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[doyen]

2018 will be a tougher season for Angus as he will now be a targeted player. Next season will be a big test for him!!
He will have to overcome the second year syndrome!

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

That's very incorrect. Only stat Angus dominates in is average runs compared to most other 2nd rowers. He came 2nd in the comp.

I don't know where you got 1 mil from either. Most reports say 800k plus TPA's.

Sorry... Should have said that his stats were better once he started playing the full 80

On Burgess, I've seen it reported that it was anywhere up to 1.2mill

 

[Rabbitoad]

That's very incorrect. Only stat Angus dominates in is average runs compared to most other 2nd rowers. He came 2nd in the comp.

-Second most tackle breaks for a forward behind Taumalolo (7th overall)

-Fourth most line breaks for a forward

Paints a pretty good picture of what he adds to the team mate

 

[Scoopdog]

I'd be doing my level best to fit Doueihi[centre maybe]& Graham into the side on a permanent basis.
AR had better pull his sox up or he may find himself out of the side.
Doueihi is firstly a 5/8 but can play 1/2,centre & various other posses,I reckon. He is about 95 kgs so is big & robust enough.
A Doueihi/Walker combo in the halves would be OK with me.
I don't think Fui is anywhere near the class of Crichton who is the complete forward,IMO.
Fui is a head-down & arse-up kind of a player who runs hard but with little else in his armoury. He is a handy player,no doubt, but I think he will have to fight for his posse.I don't see Fui as a definite for our 17.I suppose,at least,he can be counted on to play hard & tough. He should never play centre as he lacks the skill & speed for the backs.If Sths are serious about improving their offence they will not play Fui or Hunt at centre!!

2018 will be a tougher season for Angus as he will now be a targeted player. Next season will be a big test for him!!
He will have to overcome the second year syndrome!

2018 will be a tougher season for Angus as he will now be a targeted player. Next season will be a big test for him!!
He will have to overcome the second year syndrome!

So once you are marked more,you then have to play smarter but mainly tougher.wee will see who plays tougher this year,fui or chrichton

 

[Souths Till I Die]

-Second most tackle breaks for a forward behind Taumalolo (7th overall)

-Fourth most line breaks for a forward

Paints a pretty good picture of what he adds to the team mate

You're actually incorrect as well. Looking at an article on nospam47 it paints a pretty good picture why Angus is not worth 800k. The article is called "what the dally m would look like if it was based on stats".

For second rowers it was based on. Average Runs, Average Run Metres, Average Tackles, Tackle Busts, Offloads and Linebreaks. This is a pretty good idea of the most dominant second rowers in the competition. It highlights the top 2 for each. Angus only features 2nd in Average runs.

Mannering dominates both tackles and run metres followed by Lowe and Gillett.

Tackle Busts is lead Hess and followed by Papalli.

Offloads lead by Ma'u followed by Papalli.

Linebreaks lead by Kaufusi followed by Hess

Whilst there's plenty of factors you have to take into account here, Ultimately Angus is far from being the most dominant second rower in the competition. Now I understand the argument that he is young and when he hits 28 he'll be the best player to ever grace the field but at the same time a lot of players have crashed and burned after breakout years.

A lot of these other second rowers are definitely not on 800k so why are we going to be the club that pays 800k for a second rower that isn't even the best second rower in the competition? The logic of Souths fans sometimes baffles me. Mostly because a few years later when our cap is full they'll wonder where it all went.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Sorry... Should have said that his stats were better once he started playing the full 80

On Burgess, I've seen it reported that it was anywhere up to 1.2mill

I understand where you're coming from but at the same time I don't think Crichton and Surgess can even be compared yet.

 

[ouryear]

You're actually incorrect as well. Looking at an article on nospam47 it paints a pretty good picture why Angus is not worth 800k. The article is called "what the dally m would look like if it was based on stats".

For second rowers it was based on. Average Runs, Average Run Metres, Average Tackles, Tackle Busts, Offloads and Linebreaks. This is a pretty good idea of the most dominant second rowers in the competition. It highlights the top 2 for each. Angus only features 2nd in Average runs.

Mannering dominates both tackles and run metres followed by Lowe and Gillett.

Tackle Busts is lead Hess and followed by Papalli.

Offloads lead by Ma'u followed by Papalli.

Linebreaks lead by Kaufusi followed by Hess

Whilst there's plenty of factors you have to take into account here, Ultimately Angus is far from being the most dominant second rower in the competition. Now I understand the argument that he is young and when he hits 28 he'll be the best player to ever grace the field but at the same time a lot of players have crashed and burned after breakout years.

A lot of these other second rowers are definitely not on 800k so why are we going to be the club that pays 800k for a second rower that isn't even the best second rower in the competition? The logic of Souths fans sometimes baffles me. Mostly because a few years later when our cap is full they'll wonder where it all went.

Well from a fan that hopes we win and not the rabbitohs....all i now is every tine Crichton gets the ball, I hink .....shit here we go.....he will CREATE a a try for Souths.

Soon to be as dangrous as GI!!

You know Artiè Betsons stats sucked......lol

 

[Rabbitoad]

You're actually incorrect as well. Looking at an article on nospam47 it paints a pretty good picture why Angus is not worth 800k. The article is called "what the dally m would look like if it was based on stats".

For second rowers it was based on. Average Runs, Average Run Metres, Average Tackles, Tackle Busts, Offloads and Linebreaks. This is a pretty good idea of the most dominant second rowers in the competition. It highlights the top 2 for each. Angus only features 2nd in Average runs.

Mannering dominates both tackles and run metres followed by Lowe and Gillett.

Tackle Busts is lead Hess and followed by Papalli.

Offloads lead by Ma'u followed by Papalli.

Linebreaks lead by Kaufusi followed by Hess

Whilst there's plenty of factors you have to take into account here, Ultimately Angus is far from being the most dominant second rower in the competition. Now I understand the argument that he is young and when he hits 28 he'll be the best player to ever grace the field but at the same time a lot of players have crashed and burned after breakout years.

A lot of these other second rowers are definitely not on 800k so why are we going to be the club that pays 800k for a second rower that isn't even the best second rower in the competition? The logic of Souths fans sometimes baffles me. Mostly because a few years later when our cap is full they'll wonder where it all went.

The stats I quoted were correct mate and you sound a bit silly quoting nospam47 like it was a rugby league textbook

 

[Pommy]

You're actually incorrect as well. Looking at an article on nospam47 it paints a pretty good picture why Angus is not worth 800k. The article is called "what the dally m would look like if it was based on stats".

For second rowers it was based on. Average Runs, Average Run Metres, Average Tackles, Tackle Busts, Offloads and Linebreaks. This is a pretty good idea of the most dominant second rowers in the competition. It highlights the top 2 for each. Angus only features 2nd in Average runs.

Mannering dominates both tackles and run metres followed by Lowe and Gillett.

Tackle Busts is lead Hess and followed by Papalli.

Offloads lead by Ma'u followed by Papalli.

Linebreaks lead by Kaufusi followed by Hess

Whilst there's plenty of factors you have to take into account here, Ultimately Angus is far from being the most dominant second rower in the competition. Now I understand the argument that he is young and when he hits 28 he'll be the best player to ever grace the field but at the same time a lot of players have crashed and burned after breakout years.

A lot of these other second rowers are definitely not on 800k so why are we going to be the club that pays 800k for a second rower that isn't even the best second rower in the competition? The logic of Souths fans sometimes baffles me. Mostly because a few years later when our cap is full they'll wonder where it all went.

They will demand richo falls on his sword.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

The stats I quoted were correct mate and you sound a bit silly quoting nospam47 like it was a rugby league textbook

Stats may of been correct but they don't really reiterate the point that Angus is worth 800k. I normally don't read any of nospam47' stuff but stats don't lie and I thought it was a very interesting article. I guess facts are silly..

Although I will admit the tackle breaks stat was completely wrong by the article. Angus is the leading Average tackle breaker. I don't really think this statistic is as important as others but I'll admit it's wrong.

 

[Travitoh]

If we get Angus for around that $850k mark then compared to other forwards in the game and within our own team, we're getting a bargain tbh.

Angus stats last year were better than Sam's in all bar offloads and Sam is reportedly on around $1mill.

The strong word is that Sam registers $800k towards the cap as that is what the NRL valued him at when he returned from union. He was going to pick up his previous contract at $650k but the league wouldn't allow it.

$850k towards the cap is ridiculous money for a second rower yet to really play a full season. $850k towards the cap is huge money for a second rower full stop.
If a club is happy to pay that much for him then all the best Angus, i just hope it isn't us.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Well from a fan that hopes we win and not the rabbitohs....all i now is every tine Crichton gets the ball, I hink .....shit here we go.....he will CREATE a a try for Souths.

Soon to be as dangrous as GI!!

You know Artiè Betsons stats sucked......lol

I think Angus is an extremely dangerous player with the potential to go to places that most players can't, but I don't understand why he's worth more than every other second rower in the game and even some locks. There's countless players out there that haven't backed up after breakout years.

I don't want him to stay at Souths because we offered him our whole salary cap and then 3 years later his impact is completely minimal because he's targeted by the opposition in defence.

 

[Travitoh]

Is Coen Hess, an origin rep, worth $850k? Wade Graham who has represented Australia? What about Tohu Harris who is a NZ international and premiership winner?
Crichton is a very good player but people are massively over rating him.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Is Coen Hess, an origin rep, worth $850k? Wade Graham who has represented Australia? What about Tohu Harris who is a NZ international and premiership winner?
Crichton is a very good player but people are massively over rating him.

People probably think we hate Crichton lol. I actually love him. I hope he stays but far out our salary cap was already f**ked recently, I hope we're smart about it.

 

[Travitoh]

People probably think we hate Crichton lol. I actually love him. I hope he stays but far out our salary cap was already f**ked recently, I hope we're smart about it.

He is an amazing player who I've thought highly of since his debut. I do hope he stays but not if we overpay.
If we have to overpay to keep him, then does he really want to stay?
End of the day, I'll show loyalty to players who show loyalty to South Sydney.

 

[Dogmatix]

Going into Rd 26 Angus Crichton was ranked No 1 in the entire NRL for the NRL fantasy points tally. He did not play in Rd 26 so would have been overtaken by a few players

Now these fantasy scores don't tell you everything but they are a good rough guide to a player's contribution. For Crichton to be scoring more points than any other player in the game up in only his 2nd season tells you how valuable a player he is and will be in the future

Souths should be paying this guy whatever they need to. Nobody knows if he is worth 750K, 850K, 950K or even 1050K. His exact value is impossible to determine. However he is high quality and young so Souths should pay whatever price they have to

If Souths lose Crichton it will be the reverse of Asotasi arriving for the 2007 season

 

[Souths Till I Die]

Going into Rd 26 Angus Crichton was ranked No 1 in the entire NRL for the NRL fantasy points tally. He did not play in Rd 26 so would have been overtaken by a few players

Now these fantasy scores don't tell you everything but they are a good rough guide to a player's contribution. For Crichton to be scoring more points than any other player in the game up in only his 2nd season tells you how valuable a player he is and will be in the future

Souths should be paying this guy whatever they need to. Nobody knows if he is worth 750K, 850K, 950K or even 1050K. His exact value is impossible to determine. However he is high quality and young so Souths should pay whatever price they have to

If Souths lose Crichton it will be the reverse of Asotasi arriving for the 2007 season

Yeah I played fantasy and Crichton was fantastic, but that was mostly due to his tackle breaking ability. Since he broke so many tackles he ended up dominating fantasy stats. This is exactly like Tedesco. They're both the best in their positions for fantasy but they're not exactly the best players in their positions.

 

[Rabbitoad]

Stats may of been correct but they don't really reiterate the point that Angus is worth 800k. I normally don't read any of nospam47' stuff but stats don't lie and I thought it was a very interesting article. I guess facts are silly..

Although I will admit the tackle breaks stat was completely wrong by the article. Angus is the leading Average tackle breaker. I don't really think this statistic is as important as others but I'll admit it's wrong.

You tried to say I was "actually incorrect" and quoted nospam47' opinion as your proof of how to determine a players worth.

Also,
1-You don't think tackle busts and line breaks are relevant in terms of evaluating second rowers? Who's primary job in attack is to punch holes in around the fringes of the ruck? Wow

2-You're making an investment in the player. Are you really willing to lose the player he'll be in 2/3 years because you weren't willing to pay mild overs to him now?

If so, I'm glad you don't run our recruitment

And
3- It's an open market. He's worth whatever a club, ours or any others are willing to pay him. nospam47 opinion pieces don't mean shit in contract talks

 

[Souths Till I Die]

You tried to say I was "actually incorrect" and quoted nospam47' opinion as your proof of how to determine a players worth.

Also,
1-You don't think tackle busts and line breaks are relevant in terms of evaluating second rowers? Who's primary job in attack is to punch holes in around the fringes of the ruck? Wow

2-You're making an investment in the player. Are you really willing to lose the player he'll be in 2/3 years because you weren't willing to pay mild overs to him now?

If so, I'm glad you don't run our recruitment

And
3- It's an open market. He's worth whatever a club, ours or any others are willing to pay him. nospam47 opinion pieces don't mean shit in contract talks

There are so many things wrong with your statement. Just because I'm quoting sporting news doesn't make the argument invalid. It's an article based purely on stats. You're completely ignorant and a fair bit arrogant. I was wrong on saying you're incorrect about the stats but I genuinely thought you were.

I do think line breaks are important. Can you please quote me where I said they weren't?! Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story though. It is also well known that the tackle Busts stat isn't very accurate. It is a subjective statistic. (Which destroys the purpose of statistics). Somebody making a shit attempt at a tackle can count as a tackle bust for the opposition player.

800k is mild overs? Jesus Christ I'm glad you're not running recruitment...

No second rower is worth 800k. I don't have to argue this point it's a fact. No second rower in the game (excluding locks) is earning that kind of money.

 

[Rabbits20]

There are so many things wrong with your statement. Just because I'm quoting sporting news doesn't make the argument invalid. It's an article based purely on stats. You're completely ignorant and a fair bit arrogant. I was wrong on saying you're incorrect about the stats but I genuinely thought you were.

I do think line breaks are important. Can you please quote me where I said they weren't?! Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story though. It is also well known that the tackle Busts stat isn't very accurate. It is a subjective statistic. (Which destroys the purpose of statistics). Somebody making a shit attempt at a tackle can count as a tackle bust for the opposition player.

800k is mild overs? Jesus Christ I'm glad you're not running recruitment...

No second rower is worth 800k. I don't have to argue this point it's a fact. No second rower in the game (excluding locks) is earning that kind of money.

So you don't think Cordner is on 800k????

I bloody well think he is. Origin captain and international player......

It will take 700-750 for us to have a chance of keeping Angus....

I hope 700k and TPA's on the side boosting it up a bit.....;


My main concern is haven't you heard the Roosters are trying to offload Napa who is on 700k there apparently!!!!! The Roosters would have to pay part of that to Parra....

Imo Easts are scheming and want to do everything they can to snag out Angus from us........ watch this space I say........ typical Easts......

When Angus played 80mins for us his impact on the field was enormous..... he will be a marked man but I expect him to still have pretty bloody decent stats.......