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Sharks 72 bears 0. NSW cup.

Beowulf

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Bears and Sharks 2 totally different issues. Would be happy to see the Central Coast Bears get a shot along with Perth in 2015. Even if the Sharks development is scaled down significantly it will still be enough along with increased grants from the new t.v deal to ensure the Sharks security for many years to come. Sharks are not the only club on struggle street at the moment....plenty of others sweating on a good t.v deal. Good luck for 2015......excellent stadium to watch footy from at Gosford and some wise heads behind the bid.

Thanks and good luck for the year to the Sharks. Should put a line under this ridiculous thread which has no place in the expansion group, or in any for that matter.
 

Loudstrat

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2012 - you sound like a sensible forummer. Good luck for the coming year.

The rest of you twats - especially Newman - if hypocrisy was water you'd be f*cking drowning. Every scum club that went to Super League did so with the intention of making the ARL and its clubs die. That's why your sum club jumped in the first place (apart from the fact that it would bend over and lube up for anyone with a bit of spare cash) Your mob couldnt wait to take one of the THREE spots that Traitor League left for Sydney.

Whatever Flo has been alleged to have been said by your sad clowns is nothing compared to the death sentence you twats imposed upon the Bears when you sold whatever microscopic bits of soul was left of your club in 1995.

Face it - even out of the comp, the Bears will have 2 things your pathetic rabble of a club havent - a CEO and a premiership! :lol::lol:
 

carcharias

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Every scum club that went to Super League did so with the intention of making the ARL and its clubs die

...and yet the good old self righteous pillar that is Florimo, will patiently stand aside until the Bears are politley invited back to play.
He would hate to see any club die . Even if that means it would hugely benefit the club he has been working his arse off to resurrect?

is that we are meant to believe?
even more unbelievable is your above quote....The Sharks had one motive when they joined super league and I can assure you it had nothing to do with killing off any other teams.
It was purely about their own survival.
They went that way and are still going 15 odd years later.

Bears merged with Manly...f**king Manly !!!!!!!!
The club with the most unethical history in the game when it comes to screwing other clubs.



How long before people on the central coast get jack of paying a memership to a teamless club?
 

newman

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What's the bigger evil? Joining Super League or throwing the keys to the farm off a cliff by merging with Manly?

In hindsight, I know which I prefer.
 
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...and yet the good old self righteous pillar that is Florimo, will patiently stand aside until the Bears are politley invited back to play.
He would hate to see any club die . Even if that means it would hugely benefit the club he has been working his arse off to resurrect?

is that we are meant to believe?
even more unbelievable is your above quote....The Sharks had one motive when they joined super league and I can assure you it had nothing to do with killing off any other teams.
It was purely about their own survival.
They went that way and are still going 15 odd years later.

Bears merged with Manly...f**king Manly !!!!!!!!
The club with the most unethical history in the game when it comes to screwing other clubs.



How long before people on the central coast get jack of paying a memership to a teamless club?
Poor uneducated fool, still thinking that Florimo wants your club dead. Believe what you want, no one wants the Sharks dead. Like I've been saying and its painfully obvious, no one outside your supporters cares enough about the Sharks to give a rats what they do or don't do.

It's deluded people like yourself and Newman who have rocks in their heads and have this "everyone wants us out mentality" which gets annoying. No one wants you out, except maybe the old board of yours who seemingly did everything in their power to ruin your club. Keep going forwards, it benefits you guys so much more.
 

carcharias

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Poor uneducated fool, still thinking that Florimo wants your club dead. Believe what you want, no one wants the Sharks dead. Like I've been saying and its painfully obvious, no one outside your supporters cares enough about the Sharks to give a rats what they do or don't do.

It's deluded people like yourself and Newman who have rocks in their heads and have this "everyone wants us out mentality" which gets annoying. No one wants you out, except maybe the old board of yours who seemingly did everything in their power to ruin your club. Keep going forwards, it benefits you guys so much more.


a quick search of this very forum will prove you wrong.

go for it.


don't worry , I have been hearing it for 20 years now.

as for florimo.........mate stop kidding yourself.
 
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a quick search of this very forum will prove you wrong.

go for it.


don't worry , I have been hearing it for 20 years now.

as for florimo.........mate stop kidding yourself.

There's a fan who wants at least one club gone. No different from Sharks, to Sea Eagles to Titans.

As for Flo, I know his stance. So grow up will ya?
 

carcharias

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make your mind up ...people either do or dont want the sharks to fold..which is it?

As a staunch sharks fan I can assure there are heaps of people that would love to see us fall over.
You are in complete denial if you think it is just a few fans of other clubs .
The shire would be a huge fan base for another club to get.

...but it wont happen.
 

newman

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make your mind up ...people either do or dont want the sharks to fold..which is it?

As a staunch sharks fan I can assure there are heaps of people that would love to see us fall over.
You are in complete denial if you think it is just a few fans of other clubs .
The shire would be a huge fan base for another club to get.

...but it wont happen.


And one of those people who wants us gone is Florimo. Lets assume the hypothetical that the Sharks call the administrators in today. In all reality its the perfect scenario for him, and for CC supporters. Florimo would be straight on the phone to NRL hq saying "we are ready to go, ship their players up here". Lets also assume that the other hypothetical I have been informed of (and isnt outside the realms of possibility) is true, that the CC bid is 3rd in line behind Perth and QLD mach II. Florimo then needs a current club to fall over to get in based on his timeline and projections.

You say you know Florimos mind. I have never met the bloke, but I do know several people in the Sharks admin and they all confirmed to me last night, when I followed this up, that they were extremely wary of Florimo and had been tipped off that in 2009 he was indeed sniffing around the NRL at our expense.


There is no benefit in him telling anybody this because Gallop told him to cool his heels. As Carch said, if he wasnt doing this, he wouldnt be doing his job. I understand it, It doesnt make him a villian per se. But I dont like it.

Wake up. This is the big leagues. Not everyone likes everyone and not everone thinks there is room for everyone. And while the public perception of your bid is based on the warm and fuzzy notion of current NRL set up + 2 new clubs with one of those being the CC (every child wins a prize!), that may not necessarily happen, and if it doesnt Florimo will have to have contingencies. To be succesful in a bid, you need to be a very, very good politician and sometimes that means screwing people over.

If someone came to the Sharks admin, or I was in that admin and said "You can secure your future by squeezing out the bears bid". They would go for it every time. And its the same the other way around.
 
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The Bears have a History of being underhanded to get their way, have a read of the highlighted bits in this article from a few years ago

the retractions also clear up the facts that Manly were supposedly broke, it is also interesting reading, the fact that Norths walked away from their responsibilities and Manly paid the JV Players Contracts

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-38991.html

Have a read of what this guy said about Manly on Friday and then the retraction on Saturday by the Daily Telegraph. Seriously, I don't understand how some people can think they can get away with this kind of drivel....

BEGINNING OF THE MEND

14/6/2002
By Paul Kent - www.news.com.au



Now that a future for the Northern Eagles has been decided, coach Peter Sharp can finally devise a plan to lift the team to the next level. PAUL KENT investigates

AS Peter Sharp tells it, what he needs is three or four good first grade players.

"It's not going to happen here overnight," the Northern Eagles coach said. "It's got to be a gradual process.

"It's the only way we can do it. You can't run around buying reserve graders from other clubs and expect to come fourth or fifth."

It is not rocket science but it is not simple algebra either.

Sharp is one of those career coaches, a man capable of putting together an outfit like a Brisbane or Parramatta or Newcastle, the type of clubs that not only win, but do it year after year.

He understands the protocol and procedure: he just needs it behind him.

A sound administration, with a solid recruitment and retention policy, is the one leg missing from Sharp's coaching repertoire.

Since he joined the club in 1999, every year has been a rebuilding year, the next seemingly more drastic than the previous.

He is hoping, after the events of this week, that the club has begun doing its part.

A board meeting last Tues day voted to return the club name to Manly and play them in maroon and white, out of Brookvale.

It ended an era that bordered on comedy, the Northern Eagles one of the great shambles in modern sport. When the two clubs first put their heads together it was a Three Stooges moment — clunk!

Why? Any number of examples should prove the case.

Manly had been forced into the merger because they were broke and Norths had moved to the Promised Land on the Central Coast — but had failed to meet the NRL criteria.

They merged, then Manly found the Bears' major sponsorship — with Business Barter Exchange (BBX) — called for 300,000 barter points. In other words, worthless.

There was trouble finding sponsors. Once, after an exhaustive campaign, the club's marketing staff triumphantly announced a new deal with Motorola.

It ah, ahem, called for six mobile phones.

Then chairman Geoff Bellew would walk in and say, "What's the latest on a major sponsor?"

"Not a lot of joy," he would get back.

It became a catchcry.

In the boardroom, it got to the point that directors had to wear gumboots to save their socks being soaked in blood.

The Bears felt they were being set up from the start. A decision would be made, they said, then by the time the next meeting came around, the Manly faction had changed its mind. The belief was former club supremo Ken Arthurson was pulling strings behind the scenes.

For their part, the Sea Eagles felt the Bears had little intention of making the joint venture work. They even turned up at the first board meeting with a news paper clipping, quoting Bears representative Mark Cannon saying the Bears would be playing out of NorthPower Stadium as a stand-alone club by the time the club's six year NRL licence expired. Where did that leave them?

As marriages go, it was a disaster of Roseanne and Tom Arnold proportions.

The hardest part, though, was the way the club's financial troubles meant each year they would lose much of their playing staff, forcing Sharp into another rebuilding phase.


What changes Tuesday's meeting brings to the club remains to be seen. After all, it is not like they found a pot of money.

While the club recently announced a major sponsor, North Sydney administrator Max Donnelly questions its long term viability.

"What they've done is sold the building the Northern Eagles' offices used to be in," Donnelly says.

"The major sponsor is the developer that bought the real estate and they've given him the major sponsorship for buying the land.

"They've sold that building and they've released the money to pay the players. But they've sold their last asset.

"The leagues club is in administration, it just can't make money. You can keep selling assets until you run out of money, but then where do you go from there?"

Example one is Arthurson's promise, made in July last year, when the joint venture dissolved and the club's ability to meet player payments was questioned. "We gave a commitment to pay the players and we will honour that commitment," Arthurson said then. It was an undertaking he gave to meet by the end of the year.

Yet here we are almost a year later and while the players that have remained at the club have been paid, those that have left — Mark O'Meley, Brett Kimmorley, Adam Muir and plenty of others — have yet to see a cent. Hey fellas, would you settle for a few spare BBX barter points?


It is this financial state that will make or break Sharp's plans to get the club, to get Manly, back to the gloried heights it once occupied.

For three years he has been trying to do it, coming unstuck each year when dollar-wary players left and he was forced to recruit from an increasingly shallow talent pool.

"You look at your better clubs with your better educations," Sharp said.

"The Newcastles and Parramattas, the Brisbanes and Canterburys, those sorts of kids have had good educations.

"Newcastle didn't buy a player this year, they supplied all their players from within.

"And although they're not experienced in first grade, they're experienced in the ways of the club and the skills of the club."

And when Sharp says he has been forced to start again each year, he has literally been forced to start again. It has been the Eagles' biggest problem.

"Your attention to detail at the club that has been together a long time is far better than you get at the clubs that have massive personnel changes," he says.

"If you get 10 or 11 new players each year, even more in our case, you're continually going back over things.

"The last three years — it's been a bit of a waste of time for everyone. We've had to start again each year, you don't get any continuity in your football, your development.

"If you can't get continuity you can't expect success. If you have a look at the top clubs, they've all got that."

Which is why a player like Steve Menzies, as honest as a day's work, has been so important to Sharp.

Sharp cannot say enough about the bloke.

Two years ago, Parramatta offered Menzies everything short of Town Hall to switch clubs.

Asked why he knocked it back, Menzies says: "The players, the coach, growing up in the area, playing for the same club... all those sorts of things."

From many others, it would look like PR, but Menzies is not that complicated.

Occasionally there have been the doubters, those that look at Sharp's results and question his ability.

The answer is in the form of Menzies, who just gets better, and even the likes of Brendon Reeves and John Hopoate, who have brought new levels to their game. Because they have been around.

With Menzies as his cornerstone, Sharp has put proposal to the Eagles board this week designed to build the club into a contender.

"Hopefully next year we'll get two or three genuine first graders — not second graders — and get some kids in below them," he says.

"Their age I'm still to determine mine. But get them in your system and put them there for a couple of years and see how they go."

It is a strategy he knows will work, given time and the right administrative support. But that remains important.

On the plus side, with the Northern Eagles to become the Manly Sea Eagles next seasons, and playing fulltime out of Brookvale Oval, the timing could not be better.


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Northern Eagles clarification

THE Daily Telegraph wishes to clarify and correct a report regarding the Northern Eagles in yesterday's paper.

The report stated that Manly leagues in administration; this is incorrect — he club is solvent and no administrator has been appointed.

At the time of its merger with North Sydney in late 1999, the Manly club was not "broke" as reported. It had met the NRL criteria which included solvency requirements and secured a five-year licence to take part in the competition.

In consideration of its sponsorship deal, Delmege Commercial provided substantial cash and other benefits to the club and it was not "given away" as suggested in the report.

The report stated that players who left the failed joint venture entity at the end of last year had not received "a cent" — in fact, they have already been paid 50c on the dollar.

"Arrangements to finalise payments to these players will be made after the legal process, currently under the jurisdiction of the company's liquidator is concluded," said club CEO Ian Thomson.

The Daily Telegraph regrets the errors.
 

Loudstrat

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Joining a comp to kill 7 Sydney clubs is ok, but a CEO having negative thoughts..........

F*ck me you Sharks fans are dumb as a box of hammers! You do realise by joining Super League you were signing up for everything they stood for. I'm certain had SL achieved their vision the Sharks board would not be campaigning to save all the ARL clubs! Just because you joned the Klu Klux Clan, wore white hoods and burned crosses doesnt mean you hate black people - you just like the cupcakes you get at meetings, right? ](*,)
 

carcharias

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Yep we are the dumbs one's

I will take that on board when I watch my team play all 12 home gets at shark park this year.
 

Beowulf

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Manly paid the JV Players Contracts

Out of the $20m which you merged with us for.

Mark Cannon did the correct thing in pulling out of the JV after pressure from the Save the Bears supporters group, otherwise we'd have ended up like the Magpies are now, only sooner.

His visionary move was only going to be a success if Manly headed back to Brookie, renamed as the Sea Eagles and sat on their hands on the peninsula, leaving the game to rot elsewhere and leaving the Coast and north shore with nothing - a plight identified by D Gallop as the major attraction of the CC Bears bid.

It was a calculated risk based on the Manly admin not wanting to relocate permanently, because Peters/Vautin/Fulton said repeatedly, referring to Gosford, 'we can't wait to get out of this shithole'.

So thanks for being so frank Sea Eagles dinosaurs - all 3 have been seen off now but the CC and north shore and other decent fans of all clubs haven't forgotten the mugging we got from the club we helped form.

When we get a license all this crap can be revisited every derby in the stands...what fun! And if we don't get a license your club will be as dead as ours w/in 10 years as the last lights go out on league on the north shore - so better join up today at www.centralcoastbears.com.au
 

Loudstrat

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Yep we are the dumbs one's

I will take that on board when I watch my team play all 12 home gets at shark park this year.

No, I said you were the hypocritical ones. But carrying on with your pathetic argument does make you dumb.

Watching your amateur mob 12 times at home is pretty dumb too. Why pay for fortnightly misery?
 

Mr Angry

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Great thread newman.

lol@5(c)uff$ has never been so much fun.

Thier reggie side is so upset.

In the mean time we will play in the top league.

Fact.

It so hurts them.

Unmerged too.
 

Loudstrat

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Posting while sober would be nice. But hey, at least I saw my mob win premierships in those years. My nan saw the Bears win comps too.

And you? 45 years and won f*ck-all :lol::lol:
 
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