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Lachlan Ilias been given permission to negotiate.

Who's watched him closely? Is he bad or just a victim of a team going poorly?

Upgrade on Hastings? or would be benefit by being second fiddle (5/8) with Hastings to bring him along.

Young - 23, and has a decent kicking and running game
Can't even make it back into a South's team that can barely win a game and that's dead last. No thanks.
 
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he is only a 23 yr old. Howe many would have said yes to Brookes ? look at what he's doing in a team going well.

the next question would be who is " the next big thing" as a halfback, to recruit. We throw DSaf's money at them.
 

Knight Tales

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I’d take Ilias at a cheap rate. Give him two years with a club option in year 2. He showed plenty of ability in his rookie season. Let us not forget he was playing in a spine with two alphas who are well known for their tantrums. I also feel the Ilias thing is political AF. It is well known Anasta has big issues with Souths and The powers that be. They have treated his uncle like shit for years.
 

Woody90

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Are we all assuming Hasting’s foot is f**ked for good now? (not a criticism, I’m not sure what sort of injury he has), because all of the options being mentioned, especially Ilias are a downgrade on what we already have.

I’d much prefer us to sit back for a bit and try and sort our cap out to be able to target a middle forward with some leadership ability should someone become available. That should be our main priority IMO, especially if we’re at risk of losing Leo. Clogging the system with more average halves when we’re already trying to fit 3 into 2 (or 4 into 2 if you count Pryce) is going to make our cap situation worse.

A bloke like Ilias would do no better than he did at Souths behind our current pack. Hastings and Gamble have probably fared best in the team because they’re big and scrappy.

I obviously don’t think we’re going to win a prem with Hastings and Gamble as our halves, but we’re not going to win won with any halves unless the middle forwards change.
 

Mr_Knightside

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Are we all assuming Hasting’s foot is f**ked for good now? (not a criticism, I’m not sure what sort of injury he has), because all of the options being mentioned, especially Ilias are a downgrade on what we already have.

I’d much prefer us to sit back for a bit and try and sort our cap out to be able to target a middle forward with some leadership ability should someone become available. That should be our main priority IMO, especially if we’re at risk of losing Leo. Clogging the system with more average halves when we’re already trying to fit 3 into 2 (or 4 into 2 if you count Pryce) is going to make our cap situation worse.

A bloke like Ilias would do no better than he did at Souths behind our current pack. Hastings and Gamble have probably fared best in the team because they’re big and scrappy.

I obviously don’t think we’re going to win a prem with Hastings and Gamble as our halves, but we’re not going to win won with any halves unless the middle forwards change.
This is a very true statement.
 

Burwood

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With Keary’s retirement, a coach being sacked and some heavyweight clubs having money to throw around, we’re about to see a lot of players shopped around. I don’t think Ilias is going to be a high priority for us.
 

HarVeeGee

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he is only a 23 yr old. Howe many would have said yes to Brookes ? look at what he's doing in a team going well.

the next question would be who is " the next big thing" as a halfback, to recruit. We throw DSaf's money at them.
Brooks has always had obvious talent and a lot of it, he’s on a different planet to Ilias in that regard, that’s why there’s been so much attention on him & expectation that one day the penny would drop. He’s quick and not easy to tackle. He can throw a beautiful long pass both ways. He has a huge boot and also sometimes puts in some lovely short kicks. He just couldn’t put it together the way he needed to to be a primary playmaker. Now that he’s at Manly, playing as a second fiddle in the halves, he is indeed going quite well and $700K/season looks like a very fair wage for what he’s giving them. He also played some good footy at the Tigers as Hastings’ second fiddle.

In the end that’s who he is, and that’s fine. He was expected to become the next Joey, but he’s more of a Luke Keary. Good attacking playmaker who needs to play with a dominant/organising half. Bit of a fail on Wests part that the guy they earmarked as their #7 is way more of a 6, and their chosen one at 6 (Moses) has flourished as the lead playmaker/#7 elsewhere…
 

Woosh

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It's shaping up as the most crucial recruitment decision the Knights will make since the club paid overs to prise teenage fullback Kalyn Ponga out of Townsville.

At some point over the next six months, coach Adam O'Brien and head of football Peter Parr will have to come up with a strategy to sign a halfback capable of leading Newcastle to a premiership within the next five years.

With just seven players from the top 30 off contract this year and Jackson Hastings among the club's highest-paid players coming into the final year of his deal, there will be little room to move on the recruitment front for 2025.

But only nine senior players - Ponga, Bradman Best, Jack Cogger, Phoenix Crossland, Tyson Frizell, Daniel and Jacob Saifiti, Greg Marzhew and Fletcher Sharpe - are signed for 2026, giving O'Brien and Parr scope to make some big recruitment calls going forward. While other positions will need bolstering, signing a dominant halfback has to be at the top of Newcastle's wishlist. Identifying and making a big financial play for the right player come November 1 will be crucial to the club's hopes of premiership success down the track.

No one is jumping out of the ground in the Knights' system as a long-term option. There are high hopes for Dolphins' under-19s halfback Zac Herdegen who the Knights pinched from the Broncos. A quality goalkicker, he'll be in Newcastle next season after finishing year 12 at Brisbane's Wavell Sports High.

Of the young halfbacks with NRL experience, few have more potential than Melbourne back-up Jonah Pezet, who is off contract at the end of next year and will be looking to move on if Jahrome Hughes continues to block his path. Despite suffering a season-ending knee injury last weekend, Pezet will be hotly pursued. Whether the former Knights junior, once viewed as Mitchell Pearce's likely successor, would entertain returning to his old club where his father Troy worked in recruitment is unclear.

Friz plays waiting game​


Tyson Frizell's absence from the Knights squad to play the Warriors on Sunday left fans scratching their heads given there was an expectation he would return this week from a hamstring injury.
Even coach Adam O'Brien appeared certain Frizell, who has missed the past four games, would be back, saying as much publicly after the win over the Dolphins.
We're not sure what's caused the confusion but we're hearing Frizell may have stirred up the hamstring in his good leg during a rehab session two Sundays ago on the day the Knights played the Bulldogs, and it hasn't improved quickly enough.

Keen to stick around​


Knights officials remain confident of re-signing senior assistant coach Brian McDermott despite speculation in England linking him to the coaching job at Hull FC.
The Knights are in negotiations with all three off-contract assistants and have been confident McDermott, Blake Green and Rory Kostjasyn would all commit to extensions.
But McDermott's name was tossed up last week as a contender for the vacant Hull job. McDermott is a four-time Super League premiership-winning coach but we're told he is enjoying his stint in Newcastle and would be reluctant to leave.

Gags in holding pattern​


Off-contract centre Dane Gagai continues to make a compelling case to have his contract extended at the Knights beyond the end of the season.

He was inspirational in the absence of Kalyn Ponga and Tyson Frizell in Newcastle's vital win over the Dolphins last Sunday.
But despite his form, we understand the club is content at this stage to keep its powder dry to allow the veteran centre's management to shop him around to rival clubs to ascertain his value on the open market.
Sydney Roosters have reportedly spoken about Gagai as a possible signing option to replace departing centre Joey Manu.

The problem for the Knights in re-signing Gagai now is they have limited room in the cap for next year and while they'd like to keep the 33-year-old, they don't want to jump in and pay overs if interest elsewhere is only lukewarm.

Interestingly, when Gagai quit the Knights at the end of 2017 to join South Sydney, it was because he felt unloved, claiming Newcastle was tardy during negotiations. Could Groundhog Day be approaching again?

 
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The Knights are ok with 274 NRL game Gags being shopped around when they're entire backline including Ponga has a total combined experience of 497 NRL games (without him)- Interesting

"Dont want to pay overs", just offer what can be afforded, offer him a mentor role post football, make him the Indigenous ambassador, just get it done ffs.
 
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The Toohey articles makes it sound like they are flying by the seat of their pants.

In my mind I'd imagined a purpose designed software showing cap gain & loss, with years of projection, tracking of juniors KPI's, and a Australia wide large data base of likely players, possible, and strategic recruitment aims goals.

They should know exactly what piece is next and where it goes.
 
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