Rumoured signings 2014 / 2015

[TheViking]

The trouble with that is it doesnt go around for every club. When was the last time the knights or raiders signed up some sydney club's best junior? or star player? Blake Austin would be our biggest signing in a decade, FFS :lol:

The deck is stacked unfairly against these small market clubs and the NRL has no interest in doing anything about it

Knights recruited Beau Scott, Jeremy Smith, Kade Snowden, Darius Boyd all considered star players at their time...

Raiders are a different breed.

 

[perverse]

Knights recruited Beau Scott, Jeremy Smith, Kade Snowden, Darius Boyd all considered star players at their time...

Raiders are a different breed.

Wayne Bennett signed those players. The Knights without Bennett and Tinkler money have zero chance of any sort of signings. Snowden had even signed a contract with the Sharks before Tinkler and Wayne gave him a personal call and got him to renege on the deal.

That's a local junior that we chased HARD. Really hard, and still had no chance of signing until the Tinkler sale was official and Bennett was signed, sealed and delivered.

The salary cap simply does not work. If it did, then our fortunes shouldn't change so drastically with our ownership model. We went 10 odd years pre-Tinkler/Bennett with our biggest signing being Kirk Reynoldson. It appears that we'll see similar in the post-Tinkler/Bennett era. This is totally against what the salary cap is intended for - spreading out the talent pool.

 

[Rod]

The Bulldogs won 3 games in the Holden Cup this year, that pretty much sums up how much regard they have for that comp or any sort of junior development.

 

[Packy]

Peter was offered a contract if what I read is correct. Maybe the fact that Peter wasn't considered good enough for the Knights is an indication to the younger guys?

It's all speculation from all ends of course and I genuinely feel for you guys if you lose any of them (even though it seems youse only care about one of them). Just as I have for Canberra and even ourselves with Barba.

 

[TheViking]

Wayne Bennett signed those players. The Knights without Bennett and Tinkler money have zero chance of any sort of signings. Snowden had even signed a contract with the Sharks before Tinkler and Wayne gave him a personal call and got him to renege on the deal.

That's a local junior that we chased HARD. Really hard, and still had no chance of signing until the Tinkler sale was official and Bennett was signed, sealed and delivered.

The salary cap simply does not work. If it did, then our fortunes shouldn't change so drastically with our ownership model. We went 10 odd years pre-Tinkler/Bennett with our biggest signing being Kirk Reynoldson. It appears that we'll see similar in the post-Tinkler/Bennett era. This is totally against what the salary cap is intended for - spreading out the talent pool.

The point is quiet clear.

They signed many established superstars.

 

[perverse]

Peter was offered a contract if what I read is correct. Maybe the fact that Peter wasn't considered good enough for the Knights is an indication to the younger guys?

It's all speculation from all ends of course and I genuinely feel for you guys if you lose any of them (even though it seems youse only care about one of them). Just as I have for Canberra and even ourselves with Barba.

Pat, Chanel and Pete can all be solid first graders, and we'd love to have them all back at the Knights. Sione doesn't really have a ceiling, though - hence the Knights are more desperate for him to stay than the others. We also have less backline spots that need to be filled immediately, although McManus is slowing down now and we're pretty sure we'll lose at least 1 of Gagai and Leilua. Speculation that Uate is also being shopped around.

I know that you probably don't see that much of a difference given what you've seen in first grade from the 3 that have made the grade thus far - but Sione really is at least 1 or 2 classes above the rest of them. The fact that he looks as good or better than them when he only turned 18 mid this year should tell you enough. The fact that he was able to handle playing fullback in first grade having been groomed as a centre in the juniors - and do it bloody well, should tell you even more. The fac that Sione is the one that has been picked in the PMXIII - as an 18 year old - should say a lot too. He's an absolute phenom.

 

[perverse]

The point is quiet clear.

They signed many established superstars.

Right, so there's actually no point in discussing anything with you then. Keep on truckin'.

 

[Edwahu]

I can't wait to see which three Belmore based small businesses are lucky enough to benefit from having these guys on board to help with promotion. At only 200k each for 3 hours work a year it's a steal.

 

[madunit]

Plum - 1 year extension to stay at Penrith.

 

[TheViking]

Right, so there's actually no point in discussing anything with you then. Keep on truckin'.

Mate are you the full quid?

The Raider fan stated when was the last time Knights signed a young up and coming star. Simple Gagai or an established superstar. I listed 4 or 5.

Just because it doesn't sit well with your argument does it make in anything other then correct.

 

[Noname36]

Peter was offered a contract if what I read is correct. Maybe the fact that Peter wasn't considered good enough for the Knights is an indication to the younger guys? .

You're not getting it are you? Peter came through in 2012. At the time we'd just signed Boyd, McManus was younger, Uate was still playing well and had just signed a long-term extension, Gagai had just signed and Kev Naiqama who also couldn't crack the starting line up was older and ahead of him in NSW Cup.

It wasn't that Peter wasn't considered good enough...if that were the case he wouldn't have been offered an extension. It's the basic fact that he had at least 6 players ahead of him and Bennett, doing the right thing by him, encouraged him to move on to a club where he had a greater chance of playing FG (but if he didn't want to they were very happy for him to stay hence the contract being offered).

It's different now though. Boyd is leaving, as will Gidley in 2016, McManus is getting on in years, Uate won't be offered another contract unless his form picks up drastically, there's rumours of Gagai going to Brisbane in 2016...if those boys want FG spots they're not going to have a heap in front of them in 2016 like Peter did.

The point is quiet clear.

They signed many established superstars.

Um, three of the ones you named were Bennett's boys (he recruited them) and the other was a former Knights player that didn't want to leave to begin with.

Very poor point.

 

[perverse]

Mate are you the full quid?

The Raider fan stated when was the last time Knights signed a young up and coming star. Simple Gagai or an established superstar. I listed 4 or 5.

Just because it doesn't sit well with your argument does it make in anything other then correct.

Can I get you a shovel or something? I don't think you know what the argument actually is.

 

[dogslife]

:lol: Wayne Bennett imported half that roster from other clubs in the space of 2 years and now knights fans want to cry foul?

 

[Nice Beaver]

Scummy rich clubs that are allowed to spend the same amount of money on a roster as all the other clubs.

Yes, but 3rd party deals etc allow the "scummy rich clubs" to go over the top of clubs like Canberra and Newcastle who can't compete with their corporate backing.

One start to solving that issue would be to give all teams equal free to air coverage. The loading of games to certain clubs (who coincidentally seem to attract eh corporate dollars - who'd have thought....) gives them such a ridiculous advantage over other teams. It is not a fair market.

It actually surprises me that given Foxtel are part of this TV deal they don't push for this equality in free to air time. If the Donkeys are such pullers of TV audience, why don't they push to get them Saturday timeslots so they get a piece of the pie? Stupidity on the behalf of Foxtel and News Corp (no surprise there though I guess)

Would it mean I can't watch my team as much on a Friday night? Yes. Would I rather a stronger competition overall though? Yes.

Don't even try to tell me that the Bulldogs, Roosters of this competition are not offering more than the Canberra's of this world are. If they able to offer what the "scummy rich clubs" do then this would not be an issue.

 

[perverse]

:lol: Wayne Bennett imported half that roster from other clubs in the space of 2 years and now knights fans want to cry foul?

Yes, that would be when we had silvertail money - which is exactly the point being made.

Why do you think there was a massive stink about Darius Boyd's contract this year the moment Tinkler pulled out? Couldn't be that a lot of his contract was in "3rd party sponsorships", could it? To the tune of $200k perhaps?

Another one misses the point completely, there's a shock. dogslife - why don't you go be funny somewhere or something? Surely there's a meme, funny picture or snide remark waiting to be posted somewhere.

 

[Dutchy]

If the Broncos didn't sign Barba who we could have kept for another 10 years, we wouldn't have had to sign someone from another club.

Corey Thompson is a fullback, and is waaaay better than Perrett.

 

[TheViking]

The trouble with that is it doesnt go around for every club. When was the last time the knights or raiders signed up some sydney club's best junior? or star player? Blake Austin would be our biggest signing in a decade, FFS :lol:

The deck is stacked unfairly against these small market clubs and the NRL has no interest in doing anything about it

Does this help the "idiot" now.

 

[TheViking]

:lol: Wayne Bennett imported half that roster from other clubs in the space of 2 years and now knights fans want to cry foul?

It's remarkable.

I was discussing with the Raiders fan as quoted previously. Responded with Boyd, Gagai, Snowden, Smith, Scott and was abused because it ruined his little delusional argument. Oh then called an "idiot".

I hope this poor fella holds it together if the Mata'Utai boys do really leave.

 

[perverse]

Does this help the "idiot" now.

Did I post that?

<insert facepalm picture here>

 

[Packy]

You're not getting it are you? Peter came through in 2012. At the time we'd just signed Boyd, McManus was younger, Uate was still playing well and had just signed a long-term extension, Gagai had just signed and Kev Naiqama who also couldn't crack the starting line up was older and ahead of him in NSW Cup.

It wasn't that Peter wasn't considered good enough...if that were the case he wouldn't have been offered an extension. It's the basic fact that he had at least 6 players ahead of him and Bennett, doing the right thing by him, encouraged him to move on to a club where he had a greater chance of playing FG (but if he didn't want to they were very happy for him to stay hence the contract being offered).

It's different now though. Boyd is leaving, as will Gidley in 2016, McManus is getting on in years, Uate won't be offered another contract unless his form picks up drastically, there's rumours of Gagai going to Brisbane in 2016...if those boys want FG spots they're not going to have a heap in front of them in 2016 like Peter did.



Um, three of the ones you named were Bennett's boys (he recruited them) and the other was a former Knights player that didn't want to leave to begin with.

Very poor point.

I tried not to read it like this but all I get from this is "but we didn't want him then.. We would have him now though especially if it means we get Sione"

That is kinda where I think it goes wrong.

Dogs didn't really want Sam Perrett but we really wanted Lloyd. Turns out Sam has been better than great for us so it worked out but you see my point. Somehow I feel that if Peter was advised to "Keep trucking, you have the talent to play 1st grade here" and supported more we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Anyway - This thread is just sad. I hope you keep them. But please don't blame other clubs for being interested in talent.