Sir Graham Henry to assist Cappy.

[Iafeta]

I didn't mean he was a poor coach - just there are some alarming failures along the way (someone above pointed out the highlights - that's rather selective) - Wales was a dismal failure, the Lions too, his involvement with the Blues, the first World Cup...

Clearly a good coach, very overrated imo though - each to their own

It seems reactive, as someone noted - he might be the best person available, but his mentoring role at the Blues was spectacular

I may be wrong on this but as I understand it he had 22 wins, 13 losses, 1 draw for Wales. Yes, it went a bit pear shaped at the end, but look what he inherited. Just before that they'd been whalloped 96-13 by South Africa and 51 blot by France.

Reactive? The Warriors openly had been chasing a mentor for McFadden, rightly or wrongly, since the end of last season. I guess you mean in terms of timing, yet I doubt Jim Doyle is the sort of CEO he is by making such a big call without a lot of forethought and evaluation.

In terms of the Blues, it doesn't always work. Phil Jackson is a great example of that. Legend with both the Bulls and Lakers, he's in another big city market with the Knicks and not for nothing can he turn that crowd around in his leadership role (note, similarly he is not coach at the Knicks). There's always risks - sometimes things just don't click. David Moyes has been hung out to dry as a virtual leper after his experience at Old Trafford, but prior to that he was seen as a virtuoso sage leading the financially embattled Everton to consistently high performances against several supposedly superior teams. The vagueries of coaching and leadership I guess, there's many examples of it, but Graham Henry's record over his entire career is really quite extraordinary frankly and we really are picking the eyes out of it to find any real fault amongst a lot of riches.

My only concern which doesn't appear to be really mentioned anywhere is I noted they said he would be around for a month - is this just a month contract or is he on board in a a full time consultancy position for Cappy to use?

 

[ozbash]

Not a great deal of difference today..

Wonder who's next ? Waimarama Taumaunu ?

 

[Iafeta]

You really thought he'd turn this mob around in one week? LOL delusional

 

[legs 11]

its strange to me after playing through the 70's and 80's to see us take on these guys. both hart and henry had in my opinion a hatred of league, like most of the schools and headmasters. this hatred or dislike also carried a huge amount of racism, back when rugby was very white and snobby. btw who couldn't coach the all blacks to wins???
but in saying all the above union definately has better more qualified people making decisions ...after all they have a shit game but it keeps getting support and investment....so maybe he will help turn around a losing culture by sacking a few....

 

[Matua]

its strange to me after playing through the 70's and 80's to see us take on these guys. both hart and henry had in my opinion a hatred of league, like most of the schools and headmasters. this hatred or dislike also carried a huge amount of racism, back when rugby was very white and snobby.btw who couldn't coach the all blacks to wins???
but in saying all the above union definately has better more qualified people making decisions ...after all they have a shit game but it keeps getting support and investment....so maybe he will help turn around a losing culture by sacking a few....

What a load of bollocks. Henry built his reputation at school level with both brown and white players.

Don't try and make out there's an Oz style league (working class) v rugby (upper class) thing going on in NZ.

 

[ozbash]

You really thought he'd turn this mob around in one week? LOL delusional

No... I never.

Did you think I did ?

 

[ozbash]

BTW,Einstein. He's been there ( unofficially ) for nearly a month.

But, I don't think that's long enough either..

 

[Blair]

What a load of bollocks. Henry built his reputation at school level with both brown and white players.

Don't try and make out there's an Oz style league (working class) v rugby (upper class) thing going on in NZ.

Union in NZ is much more a 'people's game' than it is in Oz, much, much more in fact. However, there's still a lot of union people in NZ who look down on league, and those that play the game. Or am I out of touch? I've been living out of NZ for decades.

 

[Matua]

Union in NZ is much more a 'people's game' than it is in Oz, much, much more in fact. However, there's still a lot of union people in NZ who look down on league, and those that play the game. Or am I out of touch?

There's lots in the league fraternity who do the same - both sides of these dickheads do my head in.

Back to Henry, he can't help this organisation, they're a basket case from the top down.

 

[Blair]

There's lots in the league fraternity who do the same - both sides of these dickheads do my head in...

That's true but the union dislike of league, and those that play it, was due to snobbery I thought. For example, those posh schools, you were never getting league in there anytime soon.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

The problems we have need to be fixed by a good league head coach. A permanent one.

 

[ozbash]

The problems we have need to be fixed by a good league head coach. A permanent one.

Norma Plummer ?

 

[Rich102]

Is there any truth that the Warriors are getting Sir Alex Ferguson to mentor Sir Graham Henry to mentor Cappy?

 

[Blair]

Is there any truth that the Warriors are getting Sir Alex Ferguson to mentor Sir Graham Henry to mentor Cappy?

Fergy's a bit of a slow starter at a new club so we might add big Ron Atkinson as his mentor. In economics it's called the 'trickle down' theory.

 

[Iafeta]

BTW,Einstein. He's been there ( unofficially ) for nearly a month.

But, I don't think that's long enough either..

Why would you post immediately after the game that he didn't make much difference if you didn't expect him to have had made much difference? :crazy:

He started last Monday http:// http://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2016/05/10/familiar_face_at_vod.af_news.html

 

[ozbash]

Why would you post immediately after the game that he didn't make much difference if you didn't expect him to have had made much difference? :crazy:

He started last Monday http:// http://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2016/05/10/familiar_face_at_vod.af_news.html

Lol... get up with the play, bro...

 

[Matua]

That's true but the union dislike of league, and those that play it, was due to snobbery I thought. For example, those posh schools, you were never getting league in there anytime soon.

I don't think it's snobbery, Henry's schools weren't posh schools really as they were both state schools, they were schools with large PI populations (Kelston especially).

All it was is rugby was dominant historically for so many years so the NZRU had more sway in schools.

I think most of the provincial boys schools have league teams now, but the competition is irregular and they're made up of mostly 1st XV players.

 

[drago brelli]

Any man with the stupid 'Sir' before his name shouldn't be allowed anywhere near any league team.

 

[Blair]

I don't think it's snobbery, Henry's schools weren't posh schools really as they were both state schools, they were schools with large PI populations (Kelston especially).

All it was is rugby was dominant historically for so many years so the NZRU had more sway in schools.

I think most of the provincial boys schools have league teams now, but the competition is irregular and they're made up of mostly 1st XV players.

That's great to hear, league has come a long way since I was in high school (1980s). We wouldn't have had a league team in a million years, although in 1985 our PE teacher was from Qld, he started class with a ball under his arm and said "we're playing league today, boys."

Bless him.

 

[Rich102]

Any man with the stupid 'Sir' before his name shouldn't be allowed anywhere near any league team.

You tell the Mad Butcher!