Have the ARL(C) done more harm or good the last 30 years?

[Joker's Wild]

Both players you mention were born and raised in Yorkshire. Hardly the same as the issues associated with Origin and international eligibility. Origin is great, but having a two state comp being the pinnacle of what should be a world game, isn't what should be encouraged.

Agree with the previous poster. There needs to be a well appointed RLIF, with representatives from all playing nations having a say on all matters rugby league.

Its up to the "other countries" to encourage players to play for them, not for QLD/NSW to discourage them

 

[LeedsStorm]

Its up to the "other countries" to encourage players to play for them, not for QLD/NSW to discourage them

Exactly the moronic attitude this thread is all about. If they weren't born in either state, they don't play. Simple. If less of the best players are playing origin, the international game can develop.

 

[franklin2323]

Both players you mention were born and raised in Yorkshire. Hardly the same as the issues associated with Origin and international eligibility. Origin is great, but having a two state comp being the pinnacle of what should be a world game, isn't what should be encouraged.

Agree with the previous poster. There needs to be a well appointed RLIF, with representatives from all playing nations having a say on all matters rugby league.

Milford is Australian born yet everyone on here thinks he should be playing for Samoa. The issue is 60% of junior players over here have islander background. Some are Aust/NZ and an island. Nightingale, Beale, Hoffman are Aust born yet chose NZ so origin doesn't get all.

Even 20 years ago Origin wasn't that big. now it's 3 of the Top 5 sports programs on TV. That's all sports. No reason in 20 years PNG v Fiji can't have that same growth.

 

[franklin2323]

Exactly the moronic attitude this thread is all about. If they weren't born in either state, they don't play. Simple. If less of the best players are playing origin, the international game can develop.

Spot on. RL as a whole has work to do but exciting things are happening. During that time we shouldn't have as many of these issues

 

[Evil Homer]

Proves England has the same disregard for the minnows up there as we do down here. It's a RL wide problem not just an ARLC. The fact they are looking to get more income is a great start

Do you know what happens if ARLC don't look after their own backyard? AFL, RU and Soccer will make inroads. ARU is practically dead can't take the foot off now.

On the back of being in QLD Cup. PNG locals beat a Tonga team full of heritage players. Fiji are joining NSW Cup in 2016 similar improvement will see both teams lift to European standard.

I was fully against England selecting those players (and NZ when they do it), but that comes down to the ridiculous eligibility laws that I mentioned earlier and is a case of individual national team selections by a coach rather than any fundamental problem. Australia are a little different as they are actively taking players from the international game to play SOO, and as such are pushing it as more important than international RL. It's just a backwards mentality. Players shouldn't be discouraged, but they should be free to play for whichever nation they choose, not pursued and coerced by a domestic competition that unfairly asks them to abandon their international teams in order to play. It's a black-and-white issue that could be solved tomorrow if the ARL would just allow players from second-tier nations to play SOO without committing to Australia.

PNG and Fiji being invited to play in the second-tier competitions is a positive start, but it doesn't even come close to making up for years of neglect. I'm not suggesting that the ARLC should neglect their domestic game at all, but there are a lot of bureaucratic problems at international level that could be resolved pretty much instantly if the ARLC wanted to. TBH I do think the current Aussie administration has good intentions for the international game (or at least better than what we've seen in the past) but it still isn't good enough at present, they still have a long way to go.

Out of interest EH, who do you support?

The underdog usually.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Exactly the moronic attitude this thread is all about. If they weren't born in either state, they don't play. Simple. If less of the best players are playing origin, the international game can develop.

Youre kidding yourself

Why should a player who may be born in NZ/Samoa/Romania but move to Australia as a 6yo, play all their RL here be denied the opportunity to play for NSW or QLD? Thats a truly moronic line of thinking

Are you going to apply that to the Int'l game too? Im sure Samoa, Tonga and Fiji would really thrive without the heritage rule

 

[franklin2323]

I was fully against England selecting those players (and NZ when they do it), but that comes down to the ridiculous eligibility laws that I mentioned earlier and is a case of individual national team selections by a coach rather than any fundamental problem. Australia are a little different as they are actively taking players from the international game to play SOO, and as such are pushing it as more important than international RL. It's just a backwards mentality. Players shouldn't be discouraged, but they should be free to play for whichever nation they choose, not pursued and coerced by a domestic competition that unfairly asks them to abandon their international teams in order to play. It's a black-and-white issue that could be solved tomorrow if the ARL would just allow players from second-tier nations to play SOO without committing to Australia.

Who have they taken that weren't already Australia Eligible? The minnows get heritage players that are either coming through the grades or are older. 90% of whom won't play for the minnow if it was a 1 country for life. It won't always be the case as more money comes in and more tests are played. We actually have a 12 year plan outlined so hopefully that gets the money coming in

 

[franklin2323]

Youre kidding yourself

Why should a player who may be born in NZ/Samoa/Romania but move to Australia as a 6yo, play all their RL here be denied the opportunity to play for NSW or QLD? Thats a truly moronic line of thinking

Are you going to apply that to the Int'l game too? Im sure Samoa, Tonga and Fiji would really thrive without the heritage rule

Using Tamou as an example. He played schoolboys with Hayne. Jennings etc. Should he choose to he should be able to play for Australia. Others in the same situation don't want to. Sadly the poorer islands will always lose kids after a better life. 10-15yrs later we have issues

 

[league13]

At the moment 40% of the ARL playing strength are Islanders, in another ten years it will be at least 80%, so the Aussies are going to grab them otherwise like NZ they won't have a team.This weakens such as teams Samoa,Fiji etc but the Aussies couldn't care a damn so long as they are ok.

 

[Joker's Wild]

lol "80%"

 

[Evil Homer]

Who have they taken that weren't already Australia Eligible? The minnows get heritage players that are either coming through the grades or are older. 90% of whom won't play for the minnow if it was a 1 country for life. It won't always be the case as more money comes in and more tests are played. We actually have a 12 year plan outlined so hopefully that gets the money coming in

It's just straight up geniused to try and gloss over this problem or pretend that Origin isn't being used as a tool to stop players from playing international footy for nations other than Australia. You've got blokes sitting out internationals every year because of Origin. Yeah, increased match payments are important, but that doesn't mean Australia aren't directly contributing to the problem and deliberately stifling the international game.

 

[Evil Homer]

Youre kidding yourself

Why should a player who may be born in NZ/Samoa/Romania but move to Australia as a 6yo, play all their RL here be denied the opportunity to play for NSW or QLD? Thats a truly moronic line of thinking

They shouldn't, just like they shouldn't be denied the chance to play for their country if they want to play Origin, it works both ways. In practice the ARL are doing exactly what you've just ridiculed, yet people are on here trying to defend that and pretend it's ok because it benefits Australia.

 

[papabear]

It's just straight up geniused to try and gloss over this problem or pretend that Origin isn't being used as a tool to stop players from playing international footy for nations other than Australia. You've got blokes sitting out internationals every year because of Origin. Yeah, increased match payments are important, but that doesn't mean Australia aren't directly contributing to the problem and deliberately stifling the international game.

What a load of crap.

Australia deliberately stifling the international game.

If players aren't eligible for Australia then they obviously aren't eligible for a SOO, if someone originates from NSW or QLD they should obviously be playing for Australia.

The success of origin may hurt the international game, but it is not a deliberate ploy, it is just keeping the SOO concept honest. which is particularly hard enough to do already with so many qlders involved.

 

[Evil Homer]

What a load of crap.

Australia deliberately stifling the international game.

If players aren't eligible for Australia then they obviously aren't eligible for a SOO, if someone originates from NSW or QLD they should obviously be playing for Australia.

The success of origin may hurt the international game, but it is not a deliberate ploy, it is just keeping the SOO concept honest. which is particularly hard enough to do already with so many qlders involved.

Yeah, because bringing in players from places like from Fiji and NZ and PNG and forcing them to abandon international footy in order to play in a thee-match series between two Australian states is totally honest.

Why can't you Aussies understand that Origin is totally irrelevant to the international game?

 

[Joker's Wild]

They shouldn't, just like they shouldn't be denied the chance to play for their country if they want to play Origin, it works both ways. In practice the ARL are doing exactly what you've just ridiculed, yet people are on here trying to defend that and pretend it's ok because it benefits Australia.

Not at all, I agree with you re: playing SOO shouldnt mean you have to play for Australia

What I contest is that SOO is what needs to change for the Int'l game to prosper. The truth is its the ARLs attitude to SOO that needs to change, not the concept nor its eligibility rules.

Other countries need to make it more attractive for players to choose them and take away some of the ARLs "power". Weakening SOO only hurts the game and not just in Australia. Its stupid to weaken the games biggest product (dont kid yourself that its not) in the vain attempt to strengthen another. It simply wont work

 

[Evil Homer]

Not at all, I agree with you re: playing SOO shouldnt mean you have to play for Australia

What I contest is that SOO is what needs to change for the Int'l game to prosper. The truth is its the ARLs attitude to SOO that needs to change, not the concept nor its eligibility rules.

Other countries need to make it more attractive for players to choose them and take away some of the ARLs "power". Weakening SOO only hurts the game and not just in Australia. Its stupid to weaken the games biggest product (dont kid yourself that its not) in the vain attempt to strengthen another. It simply wont work

Yeah, I agree that there's no reason to change SOO. Allowing players from second tier nations to play Origin wouldn't weaken the concept at all, these players still play Origin anyway so it wouldn't make any difference, they would just be able to play international footy as well instead of sitting around and doing nothing at the end of the year. We're not talking about taking any players away from SOO, just adding players to the international game.

 

[roughyedspud]

removing australian eligibility from state of origin would biggest boost/gift to international RL they could ever give...

 

[franklin2323]

Why can't you Aussies understand that Origin is totally irrelevant to the international game?

It's the $30k a game players get for playing tests. Up against paying your way that makes players commit to Aust.

Lets assume RFL wanted a similar game. They would be in there rights to have whatever selection rules they want.

SOO is an ARL run comp. They can pick just ranga's if they choose.

 

[league13]

lol "80%"[/QUOTE
When it comes to footy,you speak a load of cr-p.Have a look at the NZ team which is well over 80% and Aussie will end up the same.

 

[Joker's Wild]

lol so NZ, with a massive % of their population having an islander back ground is some how evidence Australia is going to be the same, despite the population demo graphic in Australia being vastly different?

Ironic that you accuse me of speaking crap when you are dribbling tonnes of it.