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Nathan Cleary Contract extension.

OldPanther

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Revelations that Penrith have begun discussing a reported $3 million, five-year extension for 19-year-old playmaker Nathan Cleary pricked ears this week.

As recently as 12 months ago, the youngster already touted as NSW’s next great halfback hope re-committed to the Panthers until the end of 2019.

In the process he opted against keeping a get-out clause that would allow him to follow his dad to a rival club, and in May said he would “definitely consider” a career deal if Penrith brought one to the table.

Gould, the club’s general manager, admits “it’s very dangerous to contract players beyond the norm — three and four-years is usually a long-term contract.” But the Panthers are so sure of Cleary realising his prodigious potential, they’re wary of a rival outfit ‘doing a Ben Hunt’ and poaching the young star after years of being developed at the foot of the mountains.

“It comes down to a player like Nathan Cleary who plays in such an important position,” Gould said on Channel Nine’s Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

“He’s a goalkicking halfback and obviously a representative player of the future.

“The club have put a number of years into him — Nathan came into our halfback program at 14 years of age, he’s been there six years already.

“He’s a big a part of the future so I guess it’s about protecting investment already made and making sure the club has a franchise player for a long period of time.

“If another club was to come and do a Ben Hunt on the Panthers and take away their halfback after 10 years of investment, 10 years of hard work into the player, it wouldn’t be fair on the club. “The club’s got to protect itself with a player of this stature.

“You’ve got to be able to protect your asset. It’s important (Penrith) never lose a Nathan Cleary.

“He’s a player that can make this club over the next decade.” Gould’s reference to Hunt, who will join the Dragons on over $1 million a season next year after over a decade in the Brisbane system, speaks to the other long term play kicked about this week.

Wayne Bennett’s desire to lure Broncos junior Ash Taylor back from the Titans when he becomes a free agent from November 1.

Having reluctantly released Taylor two years ago because he was ready for first grade, but stuck behind the 2015 grand final scrumbase of Hunt and Anthony Milford, Bennett will now have to buy back the farm to secure the 22-year-old.

Taylor’s value on the open market — with the natural inflation from an increased salary cap — is tipped to top seven figures based on the reported Titans three-year, $3 million retention package.

It’s the price someone, somewhere will pay for Johnathan Thurston’s Queensland successor, and Bennett speaks for both Neil Henry and their 14 contemporaries when he says: “I’d be silly not to try and bring Ash Taylor back.”

All of which makes a reported average of $600,000 a year serious unders for Cleary, provided of course he delivers. No agent worth his seven-percent of salt could let that one slide, but there would be little harm in letting at least another 12 months pass before talking serious brass taxes.

On current form, Cleary is only going to send his asking price one way.

As Gould says of his star half: “He is foolproof. He comes from a great family, a footballing family; he’s been in the system a long time.

“There is no drink, there’s no drugs, there’s no party (mentality). This kid is a true professional.

“… All the things that could affect a player’s future, he’s got none of that. He’s got no potential problems down the track other than injury, but you always take that gamble.”

The NRL’s two most significant long-term deals of late have been the ‘lifetime’ contracts offered to Jason Taumalolo and Daly Cherry-Evans.

Both were negotiated under free agency, with Cherry-Evans backflipping on the Gold Coast and Taumalolo backing away from a crack at the NFL.

With Cleary, Gould and Penrith are getting an early start in a dangerous game, before it backs them into a corner.
 

Blues Riff

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Here's an anti-Penrith spin on the story from "the Roar".

http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/08/03/ivan-trump-panthers-art-deal/

"Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary should make his teenage son Nathan an offer he cannot refuse to sign with the Wests Tigers when his contract runs out at the Panthers, the club that unceremoniously dumped him when head coach in 2015.

The Panthers believe that they “discovered” young Nathan and have developed him in their system since he was 14, but the fact is that he was really discovered by his father when he was born 20 years ago next November, and has been nurtured by the former “coach of the year” ever since.

If anybody deserves to have the services of the exciting half it is his dad.

Sentiment is only a very small factor when it comes to signing rugby league players, and the coach and the club does not play as big a role as many think it should; if it did, then every player would want to sign with the Storm.

The fact is, the players agent generally is the greatest influence and has enormous power in the negotiations that encompass the price and which club they play with.

Most players have not read Donald Trumps’ The Art of the Deal and are just happy to trust their agent to do the best deal in their interests.

The Panthers did not realise that when they head hunted Ivan Cleary to leave the New Zealand Warriors and coach their NRL team in 2012 that they would also get a hidden gem as a bonus as Ivan arrived at Penrith and signed his 14-year-old son up as a local junior. It did not take long before the “son of a gun” started tongues wagging, and he found himself playing at NRL level by the time he was 18.

The Panthers made what must have been a calculated bet to sack Ivan in 2015 after he had completed the hard yards and cleaned out the “dead wood” as part of the club’s well publicised five-year plan. The risk was always the chance of upsetting young Nathan, but with no NRL jobs available for his dad until he signed with the Wests Tigers for the 2017 season, he re-signed an updated Panthers contract with the promise to play NRL in 2016.

Nathan had a stunning rookie season and 2017 has been even better, in fact it has been that good that the Panthers have been forced to start working on yet another contract; this time for five years.

The vultures are circling and the wolfs are barking; this is a nervous time for the Panthers as they scurry to secure their champion young half back long term as he is being compared to club legend ‘Brandy’ Alexander.

News Limited reported that “Penrith have started negotiations with Nathan Cleary over a massive five-year $3 million contract extension to keep him at the club until 2024.”

Paul Kent said on NRL 360: “I think its unders”.

$3 million over five years is $600,000 a year which is astonishing money for a teenager still eating Weetbix with his mum and dad.

The fact is quality young halfbacks in NSW are as scarce as a Panther drinking from the Nepean, and Nathan Cleary happens to also be an 85 per cent goal kicker and looks destined to be the highest points scorer in the NRL this season and may be the youngest ever to hit the 200 points mark in a single year.

Kenty is correct, it’s unders. In fact, it is gross unders.

Even though Ivan Cleary has every right to want to exact some revenge on the club that kicked him out, he is passive by nature and just got on with life as his son progressed at his old club without him.

That said, Ivan is an experienced NRL coach who will know exactly what a future Origin half is worth on the market, and will also know that the Panthers will consider they should deserve to be on the low end of market value as they developed Nathan.

There is no doubt that Ivan should have a crack at signing his son, but to protect both father and son from any “insider trading” innuendo, someone at the Wests Tigers needs to assume ‘The Art of the Deal’.

The deal should be straight out of Donald Trump’s top drawer and by offering “market value” young Nathan should switch from a Panther to a Tiger.

Market value for an organising goal kicking half who is close to playing for the NSW Blues is $1m.

The ‘art’ in the deal should be over ten years and be worth $10m.

That’s what the Donald would do".

Fkn Tosser.
 

betcats

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If you follow him on instagram or listened to his recent post match interviews you will have seen how stoked he has been to be playing with a bunch of the 2015 nyc lads "a dream come true" etc, no club can offer him that chance and most cant offer him the facilities we have. Gus has a way with these kids so I think he will be signed up before long. If he tests the market it will be after this next deal.

Whoever wrote that article is clearly a moron, they are trying to insinuate Gus is doing something wrong by seeking the best deal for the club, its called good business. Getting a player to sign for unders is an accomplishment.
 
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OldPanther

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His age will bring his price down a little. Generally it's said a half's best football is after 27 so he'll still get big money down the track.
 
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MrBlack

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I think people are forgetting how young he is.

A 5 year deal would end with him at the tender age of 25. Probably at the very prime of his career.

It is the contract he signs then that will be a massive pay day.

If he signs this one then he can concentrate on his footy for the next 5 years and not worry about a contract.

Penrith are now showing signs of being a very good development club. He will be playing with players and coaches he is used to and comfortable with. The perfect environment to further develop.
 

OldPanther

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I think people are forgetting how young he is.

A 5 year deal would end with him at the tender age of 25. Probably at the very prime of his career.

It is the contract he signs then that will be a massive pay day.

If he signs this one then he can concentrate on his footy for the next 5 years and not worry about a contract.

Penrith are now showing signs of being a very good development club. He will be playing with players and coaches he is used to and comfortable with. The perfect environment to further develop.

Pretty much the point I was making. 600k a year is a lot of money for anyone that age. He'll also play origin within those 5 years. That's $90,000 a year on top of his contract bringing his value closer to 700k a year.
 

Devilous

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And if he turns into the Superstar we hope, the club will offer him an upgraded contract well before that one ends anyway. I say sign it now and then if he continues on his development ask for more money a couple years down the track. It's what every player does these days anyway, contracts don't mean much.
 
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OldPanther

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Here's an anti-Penrith spin on the story from "the Roar".

http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/08/03/ivan-trump-panthers-art-deal/

"Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary should make his teenage son Nathan an offer he cannot refuse to sign with the Wests Tigers when his contract runs out at the Panthers, the club that unceremoniously dumped him when head coach in 2015.

The Panthers believe that they “discovered” young Nathan and have developed him in their system since he was 14, but the fact is that he was really discovered by his father when he was born 20 years ago next November, and has been nurtured by the former “coach of the year” ever since.

If anybody deserves to have the services of the exciting half it is his dad.

Sentiment is only a very small factor when it comes to signing rugby league players, and the coach and the club does not play as big a role as many think it should; if it did, then every player would want to sign with the Storm.

The fact is, the players agent generally is the greatest influence and has enormous power in the negotiations that encompass the price and which club they play with.

Most players have not read Donald Trumps’ The Art of the Deal and are just happy to trust their agent to do the best deal in their interests.

The Panthers did not realise that when they head hunted Ivan Cleary to leave the New Zealand Warriors and coach their NRL team in 2012 that they would also get a hidden gem as a bonus as Ivan arrived at Penrith and signed his 14-year-old son up as a local junior. It did not take long before the “son of a gun” started tongues wagging, and he found himself playing at NRL level by the time he was 18.

The Panthers made what must have been a calculated bet to sack Ivan in 2015 after he had completed the hard yards and cleaned out the “dead wood” as part of the club’s well publicised five-year plan. The risk was always the chance of upsetting young Nathan, but with no NRL jobs available for his dad until he signed with the Wests Tigers for the 2017 season, he re-signed an updated Panthers contract with the promise to play NRL in 2016.

Nathan had a stunning rookie season and 2017 has been even better, in fact it has been that good that the Panthers have been forced to start working on yet another contract; this time for five years.

The vultures are circling and the wolfs are barking; this is a nervous time for the Panthers as they scurry to secure their champion young half back long term as he is being compared to club legend ‘Brandy’ Alexander.

News Limited reported that “Penrith have started negotiations with Nathan Cleary over a massive five-year $3 million contract extension to keep him at the club until 2024.”

Paul Kent said on NRL 360: “I think its unders”.

$3 million over five years is $600,000 a year which is astonishing money for a teenager still eating Weetbix with his mum and dad.

The fact is quality young halfbacks in NSW are as scarce as a Panther drinking from the Nepean, and Nathan Cleary happens to also be an 85 per cent goal kicker and looks destined to be the highest points scorer in the NRL this season and may be the youngest ever to hit the 200 points mark in a single year.

Kenty is correct, it’s unders. In fact, it is gross unders.

Even though Ivan Cleary has every right to want to exact some revenge on the club that kicked him out, he is passive by nature and just got on with life as his son progressed at his old club without him.

That said, Ivan is an experienced NRL coach who will know exactly what a future Origin half is worth on the market, and will also know that the Panthers will consider they should deserve to be on the low end of market value as they developed Nathan.

There is no doubt that Ivan should have a crack at signing his son, but to protect both father and son from any “insider trading” innuendo, someone at the Wests Tigers needs to assume ‘The Art of the Deal’.

The deal should be straight out of Donald Trump’s top drawer and by offering “market value” young Nathan should switch from a Panther to a Tiger.

Market value for an organising goal kicking half who is close to playing for the NSW Blues is $1m.

The ‘art’ in the deal should be over ten years and be worth $10m.

That’s what the Donald would do".

Fkn Tosser.

I just read the comments on the article. I can't believe how dumb people's bias sounds. I hope I'm not like that with the Panthers.
 

Blues Riff

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Who wrote that article on the Roar...my god what a steaming pile of shit that was.
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It just seems a funny time to be doing this. He's signed until the end of 2019. No-one else is supposed to talk to him. The side are pushing towards the finals. Off season seems like a better time, or maybe when training re-starts.
 

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It just seems a funny time to be doing this. He's signed until the end of 2019. No-one else is supposed to talk to him. The side are pushing towards the finals. Off season seems like a better time, or maybe when training re-starts.
Augustine Gould is worried he will be poached
And he should be too.
 

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