number of controversial issues in response to community feedback, such as the wholesale cancellation of rural and some metropolitan council mergers.

"Sometimes as governments and politicians you've got to learn to listen, and if there is red hot anger out there, we've got to actually take that on board,” he said.

Friday's comments come a day after Mr Barilaro told NSW Parliament the policy was still not yet a “final decision” and would be reviewed by the government’s powerful expenditure review committee which analyses the costs and benefits of budget items.

But Mr Barilaro said he believed most voters would be persuaded of the need to rebuild the stadiums and until a business case on the projects was delivered in coming weeks there was no basis on which they should be dumped.

“At this stage, if those business cases come in and they tick those boxes, the government will have to make an announcement on its next stage,” he said.

The state government has signed a memorandum of understanding with the NRL that the stadiums will be redeveloped and the league has warned reneging on the deal could lead to the relocation of the code's grand final to Queensland.

However senior sources in both parties say the stadium spend has created concerns the government may be perceived by some voters as preoccupied with metropolitan projects.

A majority of the government’s most marginal seats, including Mr Barilaro’s own seat of Monaro, are in regional NSW and held by the Nationals.

The Nationals are also hoping to win back the seat of Orange, lost in a landslide in 2016, in the government's bid for a third term in 2019.

Government sources have also questioned whether the projects will meet the government’s own test for building critical infrastructure: that it deliver at least one dollar in economic benefit for every dollar spent.

But the Premier has refused to rule out dumping the policy if it falls short, saying governments commit to projects for reasons other than financial benefits.

Before being promoted to cabinet Mr Barilaro was an outspoken critic of the government’s 2015 centrepiece election policy: the privatisation of the state’s electricity networks.

Some Liberal backbenchers have openly expressed doubts about the stadium plans including former fair trading minister Matthew Mason-Cox, who said it was difficult to justify spending so much on sporting institutions when the state’s child-protection system was under-resourced.
 

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