What is a knock on?

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  1. souths_reborn

    souths_reborn Juniors

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    Has anybody else noticed that referees seem to have this arbitrary interpretation of what a knock is? I cannot believe the number of times I have seem balls that have easily gone backwards pulled back for a knock on. My understanding is that a knock on constitutes the ball being spilled or knocked towards or in line with the opposition goal line.
     
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  2. AlwaysGreen

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    A knock on is something that happens 90% of the time a burgess bros is passed the ball.
     
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  3. Joeboy

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    The worst interpretation of knock ons is the one where the defending team is stung with a restarted tackle count for touching a pass in the act of tackling. It's not 6 again or any advantage if the defending team did not play at it. And if they are all deemed knock ons, then james Roberts on the weekend has to be too.
     
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  4. adamkungl

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    Just another point in the rapidly declining standards of NRL refereeing.
     
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  5. Incorrect

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    When I started watching league in the 80's, everything was a knock on, if the ball hit the deck, it was a knock and a scrum without fail... Then in the late 90's I reckon or start of the 21st century, the knock back call came in to vogue, refs showed some discretion and common sense.... Seems to be falling back to the 80's officiating mentality these days...
     
  6. Perth Red

    Perth Red Referee

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    Don't drop it and ref doesn't have to make a judgement call on the run if it went forward or backward! Instead of blaming the refs maybe we should be asking why players earning hundreds of thousands of $'s can't catch a ball?
     
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  7. Johns Magic

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    So you agree with balls that clearly go back half a metre being called knock-on?
     
  8. the seagull

    the seagull Juniors

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    If the referees paid attention, instead of dreaming of calling footballers by their first name, during science at school they may have learnt that a ball that comes from infront of you hits your hand and ends up behind you cannot possibly be knocked towards the oppositions try line.
     
  9. butchmcdick

    butchmcdick Guest

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    What is a knock on

    Baby don't hurt me

    Don't hurt me

    No more
     
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  10. T-Boon

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    Get rid of the knock on. If the attacking team drops the ball in any direction they should be allowed to recover it at the cost of a tackle but not allowed to make any forward progress. Just fall on it into a voluntary tackle.
     
  11. POPEYE

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    Just call every mishandle that touches the ground a dropped ball and be done with it. The really bad part is when referees guess whose fault it was the ball goes loose, if they're not sure it should be pick it up and play on . . . there doesn't always have to be a culprit
     
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  12. Shorty

    Shorty Moderator Staff Member

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    Yep agreed, it's an error most of the time so should be treated as that.
     
  13. Different kind of Rabbit

    Different kind of Rabbit Moderator Staff Member

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    One of many questions I ask myself after every NRL game I watch nowadays. Some of the others?

    What is an obstruction?

    What is a blocker?

    What constitutes a penalty in the play the ball?

    What is a forward pass?

    What is a shoulder charge?

    How long can you hold a tackled player down for?

    How far is 10 metres?

    What constitutes a sin binable offense?

    What do you need to do to be sent off?

    The interpretation on everything I've asked above seems to vary widely, every game, every week?
     
  14. mave

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    Your sht ideas sound more like AFL everyday.
     
  15. T-Boon

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    true.
     
  16. POPEYE

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    In Origin the answer to each of your questions has an addendum - Does the infringement really create enough of a disadvantage to warrant a stoppage?

    In NRL each of your questions is representative of an opportunity for referees to big-note themselves . . . a search and destroy mission
     
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    Post of the year!!!!
     
  18. Simo

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    This was a change from super league, I clearly remember discussion and the change for the reason you state everything was being called a knock on.

    To be fair to the refs it doesnt matter what they do in the era of 24hr social media and multiple camera angles of every play it doesnt matter what they call someone will whinge, they are in an unwinnable situation on discretion calls.
     
  19. T-Boon

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    In that instance it should be a scrum with the feed going against the defending team but the tackle count should not restart. I don't think the tackle count should ever restart from a defender touching the ball.
     
  20. Different kind of Rabbit

    Different kind of Rabbit Moderator Staff Member

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    Honestly though... I've never seen a group of people with the ability to take a rule that is black and white and turn it grey like NRL officials do.

    Even the 10 metre rule... Something which is just ridiculously obvious, they have lines painted on the field to assist ffs, yet you can have two officials in the one game that have a different interpretation of what is 10 metres.

    The rule was that you need to be behind the ref when the ball is played. Somehow that has grafted into some part of you needs to be behind the ref when the ball is played and even still, some refs actually just stand behind the defensive line. One of the touch judges is supposed to help police the 10 metres and yet they still can't get it right. Now if that isn't confusing enough... If a game goes to extra time then the rule basically becomes non existent and no one is called for offside. It's a bloody joke. The 10 metres should be the most black and white rule in the game and it should be the easiest to police and yet the NRL manages to make a mockery of it in just about every game.

    Then we get to the other stuff that I mentioned in my original post and most of those things aren't so black and white to begin with... The ruck, the play the ball, scrums... Basically all just a lucky dip.
     
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