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Phil Hughes - When do we drop him?

When do we drop Phil Hughes from the test side


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Jason Maher

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Hughes is doing a lot better playing against nuffies than any of our other nuffies who might be picked ahead of him.
 

Twizzle

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looks like we expect pin up boy to struggle in India

Phillip Hughes set to miss final three ODIs against Wests Indies to begin preparing for India: report
By Staff Writers FOX SPORTS January 28, 2013 10:18AM


Early exit ... Phil Hughes will miss the final three ODIs to board an early flight to India. Source: Michael Klein / News Limited

In-form Australia batsman Phillip Hughes will miss next week's one-day international against the West Indies at Manuka Oval to begin preparations for next month's tour of India.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Hughes is expected to play in the first two fixtures of the series in Perth, before being pulled out to board a flight to India on Thursday week.

He will be joined by Test specialists Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, Jackson Bird and James Pattinson.

It means Hughes will not be available for matches in Canberra, Sydney and Melbourne.

The 24-year-old has not played an international match on the subcontinent and team management are understood to be keen for he and other members of the Test squad to spend as much time as possible adjusting to the unfamiliar conditions.

Hughes was arguably Australia's best player in the drawn series against Sri Lanka and has stamped himself as a key cog in the top order after scoring two match-winning centuries in his first five matches.



Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...rt/story-fn2mcu3x-1226563304336#ixzz2JDtclXUH
 

TheParraboy

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Have to ask the question again

When do we drop him?

Doesnt get picked to play against South Africa cause selectors wanted to hide him from quality bowling. Scores runs vs a feeble SL outfit. Now struggling in india. Poms will eat him alive
 

Earl

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He gets the second test match by default.

I feel the top order will stay intact. Surely we are only one more feeble collapse away from someone being made scapegoat though. I daresay Hughes will want to improve on his average of 3 unless he wants to be sent packing.
 

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From what we saw in the first test he had a lot of trouble with his defence, but what bothered me was his inability to score runs.

He never looked like getting runs in the short time he occupied the crease, so the chances of him playing a long innings seem pretty remote and if he does it probably wont be much more that a run an over.
 

Earl

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All our players except Michael Clarke are so focused on nothing but survival against the spinners that scoring runs is not even in their minds
 
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Cowan should go before Hughes. Cowan is just a selfish and usless player who throws his wicket away contrary to the opinion that he values it. He has a terrible conversion rate for 100's.. Basically done it once. Hughes at least has done enough this summer to deserve a few more shots. Cowan barring his century in the first test back in November has done dick all.
 

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While he has done little to contribute, who else has put there hand up in the top 6 excluding Michael Clarke?

There is 0 centuries between David Warner, Shane Watson, Phil Hughes and Ed Cowan since the Sth Africa series yet Cowan should be made the scapegoat?

Cowan at least looked more comfortable than some of our other players against the spinners.
 
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While he has done little to contribute, who else has put there hand up in the top 6 excluding Michael Clarke?

There is 0 centuries between David Warner, Shane Watson, Phil Hughes and Ed Cowan since the Sth Africa series yet Cowan should be made the scapegoat?

Cowan at least looked more comfortable than some of our other players against the spinners.

True but at least those other guys can reach half centuries. Cowan struggles to get past 30.
 

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Yes, but your argument was that Cowan doesn't convert starts into 100's.

I get your point and I don't necessarily disagree that Cowan should be dropped. I'm just saying that his efforts over the last 6 months compared to the other batsmen still playing Test Cricket are no worse.
 

oldmancraigy

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I reckon Sean Marsh and Phil Hughes are the opposites.

Marsh looks composed, technically correct and calm. But can't get past a 35 average in shield cricket, nor make a century to save his life.

Hughes looks like a hypo kid whose bat is too heavy and score without nicking it. But he's 6 years younger than Marsh, has almost twice as many FC runs (at a nice average) and peels off centuries like nobodies business.

Bunniesman being an idiot is a given. But if we all put him on ignore, I think Phil Hughes would be much easier to like.

Let him have a couple of bad digs where he looks like a moron, because he can make 100s, and 100s win you games. Only Clarke has scored more test centuries than him. I reckon we need to give him at least until the end of this series (preferably to the end of the Ashes) to see if his freakish century making ability at FC level translates to the test arena.
If it does, he'll only be 25 and with 10 years ahead of him at the top level.
If it doesn't, no big deal, it's not like Cowan or Watson or Wade are scoring more runs than him in the top 6 anyway...
 
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Yes, but your argument was that Cowan doesn't convert starts into 100's.

I get your point and I don't necessarily disagree that Cowan should be dropped. I'm just saying that his efforts over the last 6 months compared to the other batsmen still playing Test Cricket are no worse.

Well I pose you a simple question, when has a Cowan score made a difference to a test match? When has his runs contributed to a big innings be it 1st or 2nd dig? He hasn't. Even when he scored his only 100, Clarke made 200 and Hussey made a 100 as well. Point is if Cowan is just going to be making these 30 odd runs per innings, then give someone younger a go. There is no harm in thrusting a Burns, Khawaja, Bailey, Doolan etc into the mix. They'll all be able to make Cowan's stock 30 and most likely then some.

Even as a state player he never really looked on top of the chart, never really looked like being ahead of the pack. It was all timing that got him his baggy green and he hasn't in my opinion made the most of his opportunity. In 14/15 tests he hasn't showed anything that Marsh, North couldn't do and that's where the bigger problem lies. Yes, he is a protected species and yes some think that his private schooling has made him one of the more intelligent players in the squad. I think that's all bullshit. He looks confused both in the middle and outside it.

Time for him to move on. Get Hughes back up to opening or Watson, bring in someone else and lets move forward.
 

HevyDevy

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Have to ask the question again

When do we drop him?

Doesnt get picked to play against South Africa cause selectors wanted to hide him from quality bowling. Scores runs vs a feeble SL outfit. Now struggling in india. Poms will eat him alive

Well he had a poor test match, but then he did cop a wicked delivery in the second innings. There are about 6 blokes I would drop before Hughes.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e-from-hyderabad/story-e6frg6n6-1226590017226

Phil Hughes faces Test axe yet again after scoring duck against India in Hyderabad

by: Peter Badel
From: News Limited Network
March 04, 2013 11:35PM


EMBATTLED Phil Hughes risks being dropped for the third time in his career after his latest duck left Australia on the brink of an embarrassing innings defeat in the second Test against India.

At stumps on day three, Australia (2-74) are going down the gurgler, still trailing by 192 runs after India's innings of mass destruction finally ended at 503 at Rajiv Gandhi Stadium.

First-Test tormentor Ravi Ashwin struck twice in the final session, bowling David Warner (26) and Hughes (0) around their legs to leave Ed Cowan (26) and Shane Watson (9) fighting in the Hyderabad furnace.

Classy Indian No.3 Cheteshwar Pujara, who crunched a sublime 204 yesterday, turned up the heat, saying the tourists needed to be mentally tougher to succeed on the sub-continent.

"They need to apply themselves," he said.

"They don't know how to go about the turning tracks. They know their strengths and we are trying to find out their weaknesses.

"So far we have been successful so our spinners have to continue with what they are doing."

Today is D-Day for Australia's batsmen. Perform, and they might pull off Mission Impossible and save this Test.
Perish, and some careers may go bust before the Ashes.

Hughes is fast perishing. In his third incarnation as a Test batsman, the 24-year-old impressed against Sri Lanka last summer but he is struggling to cope with the suffocating walls of spin in his maiden series on Indian soil.

Coming to the crease at 1-56, Hughes lasted just nine balls before he played on attempting to sweep Ashwin.

The pint-sized left-hander now has scores of 6, 0, 19 and 0 at an average of 6.25 at the mid-point of this four-Test series.

And while the size of the 16-man touring party may save Hughes for the third Test, his hopes of being retained for the Ashes in June are diminishing with every failure.

The former NSW opener has already been dropped twice in his Test career. Australia's selectors will be reluctant to order a third demotion, for they would fear Hughes may never be back.

But in the data-rabid game that is cricket, every batsman knows their indisputable currency is runs, and plenty of them.

Hughes is simply not getting enough.

He spent the winter re-shaping his technique to open up leg-side scoring options but the reality is Hughes has not looked comfortable employing strategies to combat spin on Indian decks.

As he trudged back to the pavilion yesterday, his Test average had dropped to 33.25 from 22 Tests. Since his return, he has managed scores of 86 and 87 against Sri Lanka, but the Test ton he is craving with his beefed-up style still beckons.

If the Australians are to have any hope of reclaiming the Ashes, they need solidity, consistency and durability in all conditions from their No.3.

Not that Hughes has been Robinson Crusoe on this tour.

The brilliance of Michael Clarke aside, the top four of Cowan, Warner, Hughes and Watson have all under-performed. Of their 12 collective innings before the second dig yesterday, just one, Warner's flaky 59 in Chennai, has yielded a half-century.

To underline the profligate batting, Australia has slumped to 3-126, 3-65, 4-63 and 2-56 in their first four outings this series. Before yesterday, Clarke had contributed 29.3 per cent _ almost a third _ of Australia's runs.

It was a mixed day for the Australians yesterday, with besieged spinners Glenn Maxwell (4-121) and Xavier Doherty (3-131) bouncing back from their day-two mauling to earn a scintilla of credibility.

At 1-387, India looked like scoring 700. But Test debutant Maxwell and Doherty claimed seven wickets yesterday as the hosts lost 7-103 in the middle session to leave Australia's batsmen staring at Mt Everest.

Doherty, who also took two fine catches yesterday to help remove MS Dhoni and Pujara, conceded Australia face an uphill battle to avert a 2-0 series deficit.

"We came in today knowing we were up against it and we needed to put in a better day than yesterday to eventually knock them over," he said.

"Today we took nine for 190 or something like that (9-192), which was a pleasing effort.

"But the damage was done yesterday so there's still a lot of work for us to do to get ourselves back into the game."

Doherty said he was relieved to finish with three wickets after figures of 0-124 from 42 overs at one stage.

"It was starting to look that way (like he would go wicketless)," he said.

"Things just didn't seem to be going my way.

"I was trying to work out my Test bowling average there at one stage because I came into the game at a hundred (three wickets at 102 in two matches).

"In the last five or six overs, it was just more pleasing how the ball started to come out. It did take a while for it to take a bit of rhythm.

"To get a couple of wickets was nice as well."

Australia can learn lessons from India's top-order. Murali Vijay (167) and Cheteshwar Pujara (204) provided the perfect Test-match template, batting with patience then panache and finally power to grind Australia into the Hyderabad dust.

Vijay and Pujara's second-wicket stand of 370 was the third-highest partnership against any Australian team in Test cricket's 136-year history.

After lunch, India collapsed, enabling Doherty and Maxwell to hit back.

The tourists will wake today determined to move mountains.

But with 192 runs still to knock off, Australia, climbing Everest, are in the death zone.
 

firechild

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I was discussing this with a mate after his impressive return on home soil. He seems to run the same pattern each time. He comes into the side, scores a lot of runs and then his form drops and he has a string of single digits. Selectors persevere because of his good previous form and let him go too long. He goes back to domestic cricket, dominates and gets a test recall. Rinse, repeat. My mate was convinced that this time would be different but alas...leopards...spots...
 
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