Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[franklin2323]

I don't agree with moving Maloney on if it's from our end. If we don't keep a consistent roster we'll never win a comp.

That is it for me too

 

[TheFrog]

Munster is probably a long shot but we’d be crazy not to make inquiries.

Make enquiries by all means, but all it will do is force his price up at the Storm.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Make enquiries by all means, but all it will do is force his price up at the Storm.

Munster has had a difficult relationship with Bellamy, I’m not so sure that a good offer wouldn’t be tempting to him.

Of course we wouldn’t have the money for both Munster & Cleary.

 

[Matthew Ellis]

We need to do whatever we can to sign Taupau. That's the sort of player we need.

I think part of the reason Merrin has fallen so far below being an Australian prop is because acceleration for a guy his size was his biggest strength. Acceleration starts to drop in your late 20's whereas strength starts to drop around the age of 40. Part of it, no doubt his weight but I don't think Merrin's strengths were ever going to result in a long career like Gallan has. He could delayed his decline by keeping ripped (keeping in mind he was injured during pre season last year and there isn't much you can do then) but he could never going to be close to Australian prop form at that age. The props you see performing well into their 30's are guys who's pure physical strength is one of their primary assets, like Tapau.

 

[jane the pain]

Jane, with respect, you never offer anything up to back up your opinions.

What is it specifically that gives you confidence that Nathan Cleary can control the team? When did he last really create a try through a kick or a pass?

Luia showed more in attack in the game against the warriors than Nathan ever has, he was putting on passes & little deft kicks. He showed the complete repertoire of a first receiver.

If anything there’s an argument for Luai to be the main man & for Cleary to be a second receiver with more space.

It is called having an opinion, that is all.

 

[jane the pain]

How’s he gone controlling the game when Maloney has been below par or out of the team?

Cleary doesn’t have what it takes.

Again, that is YOUR opinion. I have mine, and you have yours, it is as simple as that.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Again, that is YOUR opinion. I have mine, and you have yours, it is as simple as that.

Why don’t you flesh your opinion out though?

My opinion is actually backed up with some data & observations, yours is just “it’s my opinion”

It honestly baffles me.

 

[Exsilium]

I don’t see premiership winning qualities in Nathan Cleary.

He’s good but he’s not that good. In fact, what does he have?

Vision? No.

Control? No.

Kicking game. Do bombs count?

Running game? Yes.

Composure? Yes.

Given our poor form of late I believe every player is open to criticism. Nathan offers very little right now.

 

[jane the pain]

Why don’t you flesh your opinion out though?

My opinion is actually backed up with some data & observations, yours is just “it’s my opinion”

It honestly baffles me.

It honestly baffles me that you can't, or I should say won't, accept that I have my own views. I don't care about statistics at all. Also, I do watch the game. Let sleeping dogs lie, and enjoy the remaining hours of the weekend.

 

[OldPanther]

It honestly baffles me that you can't, or I should say won't, accept that I have my own views. I don't care about statistics at all. Also, I do watch the game. Let sleeping dogs lie, and enjoy the remaining hours of the weekend.

I think he's just trying to understand your loint of view and why you hold it. It's a good way to connect with people.

 

[jane the pain]

I think he's just trying to understand your loint of view and why you hold it. It's a good way to connect with people.

I know, however, I am sick to death in having to justify myself. Yes Nathan has been below standard, however, he can improve. I blame the poor coaching.

 

[Pomoz]

That is it for me too

In the spine yes, the Storm move forwards all the time. You can't keep messing around with the spine though.

 

[OldPanther]

In the spine yes, the Storm move forwards all the time. You can't keep messing around with the spine though.

Panthers roster management.

 

[Pomoz]

Panthers roster management.

Yep them too. But they have kept their spine reasonably consistent during the years. Certainly not changing it every year.

 

[OldPanther]

Yep them too. But they have kept their spine reasonably consistent during the years. Certainly not changing it every year.

Thinking about it I don't think we've kept a halves paiting for an entire season for years.

 

[franklin2323]

In the spine yes, the Storm move forwards all the time. You can't keep messing around with the spine though.

Tim Grant is coming but if we move on Merrin and replace from within... Nothing changes

 

[forby]

Why? The young forwards like Ellis, Martin, Toso etc aren't Merrin clones.

 

[maple_69]

I think the main difference in Cleary pre and post Origin is we watched a kid with huge potential pre and now expect an Origin winning half post. The other is, nobody in our side can hold onto the ball.

Exsilium, go ahead and add half of the game (defence) to your list and he is close to the best half in the league.

Cleary has always struck me as a Cronk type. Not a natural footy player but precise, well drilled and consistent. If we had a quality structure (and hooker) I think Cleary would really start to reach his potential.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think the main difference in Cleary pre and post Origin is we watched a kid with huge potential pre and now expect an Origin winning half post. The other is, nobody in our side can hold onto the ball.

Exsilium, go ahead and add half of the game (defence) to your list and he is close to the best half in the league.

Cleary has always struck me as a Cronk type. Not a natural footy player but precise, well drilled and consistent. If we had a quality structure (and hooker) I think Cleary would really start to reach his potential.

Defence may be half the game but it’s not integral for a 7.

Give me a below average defender at 7 that can create tries any day over a high quality defender who rarely creates opportunities.


The problem Cleary has is he’s not good at either attacking kicking or passing, his short kicking game hasn’t been almost non existent this year. You need something in your arsenal to get your teammates over the line. There’s no X factor there.

Ok, maybe he improves under a better structure & a better hooker. But why would you risk $1 million per season on a maybe? Particularly if it’s his dad coming back to coach us.

 

[mxlegend99]

Hook is where x-factor goes to die.

In 7 years as head coach not a single half has played their best footy under Hook. Not to say they havent been decent under him. But like clockwork they go and improve under a new coach that lets them use their ability. Corey Normsn is onr of the best examples of that. He looked to have no vision or x-factor under Hook. 12 months away from him and he's actually a decent player. Scummy human. But decent player.

Nathan is only 20 years old and until a fortnight ago had spent his entire NRL career under a coach who didnt want his players backing themselves.

In 2 weeks he has already began running more and having a variety of kicks up his sleeve. We still have no game plans or set plays as such to execute though. He's a player who will do exactly what his coach wants. Put him under a Bellamy or Bennett and he goes on to have a Cronk like career. Bennett would do wonders for a number of our players.