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Why NZ needs a 2nd team

ali

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I'll admit that the Warriors are struggling at the moment, but the amount of players coming out of NZ is staggering. With good management, and a good balance between Polynesian players and a couple of Aussie imports, i have no doubt a 2nd NZ team could be challenging for the top 4 within a very short time. The Gold Coast also deserves a team, but it appears Aussie clubs have noticed what a gold mine NZ is, are the contracts are being thrown around big time. I saw the 17 year old kid Soliola (mentioned below) play reserve grade a few weeks back, and he is sensational. Lets hope none of them get pinched by Australia for national duties.

They are leaving in droves
Written by: Auckland RL Media
05/31/04 Views: 24

An increase in the overseas exodus of the country's best up-and-coming rugby league players is stripping the ranks of the game.

A total of 127 players have sought release from their New Zealand Rugby League (NZRL) registration and clearance to play overseas so far this year.

That is aproximately six teams or half a Bartercard Cup competition, which is where the bulk of them come from.

Around 25% of those heading overseas, mostly to Australia, are junior development players.

There were five former Junior Kiwis in the New South Wales under-19s versus Queensland under-19s that was curtain raiser to State of Origin One.

Bronson Harrison is at Wests Tigers and Iosia Soliola at the Roosters and played for the junior Blues; Josh Tatupu (Auckland), Sam Tagataese (Wellington) and Joseph Clark (Christchurch) played in the junior Maroons.

Among the latest exports are New Zealand under-16 representative Hermann Retzlaff, a prop, who has shifted to Keebra Park High School on the Gold Coast, with promise of a shot at making the Wests Tigers. It is the same school Benji Marshall attended. Retzlaff is one of around eight young New Zealanders on their books.

The Cairns Comets, who are a Queensland Cup feeder club for the North Queensland Cowboys, have also been active, signing six national junior competition players.

The Broncos have shifted New Zealand secondary schools half Tim Rangihuna over from Aranui High in Christchurch with promise of a trial. He is the fourth player taken from the Canterbury Bulls in recent days, with goal-kicking fullback Lusi Sione off to England and second rower Taylor Pelenise going to Souths.

Joseph Clark, a lock rated the best prospect in the South Island, has rejected an approach from the Warriors to sign for the Broncos after seven games with the Bulls.

To help stem the flow, the Auckland Rugby League has formed its own management co-op to help young players sort real offers from approaches which could see young players heading to obscure teams in rural New South Wales.

Called Vision Sports Management, it aims to identify top talent in their early teens and offer a stable pathway to the top, without interference with schoolwork.

In charge is long-term coach Stan Martin. Twelve boys aged 14-18 are in the programme so far and already one, wing/centre Sean Morris, 19, has been sent to the Tigers on a two-year contract.

A second player, Darren Kingi, has been attached to the Manly development programme run in Auckland with hopes of a trial.

Ten others are at the Warriors. Martin is happy for the Auckland National Rugby League franchise to have first look at the players.

There is a good working relationship between him and Duane Mann, who runs the NZRL-Warriors development programme.

The players have to be aged 18 before they can sign a legally binding contract without their parents' input.

Martin aims to protect them from signing away any hope they may have. He also wants some reality and truth in the deal. "We don't want boys to dream of something that won't happen."

"We have identified these guys from ages 13 or 14 and put on the tournaments they play in. Then they get all sorts of people walking up to them saying, 'I'm the scout for such-and-such a club'.

"They don't need that at this stage of their career.

"We want to take them under our wing, nurture them and continue their education in football and, when they are 18, offer management services."

It is non-profit but Sports Vision will take a percentage which will be returned to the development fund.
 

DIEHARD

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Without a doubt a 2nd NZ club is vital. The bad form of the Warriors is very untimely but shouldn't be taken as a result of lack of quality playing stock. Imagine if a 2nd NZ team got their hands on Benji Marshall, Mike Hunt and Sonny Williams!

I don't want to see NZ be raided for players. It's underminding their local comp and they deserve to represent their own region and I want Aussie clubs with Aussies.

But you have to admit, at least the Bartercard isn't a deadend. People will play it because they know their is a chance of breaking through. But they need another option in NZ.

It would also do wonders for the NZ national team.

127....god that is a terrifying figure and it wont stop unless they have another club. We also don't want the English buying Kiwis, they need to breed their own players.

Something has to be done!
 

nqboy

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Most would agree that, prima facie, the Wellington bid seems way behind the other two. This is a new wildcard and doesn't it throw a fresh spin on deliberations?
 

joshreading

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I have yet to actually see any formal case for any new team in the NRL so how can they be behind in their prima facie.

I actually think long term Wellington would be a better investment for League than CC. Not that CC is not important but the gains of having a 2nd NZ team are strategic and immense for the game. The gains in having CC are fairly minimal in its wider impact on the game.
 

nqboy

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Read my post again Josh. If you still have a question, I'll explain it to you.
 

ali

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Gallop certainly is not writing off Wellington. Its only the Sydney media and supporters who think Wellington is miles off the pace. Out of sight, out of mind. But they are well and truelly in the picture with those who make the decisions.
 

ozbash

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with the amount of young talent leaving the country nz footy is in trouble.

of course the nzrl could pull finger and make the local comp/s worthwhile and offer our kids some incentive to stay.

much as the exodus pisses me off, you cant blame the young players.
 

bayrep

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There isnt enough money in NZRL or corporates to keep NZ's young up and comers. Especially with the dollars that AUS and ENG can throw around and the promise that if they are good enough they could break into the ESL or NRL. The only way would be another team and then that is only going to slow the flood down not stop it.
 

rugged

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HELLO! I think there are a lot more Queenslanders running round in the non QLD teams that could do with another QLD team BEFORE New Zealand!!!
 

Te Kaha

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bayrep said:
There isnt enough money in NZRL or corporates to keep NZ's young up and comers. Especially with the dollars that AUS and ENG can throw around and the promise that if they are good enough they could break into the ESL or NRL. The only way would be another team and then that is only going to slow the flood down not stop it.

Two words........ TRANSFER FEES.

If the Ausiie clubs started paying them like they are supposed to. there would be plenty of money. Of course it would help if the RLIF actually enforced the rules.
 

dimitri

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the performance of the warriors should have nothing to do with the wellington proposal

does the performance of newcastle impact on the central coast

does the performance of brisbane effect gold coast


forget about the warriors - wellington needs a team!!!
 

Front-Rower

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Its an Australian competition, not an International competition. Why should we allow another NZ team (although I have nothing against NZ) into an Australian competition. You don't see Northern Districts Cricket side from NZ playing in the Pura Cup or Celtic Rangers playing in the English Premier League.

Its time for the NZRL to get its house in order, save some face from previous embarrasments and run a competition that is competitive for New Zealand.

Just then may we get some true pride back into the international scene instead of watching the same players who play NRL for mainly the Warriors and a few other clubs get belted by the Aussies because they exactly know the game plan and how each individual plays the game.
 

ozbash

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Its an Australian competition, not an International competition. Why should we allow another NZ team (although I have nothing against NZ) into an Australian competition. You don't see Northern Districts Cricket side from NZ playing in the Pura Cup or Celtic Rangers playing in the English Premier League.

the warriors were invited.

there is discussion taking place about the viability of a nz provincial cricket team playing pura cup.at aussies invitation.

HELLO! I think there are a lot more Queenslanders running round in the non QLD teams that could do with another QLD team BEFORE New Zealand!!!

you lot have got 2 teams. what happened to the crushers,seagulls.?
they fell by the wayside much as a sydney club re-located to the gold coast will.
 

Te Kaha

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Front-Rower said:
Its an Australian competition, not an International competition. Why should we allow another NZ team (although I have nothing against NZ) into an Australian competition. You don't see Northern Districts Cricket side from NZ playing in the Pura Cup or Celtic Rangers playing in the English Premier League.

Its time for the NZRL to get its house in order, save some face from previous embarrasments and run a competition that is competitive for New Zealand.

Just then may we get some true pride back into the international scene instead of watching the same players who play NRL for mainly the Warriors and a few other clubs get belted by the Aussies because they exactly know the game plan and how each individual plays the game.

Fairly hard to get a "competition that is competitive for New Zealand" when your wonderful Austrailan competition for Australians has been raping the NZ talent for years.

Quite franky given what the first post in this thread said yours has to be one of the dumbest posted in years.
 

Front-Rower

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Te Kaha, how many COMPETITIVE test matches have there been since the Warriors have been in the competition between the Kangaroos and NZ? About 2 or 3 for mine.

Thats the problem you have when your number 1 sport is union though. I agree something has to be done to improve NZ rugby league but without the help of maybe the NZ sports commission or whatever it is called it may be a tough road. However I don't see why an Australian competition run by an Australian organisation should be the saviours.

I bet if Australian rugby union was down and out, New Zealand Rugby Union wouldn't help us out.
 

ozbash

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I bet if Australian rugby union was down and out, New Zealand Rugby Union wouldn't help us out.

yes it would, its in the intrests off the nzrfu to have a healthy aru.
can the arl say the same.
 

dimitri

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there are A few australian comps where there are nz teams participating

eg

nrl
nbl
nsl

however the argument about it being boring that all nz players play in the nrl s stupid because all super 12 players play in the super 12 then in the tests

is that boring????


there is no difference

in saying that however i believe we should have all 3 invited
 

DIEHARD

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rugged said:
HELLO! I think there are a lot more Queenslanders running round in the non QLD teams that could do with another QLD team BEFORE New Zealand!!!

I agree, Queensland is definately the most vital. But New Zealand has to be address in the near future, without a doubt the ultimate NRL competition needs a 2nd NZ team.
 
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