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Why would I?? you are the one who is using the lables not me...

take a look at your posts and add up the insults.

No... not a single NZer agreed with you... one agreed that McCaw was an embarresment because he was a "metrosexual".. his Haka ability was not bought into it.. In that you are alone... EVERYBODY who knows anything about Kapa Haka has stated you are wrong... are you going to lie about that now too?

Their prerogative. To me those two look like knobs. You're going to have to be able to deal with different opinions as you go through life and, hopefully, get ahead.

Again about the only thing you are good at... deflecting from your non existant argument.

No deflection, just debate.

Another blatent falsehood... you cant even keep your lies straight... One poster expressed an opinion that the All Blacks Haka was better and one said the All Blacks was better PURELY on a technical basis.... thats it...
bullsh*t.... in the first instantance it was used as a defense for your attack on The All Blacks Haka.. for this post of yours

There you go with your labels again - oh but I forgot, I'm the one who's the labeller, not you. I have been consistent in my (a) thoughts that McCaw and Williams look like penises when doing the haka; (b) opinion that the AB haka is more aggressive than the match that will follow it.

To anybody who knows Kapa Haka that is an offensive post... had you not posted that any All Blacks haka refernce and any "implicit attack" on the Kiws would not have happened.... and you have yet to show where any poster has attcked the Kiwis success at all... because it didnt happen... you lieing again.

So you are now the oracle, the mouthpiece of everyone in the world who watches the haka? And all of those people think McCaw and Williams look ace? None of them may cringe with embarrassment, as I do, when they see them doing it? Your arrogance is impressive.

If that was all you posted.. as i have shown above, that ISNT all you posted.

See above, I have been extremely consistent.

That is irrelevant, i could care less that you think that is the case
I am not the one using Nazi lables in this thread... that was you and you alone.

You are very desperate, come on, admit it. You looked up the word online and found out that - conveniently sweeping etymology aside - it had been used in Nazi ideology. By your blinkered rationale, therefore, any word in German is a heinous part of the National Socialist lexicon unless it wasn't in use then. So Mikhael Ballack is ok.

You have distorted the 'debate', for want of a better word, to include the Nazis and nothing short of an attack on Maori culture! Totally irrational, totally limited.

 

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take a look at your posts and add up the insults.
Their prerogative. To me those two look like knobs. You're going to have to be able to deal with different opinions as you go through life and, hopefully, get ahead.

I will repeat it again, since you keep ignoring it, thinking they look like penises doing the Haka is your perogative, sprouting about it attacks the Haka, since they are doing the Haka as it should be done you are attacking the integrity of the Haka and therfore Maori culture.. Your view that Luke is amazing at the Haka and williams is a penis when thay are essentially doing the same thing, because one is Maori and one is not attacks the integrity of the Haka and is offensive to Maori and Pakeha alike.... its that simple.

There you go with your labels again - oh but I forgot, I'm the one who's the labeller, not you.

No, i said you are the one using Nazi labels.

I have been consistent in my (a) thoughts that McCaw and Williams look like penises when doing the haka; (b) opinion that the AB haka is more aggressive than the match that will follow it.

bullsh*t again... first you said the All Blacks Haka vs. Wales was sh*t, then you said no it wasnt it was just Williams and McCaw.

So you are now the oracle, the mouthpiece of everyone in the world who watches the haka? And all of those people think McCaw and Williams look ace? None of them may cringe with embarrassment, as I do, when they see them doing it? Your arrogance is impressive.

They very well may cringe in embarresment, but YOU are ALONE in sprouting it... Maori however, especially those who have done Kapa Haka wont be cringing

You are very desperate, come on, admit it. You looked up the word online and found out that - conveniently sweeping etymology aside - it had been used in Nazi ideology. By your blinkered rationale, therefore, any word in German is a heinous part of the National Socialist lexicon unless it wasn't in use then. So Mikhael Ballack is ok.

Of course i looked it up... i dont know german... the first 10 pages that came up stated it was a central theme of Nazi ideology... since you have stated how much you hate something, Rugby in this case, its not that big a leap.

 

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I will repeat it again, since you keep ignoring it, thinking they look like penises doing the Haka is your perogative, sprouting about it attacks the Haka, since they are doing the Haka as it should be done you are attacking the integrity of the Haka and therfore Maori culture.. Your view that Luke is amazing at the Haka and williams is a penis when thay are essentially doing the same thing, because one is Maori and one is not attacks the integrity of the Haka and is offensive to Maori and Pakeha alike.... its that simple.

Good morning.

Selective referencing, once again. Why did I say the haka was embarrassing v Wales? I was specific: because of the Sergio Leone-style stand-off that followed it i.e. not the actions of the haka itself (which is what you're inferring, in your post).

So my ridiculing of Wales's Mexican stand off is a direct attack on the inviolabilty of the haka? Again, you're clutching at straws as your argument is pathetic, precious and disproportionate. You know it; I know it...but now you've accused me of attacking Maori culture you're desperate to convince yourself it's true.

EDIT: I just noticed your first line: so thinking the two penises look like penises is my prerogative, but actually saying it isn't!!?? Jesus, who made you the law? At least you've admitted I'm allowed to think they look like knobs. Next you must admit my right to say so.

No, i said you are the one using Nazi labels.

Clearly the act of a desperate man: from debating the haka you've called me a Nazi and an attacker of the entire Maori culture. Desperate and irrational.

bullsh*t again... first you said the All Blacks Haka vs. Wales was sh*t, then you said no it wasnt it was just Williams and McCaw.

Again, you're absolutely lying here. I referred to why I think the AB's haka in general is bad (penises, lollipopers, Williams, McCaw etc etc) and then I specifically referred to Wales's rubbish stand off. Learn to read, please, if you're going to get all irate, and don't put words into other people's mouths.

I only referred to that particular haka about once IIRC, all my other posts were generally concerning Williams and McCaw looking like penises. I haven't changed that opinion for all your proselytising.

They very well may cringe in embarresment, but YOU are ALONE in sprouting it... Maori however, especially those who have done Kapa Haka wont be cringing

There you go again speaking for every Maori in the world. So you're convinced that there's not one Maori who thinks these two look like penises when doing the haka? Of course you've dug yourself into a hole now and so can't admit the possibility, so carry on defending the indefensible.

Of course i looked it up... i dont know german... the first 10 pages that came up stated it was a central theme of Nazi ideology... since you have stated how much you hate something, Rugby in this case, its not that big a leap.

SO hating rugby union is 'not that big a leap' from being a nazi sympathiser? Oh the irony!

Like I said, you conveniently swept etymology aside as you were desperate to attack me, and you brought up the Nazis - the greatest act of the truly desperate on a forum. When in doubt, sling Nazi mud!

 

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Good morning.

Selective referencing, once again. Why did I say the haka was embarrassing v Wales? I was specific: because of the Sergio Leone-style stand-off that followed it i.e. not the actions of the haka itself (which is what you're inferring, in your post).

Selected referencing? what a crock of sh*t... I INCLUDED your post... as you posted it... or are you denying what I quoted is what you posted now??? here it is again "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t. "
THAT is an attack on the ay they do the Haka, as they are doing the haka AS IT SHOULD BE you are attacking a major piece of Maori heritage.

So my ridiculing of Wales's Mexican stand off is a direct attack on the inviolabilty of the haka? Again, you're clutching at straws as your argument is pathetic, precious and disproportionate. You know it; I know it...but now you've accused me of attacking Maori culture you're desperate to convince yourself it's true.

Just because you are ignorant doesnt make it untrue... you did attack Maori culture by attacking a Haka done correctly.

Clearly the act of a desperate man: from debating the haka you've called me a Nazi and an attacker of the entire Maori culture. Desperate and irrational.

I didnt call you a Nazi i asked you why you labeled me with the term twice.. as yet you havent answered.

Again, you're absolutely lying here. I referred to why I think the AB's haka in general is bad (penises, lollipopers, Williams, McCaw etc etc) and then I specifically referred to Wales's rubbish stand off. Learn to read, please, if you're going to get all irate, and don't put words into other people's mouths.

And now you are calling them lollipopers??? now you are being defamatory???... So why does Williams look like a penis and Luke doesnt? when they essentially do the same thing?? is it purely racial???

There you go again speaking for every Maori in the world. So you're convinced that there's not one Maori who thinks these two look like penises when doing the haka? Of course you've dug yourself into a hole now and so can't admit the possibility, so carry on defending the indefensible.

All Maori on here agree with me... how about you find one who doesnt to prove me wrong.

SO hating rugby union is 'not that big a leap' from being a nazi sympathiser? Oh the irony!

No... unreasoned pure hatred is not a big leap to being a nazi sympathisier... how ever i didnt call you one.. i asked why you labeled me using term widely used in Nazi doctrine.

Like I said, you conveniently swept etymology aside as you were desperate to attack me, and you brought up the Nazis - the greatest act of the truly desperate on a forum. When in doubt, sling Nazi mud!

Deflection is all you are good at... you try and make up your total lack of any knowledge of Kapa Haka and Maori culture with deflection.

 

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Selected referencing? what a crock of sh*t... I INCLUDED your post... as you posted it... or are you denying what I quoted is what you posted now??? here it is again "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t. "
THAT is an attack on the ay they do the Haka, as they are doing the haka AS IT SHOULD BE you are attacking a major piece of Maori heritage.

Again, you're being selective. Why don't you re-print the whole of my post? I'll tell you why, because in that same post I go onto explain my specific statement - "...was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy" - by highlighting Wales's rubbish stand off post-haka.

Again, you are insanely trying to pool my clear and specific attack on McCaw and Williams (how consistent can I be?!) as a collective attack on Maoridom. If you want to stick to that, that's your choice. There's no point you repeating yourself ad nauseum because I've been consistent in my vituperate assault on the two penis impersonators and little else.

Just because you are ignorant doesnt make it untrue... you did attack Maori culture by attacking a Haka done correctly.

No I didn't, I attacked two individuals. If you choose to class that as an attack on an entire culture it's because you're desperate and irrational and mightily precious.

And in any case, in about my 2nd or 3rd post on the subject I admit my ignorance on Maori culture.

I didnt call you a Nazi i asked you why you labeled me with the term twice.. as yet you havent answered.

When you admit that it's a German word first, just like 'achtung', or 'panzer', or 'heere' or 'bahn' then I'll answer you (but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be answering here as you became incoherent the moment you brought up Nazis).

And now you are calling them lollipopers??? now you are being defamatory???... So why does Williams look like a penis and Luke doesnt? when they essentially do the same thing?? is it purely racial???

I called them lollipopers ages ago, keep up. For the record I have called them penises, twats and lollipopers.

Why the mock indignation? You have insulted me many times on this thread. Why are you outraged when other people use insulting terms but feel free to use them yourself? Just more proof of your irrational behaviour. You have dug yourself into a hole of outrage-ire-nazi name calling-culture assassination and now you have to stay there otherwise you'll look even more foolish than you do. I meanwhile, have been consistent, in mocking two individuals, the lack of aggression in a game of RU, and now you.

Are Maoris a race? Is the haka a Maori tradition?

All Maori on here agree with me... how about you find one who doesnt to prove me wrong.

How about you find a Maori from the Kiwi camp who proves you right.

So you don't admit there's a chance a Maori somewhere out there thinks they look stupid?

No... unreasoned pure hatred is not a big leap to being a nazi sympathisier... how ever i didnt call you one.. i asked why you labeled me using term widely used in Nazi doctrine.

Unreasoned? There's plenty of reason for my hatred of RU. You're getting more irrational than you have been already: so now I'm a maniacal, nazi sympathising, Maori hating so and so. Damn!

You brought up the nazis in a thread about the haka. That's pathetic and desperate and you know it, and if you had any cojones you'd admit it.

Deflection is all you are good at... you try and make up your total lack of any knowledge of Kapa Haka and Maori culture with deflection.

Unfortunately you're good at nothing on the evidence of this thread. I admitted very early on my lack of knowledge of the haka. I didn't realise that being honest and not knowing things was a crime.

 

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Again, you're being selective. Why don't you re-print the whole of my post? I'll tell you why, because in that same post I go onto explain my specific statement - "...was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy" - by highlighting Wales's rubbish stand off post-haka.
Again, you are insanely trying to pool my clear and specific attack on McCaw and Williams (how consistent can I be?!) as a collective attack on Maoridom. If you want to stick to that, that's your choice. There's no point you repeating yourself ad nauseum because I've been consistent in my vituperate assault on the two penis impersonators and little else.

And yet you still havent answered why McCaw and Williams look like penises when Luke doesnt... so far its only because they are white and Luck is Maori....

No I didn't, I attacked two individuals. If you choose to class that as an attack on an entire culture it's because you're desperate and irrational and mightily precious.

You attacked them for performing the Haka as it is supposed to be done therefore IT IS an attack on the Haka its as simple as that... no amount of your deflection can change that.

And in any case, in about my 2nd or 3rd post on the subject I admit my ignorance on Maori culture.

and yet you still dont get that by insulting the Haka you are insulting an aspect of Maori culture.

When you admit that it's a German word first, just like 'achtung', or 'panzer', or 'heere' or 'bahn' then I'll answer you (but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be answering here as you became incoherent the moment you brought up Nazis).

I have already told you why i bought it up... The first 10 returns in google state it is central theme to Nazi ideology.... why else would you insult someone in a language that hasnt been used in the thread previously???

I called them lollipopers ages ago, keep up. For the record I have called them penises, twats and lollipopers.

Why the mock indignation? You have insulted me many times on this thread. Why are you outraged when other people use insulting terms but feel free to use them yourself? Just more proof of your irrational behaviour. You have dug yourself into a hole of outrage-ire-nazi name calling-culture assassination and now you have to stay there otherwise you'll look even more foolish than you do. I meanwhile, have been consistent, in mocking two individuals, the lack of aggression in a game of RU, and now you.

I dont care if you believe there is a "lack of aggression" in Rugby.. i do care when you insult my culture by saying people look like penises in an aspect of that culture.

Are Maoris a race? Is the haka a Maori tradition?

Yes the Moari are a race... and yes the Haka is a Maori tradition.. so what???

How about you find a Maori from the Kiwi camp who proves you right.

So you don't admit there's a chance a Maori somewhere out there thinks they look stupid?

You are the one who has made the statement that not all Maori agree... prove it.

Unreasoned? There's plenty of reason for my hatred of RU. You're getting more irrational than you have been already: so now I'm a maniacal, nazi sympathising, Maori hating so and so. Damn!

You brought up the nazis in a thread about the haka. That's pathetic and desperate and you know it, and if you had any cojones you'd admit it.

Unfortunately you're good at nothing on the evidence of this thread. I admitted very early on my lack of knowledge of the haka. I didn't realise that being honest and not knowing things was a crime.

Making stuff up again??? i have not once called you a nazi sympathiser or maori hating... as i have said all along... by insulting the Haka yo uare insulting Maori culture... it is as simple as that... no amount of deflection by you can change that...

Now will you answer why Williams looks like a Penis while Luke does not?

 

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And yet you still havent answered why McCaw and Williams look like penises when Luke doesnt... so far its only because they are white and Luck is Maori....

Blimey, I made that clear in my first post! I said McCaw and Williams look like twats because they're trying to pull of extreme mannerisms that are synonymous with the haka, which is a Maori institution, and I think they, not the Maoris who do it, look stupid.

"You still haven't answered...etc" Jesus your need to argue with me has you twisting yourself in circles?

You attacked them for performing the Haka as it is supposed to be done therefore IT IS an attack on the Haka its as simple as that... no amount of your deflection can change that.

If I was attacking the haka I would be criticising the dance, not two individuals who do it, which is exactly what I've been doing for the last few days.

No amount of "it's as simple as that" by you will change anything. And as I have repeated, if you want to change an attack on two people as an attack on Maori culture, when you yourself have read I have lauded the Kiwis and Luke etc then it just goes to show how irrational your argument is.

You classify a person not sharing your opinion as 'deflection'.

and yet you still dont get that by insulting the Haka you are insulting an aspect of Maori culture.

How can I be insulting the haka when I've been complimentary towards it? I've been insulting to two people, the pacific nature of RU, and the laughable stand off by the Welsh.

I have already told you why i bought it up... The first 10 returns in google state it is central theme to Nazi ideology.... why else would you insult someone in a language that hasnt been used in the thread previously???

Look up the word 'panzer' on google. Is anyone who uses it a Nazi?

I dont care if you believe there is a "lack of aggression" in Rugby.. i do care when you insult my culture by saying people look like penises in an aspect of that culture.

If I think that Luke looks ace how can I be insulting Maori culture?

Yes the Moari are a race... and yes the Haka is a Maori tradition.. so what???

Because you asked me in your previous post whether my objection to Williams and McCaw but encouragement of Luke was racial.

I think a white South African doing a Zulu war dance would look stupid. You, no doubt, would classify that as an outrageous assault on the Zulu nation.

You are the one who has made the statement that not all Maori agree... prove it.

ha ha ha! So now I have to prove that "not all Maori agree". What a hoot. Do you actually realise what you're typing?

Making stuff up again??? i have not once called you a nazi sympathiser or maori hating... as i have said all along... by insulting the Haka yo uare insulting Maori culture... it is as simple as that... no amount of deflection by you can change that...

When I laud Maoris and the Maori nation how can I be insulting Maori culture? You are nuts.

Now will you answer why Williams looks like a Penis while Luke does not?

See above..

 

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Blimey, I made that clear in my first post! I said McCaw and Williams look like twats because they're trying to pull of extreme mannerisms that are synonymous with the haka, which is a Maori institution, and I think they, not the Maoris who do it, look stupid.

So it is purely racial... and that is offensive to everybody... The haka is all inclusive to the iwi, it does not preclude race.... I will state for the umpteenth time, in Maori Culture, going back as far as our history goes, insulting a Haka is insulting an iwi, insulting an individual or individuals doing the Haka is insulting an iwi. YOU are insulting an aspect of Maori culture.

If I was attacking the haka I would be criticising the dance, not two individuals who do it, which is exactly what I've been doing for the last few days.

No amount of "it's as simple as that" by you will change anything. And as I have repeated, if you want to change an attack on two people as an attack on Maori culture, when you yourself have read I have lauded the Kiwis and Luke etc then it just goes to show how irrational your argument is.

It makes no diffence that you have lauded Luke, bully for you. ou have still attacked and insulted Maori culture.

You classify a person not sharing your opinion as 'deflection'.

No.. i clasify a person deflecting as deflection... its what you have been doing.

How can I be insulting the haka when I've been complimentary towards it? I've been insulting to two people, the pacific nature of RU, and the laughable stand off by the Welsh.

You are a merkin.... but you are also intelligent..... See what i did there??

Look up the word 'panzer' on google. Is anyone who uses it a Nazi?

So then why did you use it? twice?

If I think that Luke looks ace how can I be insulting Maori culture?

Because you asked me in your previous post whether my objection to Williams and McCaw but encouragement of Luke was racial.

I think a white South African doing a Zulu war dance would look stupid. You, no doubt, would classify that as an outrageous assault on the Zulu nation.

If it is part of Zulu culture that attacking those who do it is an insult then yes... as i dont know Zulu culture then i cant comment... I DO know Maori culture so i am qualified to comment on whether its been insulted... you DONT.

ha ha ha! So now I have to prove that "not all Maori agree". What a hoot. Do you actually realise what you're typing?

You are the ne who made the claim... back it up.

When I laud Maoris and the Maori nation how can I be insulting Maori culture? You are nuts.
See above..

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.... but you know lots of big words.... See??? ...i did it again.

 

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So it is purely racial... and that is offensive to everybody... The haka is all inclusive to the iwi, it does not preclude race.... I will state for the umpteenth time, in Maori Culture, going back as far as our history goes, insulting a Haka is insulting an iwi, insulting an individual or individuals doing the Haka is insulting an iwi. YOU are insulting an aspect of Maori culture.

However many times you post precious, holier than thou defences towards a made up attack on Maori culture, you will not change the fact that I have been absolutely consistent in my attack on two people, the sport of RU and the Welsh stand off. You have been irrational to the extent that you are forced to feed your own ire and have been for several posts.

Nazis, cultural assassin, insults....all elements brought into this thread by you. A total drama queen.

It makes no diffence that you have lauded Luke, bully for you. ou have still attacked and insulted Maori culture.

See above. Only in your precious world of made up attacks and over-sensitivity.

I'm sure many in the Kiwis camp who consider themselves good, traditional Maori would feel insulted by the criticisms levelled at them by some on here.

No.. i clasify a person deflecting as deflection... its what you have been doing.

Rubbish. You haven't got the answers you want, you have included senstational themes into this thread and are so desperate you've lashed out repeatedly with crass suggestions.

You are a merkin.... but you are also intelligent..... See what i did there??

No.

So then why did you use it? twice?

Because I believe you are not as clever as, for some unknown reason, you think you are; and you insulted my intelligence before, among other insults, which amused me.

If it is part of Zulu culture that attacking those who do it is an insult then yes... as i dont know Zulu culture then i cant comment... I DO know Maori culture so i am qualified to comment on whether its been insulted... you DONT.

There you go getting all precious again. The point is whether someone has the right to claim people look silly or not. In your insane world they don't, in mine they do.

You are the ne who made the claim... back it up.

Back up the claim that not every single member of a race thinks the same? You can't even bring yourself to accept that it's highly improbable that every single Maori on this planet thinks the same! That's called insecurity, come on admit it: it's highly probable that some Maori think McCaw and Williams look like knobs.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.... but you know lots of big words.... See??? ...i did it again.

Did what? Proved you are being irrational again?

I think you're quite thick, mightily precious and probably insecure, but I wouldn't go as far as you have. But, as I have been saying for a while, it's your prerogative.

Just so we stick to topic, I will repeat myself for all the thousands and thousands of people who have been assiduously following this conversation: you are not prepared to admit that there are probably Maori out there who think McCaw and Williams look like penises? If there's just one Maori in the world who thinks they look like knobs then your argument is shown to be the bollocks that it is (and you know that but won't ever admit it).

Of course you can't admit this because (a) you're insecure, and (b) it would destroy your (absolutely rubbish) argument that I've attacked a bastion, a veritable pillar of Maori culture.

But for all your changing of topics, and bringing in other themes such as nazis and insults, this is the point and it's impossible for any rational human being to defend your indefensible position.

So, having said that, cue your continuing defence!

 

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However many times you post precious, holier than thou defences towards a made up attack on Maori culture, you will not change the fact that I have been absolutely consistent in my attack on two people, the sport of RU and the Welsh stand off. You have been irrational to the extent that you are forced to feed your own ire and have been for several posts.

Nazis, cultural assassin, insults....all elements brought into this thread by you. A total drama queen.

See above. Only in your precious world of made up attacks and over-sensitivity.

I'm sure many in the Kiwis camp who consider themselves good, traditional Maori would feel insulted by the criticisms levelled at them by some on here.

Rubbish. You haven't got the answers you want, you have included senstational themes into this thread and are so desperate you've lashed out repeatedly with crass suggestions.

No.

Because I believe you are not as clever as, for some unknown reason, you think you are; and you insulted my intelligence before, among other insults, which amused me.

There you go getting all precious again. The point is whether someone has the right to claim people look silly or not. In your insane world they don't, in mine they do.

Back up the claim that not every single member of a race thinks the same? You can't even bring yourself to accept that it's highly improbable that every single Maori on this planet thinks the same! That's called insecurity, come on admit it: it's highly probable that some Maori think McCaw and Williams look like knobs.

Did what? Proved you are being irrational again?

I think you're quite thick, mightily precious and probably insecure, but I wouldn't go as far as you have. But, as I have been saying for a while, it's your prerogative.

Just so we stick to topic, I will repeat myself for all the thousands and thousands of people who have been assiduously following this conversation: you are not prepared to admit that there are probably Maori out there who think McCaw and Williams look like penises? If there's just one Maori in the world who thinks they look like knobs then your argument is shown to be the bollocks that it is (and you know that but won't ever admit it).

Of course you can't admit this because (a) you're insecure, and (b) it would destroy your (absolutely rubbish) argument that I've attacked a bastion, a veritable pillar of Maori culture.

But for all your changing of topics, and bringing in other themes such as nazis and insults, this is the point and it's impossible for any rational human being to defend your indefensible position.

So, having said that, cue your continuing defence!

FMD... you are either think or acting thick to have a laugh... you are deflecting from my original and only point.

You .. asked how you could be attacking maori culture because in another post you lauded it... i gave the example of calling you a merkin and then saying you are intelligent... it is both lauding and attacking you... see its easily done.

But the single fact remains... you have attacked maori culture by attacking the Haka... You have no idea about Maori culture you have no idea about Kapa Haka and yet you still maintain you havent attacked it.

You attack the All Blacks Haka by saying "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t"except the haka it is being done correctly by them, so therefore you must think that "white fellas" doing the Haka is an embarressment. To Maori THAT is offensive and an attack on our culture.

Understand now?

 

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FMD... you are either think or acting thick to have a laugh... you are deflecting from my original and only point.

You .. asked how you could be attacking maori culture because in another post you lauded it... i gave the example of calling you a merkin and then saying you are intelligent... it is both lauding and attacking you... see its easily done.

But the single fact remains... you have attacked maori culture by attacking the Haka... You have no idea about Maori culture you have no idea about Kapa Haka and yet you still maintain you havent attacked it.

You attack the All Blacks Haka by saying "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t"except the haka it is being done correctly by them, so therefore you must think that "white fellas" doing the Haka is an embarressment. To Maori THAT is offensive and an attack on our culture.

Understand now?

I understand that you think it's an attack on Maori culture....but as I was not attacking Maori culture - just two fellas - then I maintain it isn't an attack on Maori culture....because, it isn't.

I attacked the AB haka specifically because of the two I've been attacking all along, and I added to it by laughing at the Welsh stand off.

You are being selective again: "so therefore you must think that "white fellas" doing the Haka is an embarressment". That's inferring I think all white people look stupid doing the haka when I've said no such thing...I said two people look stupid.

You know all this yet you continue to sit atop your high horse, dragging up nazis, inventing cultural assaults, acting all shocked when your two heroes are insulted (while at the same time freely using insults yourself), and REFUSING TO ACCEPT THE POSSIBILITY, NAY PROBABILITY, THAT SOME MAORI THINK MCCAW AND WILLIAMS LOOK LIKE PENISES.

"The single fact remain...." oh please. You're so irrational. There is no "fact" about an attack on Maori culture, just your holier than thou opinion. Like I said about 50 or so posts back, get a grip man.

 

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I understand that you think it's an attack on Maori culture....but as I was not attacking Maori culture - just two fellas - then I maintain it isn't an attack on Maori culture....because, it isn't.

I attacked the AB haka specifically because of the two I've been attacking all along, and I added to it by laughing at the Welsh stand off.

You are being selective again: "so therefore you must think that "white fellas" doing the Haka is an embarressment". That's inferring I think all white people look stupid doing the haka when I've said no such thing...I said two people look stupid.

You know all this yet you continue to sit atop your high horse, dragging up nazis, inventing cultural assaults, acting all shocked when your two heroes are insulted (while at the same time freely using insults yourself), and REFUSING TO ACCEPT THE POSSIBILITY, NAY PROBABILITY, THAT SOME MAORI THINK MCCAW AND WILLIAMS LOOK LIKE PENISES.

"The single fact remain...." oh please. You're so irrational. There is no "fact" about an attack on Maori culture, just your holier than thou opinion. Like I said about 50 or so posts back, get a grip man.

And yet you still dont get it... In Maori Culture... an Attack on the Sanctity of the Haka IS an attack on Maori..... That is a fact not an opinion... therefore you ARE attacking Maori culture, whether its your intention or not...

And how is it being selective when you state Williams looks like a Penis and Luke does not, when they BOTH perform do the same thing. The only difference is that Williams is White.

Whether any Maori think they look like Penises is irrelevant, they arent sprouting off about it, maybe its because they also know to do so would be attacking their culture.

 

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And yet you still dont get it... In Maori Culture... an Attack on the Sanctity of the Haka IS an attack on Maori..... That is a fact not an opinion... therefore you ARE attacking Maori culture, whether its your intention or not...

And how is it being selective when you state Williams looks like a Penis and Luke does not, when they BOTH perform do the same thing. The only difference is that Williams is White.

Whether any Maori think they look like Penises is irrelevant, they arent sprouting off about it, maybe its because they also know to do so would be attacking their culture.

OMG you have plumbed new depths of stupidity....really.

"And how is it being selective when you state Williams looks like a Penis and Luke does not, when they BOTH perform do the same thing. The only difference is that Williams is White."

So you think that any two people following roughly the same routine are indistinguishable, carbon copies? Jesus, how can you have the humility to keep writing such drivel?

I think Williams and McCaw look like penises. I do not think anyone else I have seen doing the haka does. That, Sir, is my right. Deal with it.

And every Maori in the world uses this forum? How do you know hundreds of them aren't laughing their right tits off whenever McCaw and Williams do their thang? You don't, but I can just imagine you going into cardiac arrest with the shock if you ever saw a Maori laughing at the dastardly duo.

 

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OMG you have plumbed new depths of stupidity....really.

"And how is it being selective when you state Williams looks like a Penis and Luke does not, when they BOTH perform do the same thing. The only difference is that Williams is White."

So you think that any two people following roughly the same routine are indistinguishable, carbon copies? Jesus, how can you have the humility to keep writing such drivel?

I think Williams and McCaw look like penises. I do not think anyone else I have seen doing the haka does. That, Sir, is my right. Deal with it.

And every Maori in the world uses this forum? How do you know hundreds of them aren't laughing their right tits off whenever McCaw and Williams do their thang? You don't, but I can just imagine you going into cardiac arrest with the shock if you ever saw a Maori laughing at the dastardly duo.

So its only McCaw and Williams??? then why write this? "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t" so Two is "loads" who "pretend they're Maoris" (sic)???? How can you not see that that is offensive to Maori??? or are you really that thick that you cant?

And you have yet to prove a SINGLE Maori thinks "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t"

 

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How do you know hundreds of them aren't laughing their right tits off whenever McCaw and Williams do their thang?

99% that i know are quite proud of the All Black captain performing the haka.
Its an honour for McCaw .
Ali Williams gives it all he's got which is also admired.

You are out of your depth screemy..

 

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So its only McCaw and Williams??? then why write this? "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t" so Two is "loads" who "pretend they're Maoris" (sic)???? How can you not see that that is offensive to Maori??? or are you really that thick that you cant?

And you have yet to prove a SINGLE Maori thinks "the RU haka is an embarrassment - which was this time catapaulted into the stratosphere of ignominy.Firstly it's always done by loads of white fellas who, like McCaw and Williams, pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t"

So you're pinning your entire argument on my flippant use of the word 'loads', even though it's mitigated in the next sentence by my citation of the very two people I've been insulting?

True, Maori is correct, and so I appreciate the (sic), a slip on my part.

Yes, I am that thick that I think two people look like penises/twats...because opinions on how people look is an acceptable gauge of intelligence.

I'm still waiting to hear your answer on these two points:

1. Do you maintain that all Maori think the same? And do you maintain that it's not probable that not one Maori thinks McCaw and Williams look stupid?

2. How can you maintain that it's impossible to distinguish between two people doing the haka (or any other base routine)?

You accuse me of deflection when you've been deflecting and ignoring to your heart's content. We both know I've been consistent while you have brought in new themes...that's what I call deflection.

 

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99% that i know are quite proud of the All Black captain performing the haka.
Its an honour for McCaw .
Ali Williams gives it all he's got which is also admired.

You are out of your depth screemy..

So 1% of the Maori you know might think he looks like a penis, and would you accept the notion that some Maori might think he looks like a penis?

I'm out of my depth arguing logic with your illogical, irrational chum? I think not.

 

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So 1% of the Maori you know might think he looks like a penis, and would you accept the notion that some Maori might think he looks like a penis?

I'm out of my depth arguing logic with your illogical, irrational chum? I think not.

So by your logic if you dont admire someone they look like a penis??? no wonder people think you are thick.

 

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So you're pinning your entire argument on my flippant use of the word 'loads', even though it's mitigated in the next sentence by my citation of the very two people I've been insulting?

True, Maori is correct, and so I appreciate the (sic), a slip on my part.

Yes, I am that thick that I think two people look like penises/twats...because opinions on how people look is an acceptable gauge of intelligence.

I'm still waiting to hear your answer on these two points:

1. Do you maintain that all Maori think the same? And do you maintain that it's not probable that not one Maori thinks McCaw and Williams look stupid?

2. How can you maintain that it's impossible to distinguish between two people doing the haka (or any other base routine)?

You accuse me of deflection when you've been deflecting and ignoring to your heart's content. We both know I've been consistent while you have brought in new themes...that's what I call deflection.

And is this "flippant" as well? pretend they're Maoris and get all Exorcist, possessed and sh*t" Since that more than anything else is offensive in describing the Haka...

And you can have ANY opinion you want... as long as you keep that opinion to yourself... as soon as you start sprouting the rubbish out you are attacking... In this case you are attacking a major expression of Maori culture by attacking a Haka that is being performed traditionally and culturally as IT SHOULD BE.

As you have stated... I dont know all Maori... and they may think that... but they have enough respect for their culture not to sprout it out and attack the Haka... as they know it is offensive... Can you find ANY instance ANYWHERE where any Maori has attacked the All Blacks Haka... i would put money on you not finding any... simply because We wouldnt do it....

I never said it was impossible.. i asked why You think Williams looks like a Penis and you praise Luke when they is not much difference to how they both do the Haka??? so far the only thing you have said is that Williams is White.

 

[1stNov2000]

I missed the national anthem in the final, was it as good as the guy who performed the national anthem for the centenary test?