NSW forwards dominance

[some11]

Drop Gallen and bring Fifita back, then it's the perfect forward pack.

 

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Drop Gallen and bring Fifita back, then it's the perfect forward pack.

Lol

 

[ek999]

lol this seems more like wishful thinking than anything (thinking that Queensland will have no forwards).
Bennett's style of play at the Broncos means there will be some decent guys coming up in Brisbane, might have a few lean years but it won't be forever.
I remember NSW had a pretty average forward pack just a few years ago (no, not 9 years ago).

Talent most likely won't be an issue. Experience will be though. It could be another 2 years of a weakening forward pack followed by another 2 years of an inexperienced forward pack. If NSW win this year, I think they are a pretty good chance of winning 5 or 6 in a row.

If I was Mal I would be looking to make significant changes to the forwards next year but I doubt he will

 

[Craig Johnston]

napa and grevsmuhl right now at best are impact players, i don't think grevsmuhl has played more than 50 minutes a match yet, which for a backrower means he has along way to go. (so he doesn't count as a prop to start with)

whereas the numerous blues boys at the start of this thread are producing week in week out RIGHT now.

 

[BennyV]

Talent most likely won't be an issue. Experience will be though. It could be another 2 years of a weakening forward pack followed by another 2 years of an inexperienced forward pack. If NSW win this year, I think they are a pretty good chance of winning 5 or 6 in a row.

If I was Mal I would be looking to make significant changes to the forwards next year but I doubt he will

In the forwards, yes, but the backs may be an issue. JMorris is losing speed by the season, BMorris probably only has 2-3 decent years left (absolute tops), Hopoate is far from a long term solution and dont get me started on the current halves pairing (who, despite being solid, are not the guys to lead NSW to a dynasty).

If we want to create an era of dominance worthy of the forward pack leading us, we need to make sure we inject guys like Fergo, Roberts, Johnson etc into the arena and create a combination with our ACTUAL long term halves (some combination of A.Reynolds, Sezer, maybe Moylan or Austin or whoever are the actual best players)...

 

[betcats]

Talent most likely won't be an issue. Experience will be though. It could be another 2 years of a weakening forward pack followed by another 2 years of an inexperienced forward pack. If NSW win this year, I think they are a pretty good chance of winning 5 or 6 in a row.

If I was Mal I would be looking to make significant changes to the forwards next year but I doubt he will

That's it. Out of their starting forwards last night Scott, Thaiday, Parker, Smith(who is huge for your forwards) and Myles are not going to be around much longer. Guys like Lillyman, Gillet and McGuire can do the job but they are nothing special at this level. Papi has some expeience and imo should be in the side now but he will be for years to come. Napa can pull off a big hit but is fairly standard as well. Guerra is a quality player and will hold his spot for a long time.

Meanwhile NSW have Tamou, Woods, Klemmer, Jackson, Cordner, Merrin all forwards who have played for the roos and all 27 or under.

 

[Craig Johnston]

In the forwards, yes, but the backs may be an issue. JMorris is losing speed by the season, BMorris probably only has 2-3 decent years left (absolute tops), Hopoate is far from a long term solution and dont get me started on the current halves pairing (who, despite being solid, are not the guys to lead NSW to a dynasty).

If we want to create an era of dominance worthy of the forward pack leading us, we need to make sure we inject guys like Fergo, Roberts, Johnson etc into the arena and create a combination with our ACTUAL long term halves (some combination of A.Reynolds, Sezer, maybe Moylan or Austin or whoever are the actual best players)...

dylan walker, matu'atia, wighton, hayne coming back, we have talent falling off trees atm.

 

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In the forwards, yes, but the backs may be an issue. JMorris is losing speed by the season, BMorris probably only has 2-3 decent years left (absolute tops), Hopoate is far from a long term solution and dont get me started on the current halves pairing (who, despite being solid, are not the guys to lead NSW to a dynasty).

If we want to create an era of dominance worthy of the forward pack leading us, we need to make sure we inject guys like Fergo, Roberts, Johnson etc into the arena and create a combination with our ACTUAL long term halves (some combination of A.Reynolds, Sezer, maybe Moylan or Austin or whoever are the actual best players)...

yeah the backs are getting older but just look at who we've got to fall back on.

Dugan
Ferguson
Hoppa

Are still young



Walker
Tedesco
Mansour
Mata'utia
Johnston
Reynolds
Austin
Sezer

Absolute gun backs who have already cemented themselves in 1st grade




Waqa Blake
Tom Trobojvic
Latrell Mitchell
Euan Aitken
Jack Bird
Luke Brooks

Are players who are on there way up and showing a lot of promise.

 

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Also missed wighton, Roberts and Moylan.

Who's QLD got coming through?

 

[Craig Johnston]

Also missed wighton, Roberts and Moylan.

Who's QLD got coming through?

milf

 

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milf

His style of play Won't work in origin at 5/8 and at fullback he'll get smashed. One player who does worry me is hunt, he's the future of qld imo. Val Holmes is also pretty good.

 

[Craig Johnston]

His style of play Won't work in origin at 5/8 and at fullback he'll get smashed. One player who does worry me is hunt, he's the future of qld imo. Val Holmes is also pretty good.

the toads hate being reminded but he played u20s origin last year and got smashed by the likes of lodge klemmer paulo etc.

here are the 2 sides to give a better idea of who qld have coming through;

GIO New South Wales Under 20?s Side:
Clinton Gutherson (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)
Vai Toutai (Parramatta Eels)
Dylan Walker (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
Charly Runciman (St George-Illawarra Dragons)
George Jennings (Penrith Panthers)
Luke Brooks (Wests Tigers)
Mitch Cornish (Canberra Raiders)
David Klemmer (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
Michael Lichaa (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks)
Matthew Lodge (Melbourne Storm)
Kelepi Tanginoa (Parramatta Eels)
Dean Britt (Melbourne Storm)
Brendan Santi (Wests Tigers)

Reserves:
Craig Garvey (St George-Illawarra Dragons)
Kyle Lovett (Wests Tigers)
Jake Trbojevic (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)
Junior Paulo (Parramatta Eels)

Coach:
Dean Pay - Parramatta Eels

Queensland Under 20?s side:
Kurt Mann (Melbourne Storm)
Zac Santo (North Queensland Cowboys)
Hymel Hunt (Gold Coast Titans)
Brenko Lee (Canberra Raiders)
Nene MacDonald (Sydney Roosters)
Moses Mbye (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
Anthony Milford (Canberra Raiders)
Francis Molo (Brisbane Broncos)
Kierran Moseley (Penrith Panthers)
Patrick Kaufusi (North Queensland Cowboys)
Caleb Timu (Brisbane Broncos)
Corey Oates (Brisbane Broncos)
Chris Grevsmuhl (North Queensland Cowboys)

Interchange:
Luke Bateman (Canberra Raiders)
Lloyd Perrett (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
Rhyse Martin (Sydney Roosters)
Brandon Tago (Sydney Roosters)
John Folau (Parramatta Eels)

 

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the toads hate being reminded but he played u20s origin last year and got smashed by the likes of lodge klemmer paulo etc.

here are the 2 sides to give a better idea of who qld have coming through;

GIO New South Wales Under 20?s Side:
Clinton Gutherson (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)
Vai Toutai (Parramatta Eels)
Dylan Walker (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
Charly Runciman (St George-Illawarra Dragons)
George Jennings (Penrith Panthers)
Luke Brooks (Wests Tigers)
Mitch Cornish (Canberra Raiders)
David Klemmer (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
Michael Lichaa (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks)
Matthew Lodge (Melbourne Storm)
Kelepi Tanginoa (Parramatta Eels)
Dean Britt (Melbourne Storm)
Brendan Santi (Wests Tigers)

Reserves:
Craig Garvey (St George-Illawarra Dragons)
Kyle Lovett (Wests Tigers)
Jake Trbojevic (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)
Junior Paulo (Parramatta Eels)

Coach:
Dean Pay - Parramatta Eels

Queensland Under 20?s side:
Kurt Mann (Melbourne Storm)
Zac Santo (North Queensland Cowboys)
Hymel Hunt (Gold Coast Titans)
Brenko Lee (Canberra Raiders)
Nene MacDonald (Sydney Roosters)
Moses Mbye (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
Anthony Milford (Canberra Raiders)
Francis Molo (Brisbane Broncos)
Kierran Moseley (Penrith Panthers)
Patrick Kaufusi (North Queensland Cowboys)
Caleb Timu (Brisbane Broncos)
Corey Oates (Brisbane Broncos)
Chris Grevsmuhl (North Queensland Cowboys)

Interchange:
Luke Bateman (Canberra Raiders)
Lloyd Perrett (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
Rhyse Martin (Sydney Roosters)
Brandon Tago (Sydney Roosters)
John Folau (Parramatta Eels)

That was they year before. Last year in the under 20's it was Mitchell Moses who gave him a paint job while sione mata'utia at 17 destroyed the Qld right edge.

 

[Craig Johnston]

That was they year before. Last year in the under 20's it was Mitchell Moses who gave him a paint job while sione mata'utia at 17 destroyed the Qld right edge.

yep of course, we had matto and pritchard there as well

NSW Under-20s: Clinton Gutherson (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles), Jake Mamo (Newcastle Knights), Euan Aitken (St George-Illawarra Dragons), Sione Mata'utia (Newcastle Knights), Tyrone Phillips (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Drew Hutchison (St George-Illawarra Dragons), Mitchell Moses (Wests Tigers), Jake Trbojevic (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles), Kaysa Pritchard (Parramatta Eels), Matt Lodge (Melbourne Storm), Adam Elliott (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Jakiel Mariner (Sydney Roosters), Jack Bird (St George-Illawarra Dragons), Ryan Matterson (Parramatta Eels), Rhys Kennedy (Melbourne Storm), Pauli Pauli (Parramatta Eels), Dean Britt (Melbourne Storm).

Coach: Dean Pay.

Queensland Under 20s:

1. Valentine HOLMES (Cronulla Sharks)
2. Nene MACDONALD (Sydney Roosters)
3. Brenko LEE (Canberra Raiders)
4. Brendan ELLIOT (Sydney Roosters)
5. John FOLAU (Parramatta Eels)
6. Anthony MILFORD (Canberra Raiders)
7. Jaelen FEENEY (Newcastle Knights)
8. Lloyd PERRETT (Canterbury Bulldogs)
9. Kierran MOSELEY (Penrith Panthers)
10. Christian WELCH (Melbourne Storm)
11. Corey OATES (Brisbane Broncos)
12. Patrick MAGO (Canberra Raiders)
13. Luke BATEMAN (Canberra Raiders)
14. Cameron MUNSTER (Melbourne Storm)
15. Francis MOLO (Brisbane Broncos)
16. Brett GREINKE (Brisbane Broncos)
17. Joe OFAHENGAUE (Brisbane Broncos)
18. Jayden NIKORIMA (Brisbane Broncos)

Coach: Kevin Walters

 

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yep of course, we had matto and pritchard there as well

NSW Under-20s: Clinton Gutherson (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles), Jake Mamo (Newcastle Knights), Euan Aitken (St George-Illawarra Dragons), Sione Mata'utia (Newcastle Knights), Tyrone Phillips (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Drew Hutchison (St George-Illawarra Dragons), Mitchell Moses (Wests Tigers), Jake Trbojevic (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles), Kaysa Pritchard (Parramatta Eels), Matt Lodge (Melbourne Storm), Adam Elliott (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Jakiel Mariner (Sydney Roosters), Jack Bird (St George-Illawarra Dragons), Ryan Matterson (Parramatta Eels), Rhys Kennedy (Melbourne Storm), Pauli Pauli (Parramatta Eels), Dean Britt (Melbourne Storm).

Coach: Dean Pay.

Queensland Under 20s:

1. Valentine HOLMES (Cronulla Sharks)
2. Nene MACDONALD (Sydney Roosters)
3. Brenko LEE (Canberra Raiders)
4. Brendan ELLIOT (Sydney Roosters)
5. John FOLAU (Parramatta Eels)
6. Anthony MILFORD (Canberra Raiders)
7. Jaelen FEENEY (Newcastle Knights)
8. Lloyd PERRETT (Canterbury Bulldogs)
9. Kierran MOSELEY (Penrith Panthers)
10. Christian WELCH (Melbourne Storm)
11. Corey OATES (Brisbane Broncos)
12. Patrick MAGO (Canberra Raiders)
13. Luke BATEMAN (Canberra Raiders)
14. Cameron MUNSTER (Melbourne Storm)
15. Francis MOLO (Brisbane Broncos)
16. Brett GREINKE (Brisbane Broncos)
17. Joe OFAHENGAUE (Brisbane Broncos)
18. Jayden NIKORIMA (Brisbane Broncos)

Coach: Kevin Walters

Yep that's the one. Only change was Aaron Grey being in for Euan Aitken who pulled out because of injury.

 

[isaiah]

There's always good players coming through, but I think NSW has the better ones atm. Especially in the 2nd row - Cartwright, Moeroa, Bird, Carter and Pangai jr coming through and Cordner, Jackson, Merrin, Sims, Frizzell, James, Graham being in there early 20's!

Front row is also stacked. Already loaded with Woods, Tamou, and Klemmer in there early and mid 20's. Then having Fifita to fall back on while the likes of Paulo, Evans, Vaughan and Boyd already established themselves in the NRL. On top of that you have young guns like Lodge, Trobovic, RCG and Meehan coming through. Don't see how QLD could match that.

Maybe you could change the rules and have all 20 on the field at the same time. Yes your best 20 are better than our 20 but you can only use 9 at a time. I think we have you covered for most of the next decade.

 

[isaiah]

yeah the backs are getting older but just look at who we've got to fall back on.

Dugan
Ferguson
Hoppa

Are still young

R

Walker
Tedesco
Mansour
Mata'utia
Johnston
Reynolds
Austin
Sezer

Absolute gun backs who have already cemented themselves in 1st grade




Waqa Blake
Tom Trobojvic
Latrell Mitchell
Euan Aitken
Jack Bird
Luke Brooks

Are players who are on there way up and showing a lot of promise.

If only games were won on paper, nsw would lead 63-2 in the overall count. Do you think Jamie Lyon could have helped you win at least one of the 8 series dynasty?

 

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Maybe you could change the rules and have all 20 on the field at the same time. Yes your best 20 are better than our 20 but you can only use 9 at a time. I think we have you covered for most of the next decade.

Oh really?

Front row I only see domination by nsw, backrow the same.

Outside backs nsw again. Only place you guys could beat us is in halves maybe but doesn't look like you guys have much coming through.

 

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If only games were won on paper, nsw would lead 63-2 in the overall count. Do you think Jamie Lyon could have helped you win at least one of the 8 series dynasty?

I never rated Jamie Lyon. But I do think if certain players were chosen and certain ones not, the dynasty would have fallen earlier.

 

[wiputi82]

QLD have had many forwards who have been average in club football and lift massively for Origin (e.g Dallas Johnson and Ashley Harrison). I wouldn't be predicting years of dominance for NSW just yet.