Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[franklin2323]

Cam will lean on Gus, Brandy, Royce and others, I wouldn’t have a problem with giving him a shot next year. Better than bringing in a first time coach from another club.

You won't get them every week from Nov on though. Things like how to set out a pre season and stuff like that is why we need an experienced coach

 

[hindy111]

Wadell is off to dragons rumours sre

 

[hindy111]

Would you prefer Marty or Merrin or Tamou?
Your two big signings are hardly worth the coin. Good players but that is it.
Napa is same level as them. Marty is elite at moment. Problem is age and how many years will he remain elite. Behind Taoumolo I reckon he is most destructive prop in game. Id have George Burgess,Fafita,Klemmer,Tapau,Sam Burgess,Taoumolo,Vaughn as the best middle forwards in game . JWH has slipped and so has the Storm guy Bromwich. RCG is good but not in the top tier of middle forwards. He is one level below.

 

[hindy111]

I for one would be nervous if eels paid Marty his 750k. Not for 2019 or 2020 but the year or 2 after . He would be asking for 3yrs and maybe 4......
And eels have a habbit of topping up guys retirements.
Scott,Watmough,MJ.......

 

[betcats]

You won't get them every week from Nov on though. Things like how to set out a pre season and stuff like that is why we need an experienced coach

How do you know that? That's a guess.


What experienced coach? All the experienced coaches that are available have been fired or not wanted at their last jobs.

 

[franklin2323]

How do you know that? That's a guess.


What experienced coach? All the experienced coaches that are available have been fired or not wanted at their last jobs.

Royce aside none are on the payroll how much time would you donate to such things. The new rules make it harder to have huge support staff

Isn't Ivan coming in 2021? If that is the case. Bennett, Des, Maguire all are fine for short term. It is different if Ivan re-signs though

 

[betcats]

Royce aside none are on the payroll how much time would you donate to such things. The new rules make it harder to have huge support staff

Isn't Ivan coming in 2021? If that is the case. Bennett, Des, Maguire all are fine for short term. It is different if Ivan re-signs though

Well Ivan is the one I'd like but everyone else seems against that idea. Bennett is interesting. Des I think is done as an nrl coach, he cant operate under Gus in any event IMO, hes just another hook but better at it. Macguire is interesting but looking at how souths went last year and how they are going now its a risk. He literally ran GI into the ground, almost ended the blokes career.

Anyway I just think Cam could do it if we have a decent finals run.

 

[franklin2323]

Well Ivan is the one I'd like but everyone else seems against that idea. Bennett is interesting. Des I think is done as an nrl coach, he cant operate under Gus in any event IMO, hes just another hook but better at it. Macguire is interesting but looking at how souths went last year and how they are going now its a risk. He literally ran GI into the ground, almost ended the blokes career.

Anyway I just think Cam could do it if we have a decent finals run.

The 3 I mentioned are terrible long term coaches. They are pretty good to get the teams to the big games though and if we are just holding the position would be my picks

He does know the players. If he gets it we need to make Royce or another experienced guy an assistant. Someone who knows how to run a pre season look at the Dragons went to hard to early

 

[herbert henry1908]

Lol oh no FFS! Name an experienced coach we can realistically get who can coach effective structures, maintain on and off field discipline and keep the playing group happy and motivated?

Youre naming the wet dream of coaches and demanding the club go and hire them. There’s only one coach like that and he’s not coming to penrith. The closest thing available is bennett and he just finished below us.

Our best chance at getting a Bellamy like coach is a young new coach, every experienced coach available has already been fired or let go from a previous job ie they weren’t good enough.

I’d like the club to go out a sign an experienced hooker who can manage the game like cam smith and take off running like Isaac Luke in his prime, it’s not going to happen tho and I won’t whinge when it doesn’t.

You know who the experienced coaches that are available, pick one who can do what you are describing or get over it.

I personally think Ivan is the guy, I always have. I don’t think even bellamy gets as far in 2014 as Ivan managed too but that’s just my opinion. But if Ivan’s not available give Cam a go, or get bennett.

Betcats, you’ve totally misinterpreted my original post. But that’s not new for you, you’ve done it to me and others before.


My original post wasn’t suggesting we need someone with the ultimate level of experience & know how, it was that we needed someone *more* experienced than Ciraldo. I literally quoted a post and said “someone else”.

I would take a myriad of options over Ciraldo

Bennett
Cleary
McGuire
Jason Demetriou (not experienced at FG level, but much more experience than Ciraldo overall)

 

[betcats]

The 3 I mentioned are terrible long term coaches. They are pretty good to get the teams to the big games though and if we are just holding the position would be my picks

He does know the players. If he gets it we need to make Royce or another experienced guy an assistant. Someone who knows how to run a pre season look at the Dragons went to hard to early

If it was just a one or two year appointment Macguire could be the go. Long term now way for mine.

 

[betcats]

Betcats, you’ve totally misinterpreted my original post. But that’s not new for you, you’ve done it to me and others before.


My original post wasn’t suggesting we need someone with the ultimate level of experience & know how, it was that we needed someone *more* experienced than Ciraldo. I literally quoted a post and said “someone else”.

I would take a myriad of options over Ciraldo

Bennett
Cleary
McGuire
Jason Demetriou (not experienced at FG level, but much more experience than Ciraldo overall)

Bennett and Cleary yes.

Demetriou is just as big of a risk as Cam if not more so. Cam knows the players, he literally coached most of them in the juniors, they already see him as a figure of authority and he knows how to get the best out of them or at least he did in NYC. Hiring a rookie over Ciraldo is a bigger risk that ciraldo imo.

Demetriou is just a name that has been thrown around for years, what style of coach is he? how do his teams play?

McGuire long term is a big NO from me.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Cam will lean on Gus, Brandy, Royce and others, I wouldn’t have a problem with giving him a shot next year. Better than bringing in a first time coach from another club.

Jason Demetriou has been a coach for 8 years, been the head coach at Keighley, Northern Pride & Illawarra cutters. He won two minor premierships in the Queensland cup, 2014 QLD grand final & the inaugural state championship. When he moved to the Illawarra cutters he was named NSW cup coach of the year. He’s also been an assistant coach with the cowboys & broncos.

How is Ciraldo a better option than a guy with this resume?

 

[herbert henry1908]

Bennett and Cleary yes.

Demetriou is just as big of a risk as Cam if not more so. Cam knows the players, he literally coached most of them in the juniors, they already see him as a figure of authority and he knows how to get the best out of them or at least he did in NYC. Hiring a rookie over Ciraldo is a bigger risk that ciraldo imo.

Demetriou is just a name that has been thrown around for years, what style of coach is he? how do his teams play?

McGuire long term is a big NO from me.

See my post above.

A guy with a resume as impressive as Demetriou’s is not a big a risk as Ciraldo.

The only benefit Ciraldo has over Demetriou is familiarity, and I don’t particularly put much stock in this. If players can only respond to a coach they know that doesn’t speak highly of their mental strength.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Jason Demetriou

2011 - Gains promotion for Keighley to Championship
2012 - continues coaching Keighley to over 60% win record
2013 - coaches Northern Pride to minor premiership in Queensland cup
2014 - wins minor premiership for northern pride, QLD cup GF & State championship game V NSW cup champions. Overall win record of 70% at northern pride.
2015- Cowboys assistant coach in their first premiership
2016- Coaches Illawarra Cutters to their first premiership & wins the state championship again. Named NSW cup coach of the year.
2017 & 2018 - Assistant coach Brisbane Bronocs


Ciraldo did well as U20’s coach for the panthers, but his resume is nowhere near as impressive as Demetriou who has experience with a number of clubs and has been successful at pretty much every one.

 

[Black Magik]

Demetriou is our Brennan.

Deserves a first grade shot, will apply for first grade coach positions but is very untested.

 

[Fangs]

Jason Demetriou

2011 - Gains promotion for Keighley to Championship
2012 - continues coaching Keighley to over 60% win record
2013 - coaches Northern Pride to minor premiership in Queensland cup
2014 - wins minor premiership for northern pride, QLD cup GF & State championship game V NSW cup champions. Overall win record of 70% at northern pride.
2015- Cowboys assistant coach in their first premiership
2016- Coaches Illawarra Cutters to their first premiership & wins the state championship again. Named NSW cup coach of the year.
2017 & 2018 - Assistant coach Brisbane Bronocs


Ciraldo did well as U20’s coach for the panthers, but his resume is nowhere near as impressive as Demetriou who has experience with a number of clubs and has been successful at pretty much every one.

They're certainly not the same, but Griffin did come with 'good' references from Brisbane according to Gus...

That was an absolute train wreck. We got a dud.

 

[betcats]

Jason Demetriou has been a coach for 8 years, been the head coach at Keighley, Northern Pride & Illawarra cutters. He won two minor premierships in the Queensland cup, 2014 QLD grand final & the inaugural state championship. When he moved to the Illawarra cutters he was named NSW cup coach of the year. He’s also been an assistant coach with the cowboys & broncos.

How is Ciraldo a better option than a guy with this resume?

Ive already answered that.

Read it again.

FFS!

lol.

 

[betcats]

They're certainly not the same, but Griffin did come with 'good' references from Brisbane according to Gus...

That was an absolute train wreck. We got a dud.

Dean Pay and Scott Seibold have done wonderful jobs this year, none of them can touch Demetrious resume. Hiring the the rookie with the best resume doesn't mean your getting a good coach. Ill take the guy we know(assuming we a decent showing in the finals).

 

[herbert henry1908]

They're certainly not the same, but Griffin did come with 'good' references from Brisbane according to Gus...

That was an absolute train wreck. We got a dud.

Griffin came with good references from Brisbane, Demetriou comes with good references from 4 or 5 clubs.

To me when someone has sustained success over 8 years it’s worth looking at him.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Ive already answered that.

Read it again.

FFS!

lol.

Dude.

I was typing that up when you posted your response, look at the time stamps.

And your answer was rubbish. You totally ignored Demetriou’s excellent record.


Anyone who looks at Ciraldo’s & Demetriou’s record side by side and still maintains that Demetriou is just as a big a risk has NFI.