Why should he take what's offered? It's supposed to be a contract negotiation it's not that he hates Souths if he feels he can be better compensated elsewhere. I like my company but I woudnt take nearly a 1/3 pay cut to stay there.
People say it's all about the money now but this sport was born out of player payments it's always been about money ever since 1895.
That's a pretty fair comment. I don't hold the fact that he wanted more money against him - the guy is entitled to make a living and earn as much money as he can just as much as any other player and indeed, anyone else in the workforce! In terms of the money we offered him, the club should be looking at themselves as opposed to Grevsmuhl as ultimately they were the ones who ultimately decided how much he was worth.
The move wasn't about money. He wanted out. He once was the proud wearer of the jersey but extenuating circumstances have made him leave. You're about to let Keary leave and I am not even certain Walker will stay.
I know some of you want players with pride and commitment but what good is that when your playing group is being dissected and players are volunteering their services elsewhere.
Less then 6 months ago Grevs was refused a release when asked. Now you let him walk. Not only that, he's gone to a team with back row and front row stocks and no guarantee of a start. What does that tell you?
If you don't have a strong recruitment drive by the end of September I'd be convinced Souths will be outside the 8 in 2017. This is not a premiership hangover rather poor management and blind faith that Madge knows best.
I expect the opposite responses but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. I watch every Souths game and enjoy seeing a souths team performing but the odds are stacking against you.
This whole situation tells me that Grevsmuhl and the coach never really saw eye to eye over a series of things. This whole clash between Maguire and Grevesmuhl is not a recent occurrence either. I sensed as far back as last year that Maguire never really rated or liked Grevsmuhl for whatever reason. I can recall him leaving out Grevsmuhl for key games and against opposition that his style of play would suit perfectly for players less talented than him and when Souths were struggling too. My suspicions were confirmed when we didn't offer him the money that he was after despite having room under our salary cap. Ultimately, things came to a head last week when we granted Grevsmuhl a release and it emerged that the relationship between the player and coach had completely eroded.
I do not blame anyone in particular for this whole situation; it would be hard for us outsiders to because we are not exposed to what is happening internally between player and coach. However, what we can conclude is that Maguire's coaching style didn't suit Grevsmuhl and as a result, he wanted to leave. In saying that, I think the player signing with Penrith resulted in his focus wandering at times; how can he be 100% focused on Souths when he is moving to Penrith next season? I'm not saying he didn't try, rather that the Panthers were always going to be in the back of his mind the moment he signed for them. Again, I don't blame either party too much for this. Such a predicament is a problem inherent within the NRL itself and one that needs to be eradicated fast. I have spoken before on here about this and suggested that NRL introduce a rule that no player can open negotiations with another club until the last 6 months of their current deal.
I'll be honest, some of you are surely taking the piss. He's been one of your most consistent players all year. Plays well for most of the year and had a couple "less" impactful games and you're all happy to let him go.
What you're telling me is that you've got the depth to cover his loss? You don't need a genuine first grader?
I get it that you've won a couple games and you think he's acting like a petulant child but you've leaked players consistently for two years. I don't necessarily think we need him but I can't understand the attitude some of you have.
In madge you trust. Totally understand the thought process but don't act like you haven't lost a quality player.
He is a quality player, no doubt but the gulf between player and coach in terms of understanding and expectations were too great. Sometimes these things happens. Grevsmuhl obviously didn't buy into nor did he suit Maguire's style and he left the club. What other option did we have? We can't sack the coach because what message does that send?
So much this.
In last year's 3-2-1, which is voted on by the very people in this forum the bloke came third (another player everyone supposedly hated the whole time in glenn stewart came second), he also Got a few votes this year. In the weekly match preview threads, for the first 8 rounds, almost everyone named him in the team they were hoping for that week. So for everyone to suddenly turn on him for a handful of poor games and for getting a release is bizzare. When the burgess brothers are accused of being a disruptive influence it's always dismissed as just paper talk, when the same accusations get thrown at a guy like grevsmuhl it's taken as gospel.
We don't know the full story of what's gone on behind the scenes, whether it's been a pure personality clash with the coach, whether promises weren't being kept by both parties, we don't know the full story so i won't pass judgement. Grevsmuhl was perfectly within his right to just go through the motions to collect a paycheck for the rest of the year so maybe good on him for asking for a release.
Personally I'd love to thank grevsmuhl for his good service for the last 18 months even if things did sour quite quickly over the last month
I think that is a pretty good post. To blame Grevsmuhl solely for our form slump over recent months is juvenile and wrong. Rugby League is a team game and there were another 16 players out there on the paddock with Grevs that are as equally accountable for the team's performance as he is. There can be no question over Grevsmuhl's talent and I'm very sad to see him go but I think it is the right decision. A coach is in charge of the team and you can't get rid of one every time a player has a problem with him. Moreover, if his heart is/was at Penrith then that is probably where he should be! Like I said previously, him signing with Penrith early is not a South Sydney problem nor is it a Grevsmuhl problem - it is an NRL problem!
